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WNYH goes Korean again
- Thread starter BlastFromThePast
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WHO CARES?? The "station" is over!
MarcB said:
I checked in with the station this morning from 7:00-7:20 and indeed the format was changed. To Starcastle, whether or not the station "is over" or not, what will be missed was a more interesting and adventurous oldies playlist. Not the safe 250-400 songs commonly played on classic hits outlets like B103 and CBS-Fm but a more "Jack" style approach to the format where one never quite knew what to expect next.
The station isnt over from dropping the oldies, really I should have said that, the station has never been right, and that falls on the Doc.
Didnt he get ownership of that place from someone who owed him money??
Didnt he get ownership of that place from someone who owed him money??
The owner of this radio station should be forced to give up ownership.
I have had dealings with him and I want to tell all listeners, and loyal fans of the Oldies on WNYH, why this station has failed, and it has nothing to do with the music.
The man refused to subscribe to Arbitron; which is the rating service that ranks listener preferences and based on having a good sized listenership, is the measurement that makes decisions concerning where to buy radio advertising for clients and their advertising agencies possible. He refused to spend the money on this necessary investment in operations. If he had done that, this could have been an all music station with regular 10, 30 and 60 second commercials; not 15 minutes of non-music infomercials to try to pay the bills.
When a bumper sticker promotional giveaway was suggested to get people who weren't yet listeners to give it a listen, that expenditure was rejected by this owner.
The station is licensed by the F.C.C. to broadcast 25,000 watts of transmitter power and the owner; once again, "cheaped-out" and decided it was too much of an electricity bill, so he ran it at 5,000 watts.
Just to give "real" New York radio listeners an idea of what 25,000 watts means; WABC 77MusicRadio, transmitted at 50,000 watts and was heard at night in 28 states besides New York and in the '60's when the Good Guys at 570 WMCA were # 1 in all 5 boroughs and wherever their 5,000 watt signal was heard, WABC was #1 in all the other areas WMCA couldn't be heard and subsequently, WABC outlasted WMCA because of that large signal.
WNYH's 5,000 watt signal is heard in Long Island, Connecticut, Queens, The Bronx, parts of New Jersey and with all 25,000 watts and that great Oldies format, WNYH was probably #1 where it was heard and certainly #1 if all 25,000 watts had been used and if the owner had subscribed to Arbitron; but alas, the owner; Dr. Richard Yoon, a urologist, has his head up his butt, maybe because his profession is to have his hand up yours.
How do you say "idiot" in Korean? Dr. Richard Yoon.
I have had dealings with him and I want to tell all listeners, and loyal fans of the Oldies on WNYH, why this station has failed, and it has nothing to do with the music.
The man refused to subscribe to Arbitron; which is the rating service that ranks listener preferences and based on having a good sized listenership, is the measurement that makes decisions concerning where to buy radio advertising for clients and their advertising agencies possible. He refused to spend the money on this necessary investment in operations. If he had done that, this could have been an all music station with regular 10, 30 and 60 second commercials; not 15 minutes of non-music infomercials to try to pay the bills.
When a bumper sticker promotional giveaway was suggested to get people who weren't yet listeners to give it a listen, that expenditure was rejected by this owner.
The station is licensed by the F.C.C. to broadcast 25,000 watts of transmitter power and the owner; once again, "cheaped-out" and decided it was too much of an electricity bill, so he ran it at 5,000 watts.
Just to give "real" New York radio listeners an idea of what 25,000 watts means; WABC 77MusicRadio, transmitted at 50,000 watts and was heard at night in 28 states besides New York and in the '60's when the Good Guys at 570 WMCA were # 1 in all 5 boroughs and wherever their 5,000 watt signal was heard, WABC was #1 in all the other areas WMCA couldn't be heard and subsequently, WABC outlasted WMCA because of that large signal.
WNYH's 5,000 watt signal is heard in Long Island, Connecticut, Queens, The Bronx, parts of New Jersey and with all 25,000 watts and that great Oldies format, WNYH was probably #1 where it was heard and certainly #1 if all 25,000 watts had been used and if the owner had subscribed to Arbitron; but alas, the owner; Dr. Richard Yoon, a urologist, has his head up his butt, maybe because his profession is to have his hand up yours.
How do you say "idiot" in Korean? Dr. Richard Yoon.
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MickeyD
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rtmusic said:
A form of idiot is "hillaylay" <SP> (like ukelele) it means more like crazy. The station on 1660 does pretty well the Koreans in North Jersey listen to it. My wife listens to it to find out what is going on back home on the "flip side". 740 does well on the Jersey shore in Monmouth county I listen toit occasionally along wih WALK from LI.
Thank you MickeyD for telling me how to say "idiot" or "more than crazy" in Korean, but the rest of your post seems to be saying a Korean language programming format has validity and audience, in defense of the format change at WNYH from Oldies to Korean.
I disagree.
The vast majority of listeners and potential listeners to that station are English speaking; even if English is a second language and I could even understand a Korean language format with the American and English Oldies but who in their right mind takes a 25,000 watt station on Long Island and narrowcasts to only Korean speaking people; who in order to live in New York or New Jersey, have to speak English in an English speaking country in 2 adjacent English speaking states or never be able to join the rest of the population.
The goal for any mass media outlet is to gather the most amount of audience to make advertisers feel their message will be heard by the most people the station's entertainment format can generate.
Put in the reverse of what has happened at WNYH, it would be like an all English speaking format broadcasting in the countries of North or South Korea; not enough audience for the format; a bad percentage risk.
Dr Yoon= Kim Jung "I'llin"
I disagree.
The vast majority of listeners and potential listeners to that station are English speaking; even if English is a second language and I could even understand a Korean language format with the American and English Oldies but who in their right mind takes a 25,000 watt station on Long Island and narrowcasts to only Korean speaking people; who in order to live in New York or New Jersey, have to speak English in an English speaking country in 2 adjacent English speaking states or never be able to join the rest of the population.
The goal for any mass media outlet is to gather the most amount of audience to make advertisers feel their message will be heard by the most people the station's entertainment format can generate.
Put in the reverse of what has happened at WNYH, it would be like an all English speaking format broadcasting in the countries of North or South Korea; not enough audience for the format; a bad percentage risk.
Dr Yoon= Kim Jung "I'llin"
B
bub
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wgliradio said:
Provided you can find a field agent who will bother to do an inspection.
rtmusic said:
That could be used as the basis for a "petition to deny" when the license is up for renewal, if what you're saying is true.
neo11 said:This station almost seems to be the radio version of "U62" from the ever-classic movie UHF, whose ownership, in fact, changed hands during a poker game. Except, of course, the programming is not nearly as fun
Isn't that pretty much what's going on in today's radio?
starcastle said:
Maybe he won it in a scratch game of golf. Best ball.
I'm not knowledgeable concerning the F.C.C.'s rules concerning power usage and whether this is a possible wedge to deny renewal, but it sure will grab the attention of the radio corporation sharks, who own everything except my toilet seat and whose programming for the most part is what's below my toilet seat.
Let's talk about the biggest problem WNYH has, besides the lack of a visionary owner; a humongous Canadian signal that blankets all 740 AM signals throughout the Northeastern region of the U.S at night.
I was told from the owner himself; if all the 740's petition the F.C.C. about this, the U.S. government would put pressure on the Canadian government to either block the signal from interrupting U.S. signals on 740 with some form of directional restrictions and however it's done, end the problem.
The point is, WNYH is licensed to be a 24 Hour, 25,000 watt Giant, and what has happened to this killer potential goldmine is:
1. Religious programming ALL DAY Sunday when every potential listener is on their weekend and the station has their biggest potential listenership and the ability to build following and audience just by giving you great music all day long. Didn't happen.
The idea of separation of Church and State means if I want hear about Jesus, Moses, Buddha, or Mohammed, it shouldn't be on the same station I want to hear about Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave and Badfinger.
Any good radio stategist would realize if you've given up the idea of broacasting in the evening because of the behemoth Canadian signal, what normal person would give up all day Sunday to get the message across to everyone who is not at work this day to build audience?
2. Wouldn't you think if The Force has been with you, (the F.C.C.) and dealt you a 25,000 watt, 24 hour license, you would spend all your waking time gathering up all the 740's affected by the Canadian signal, and take the ball into your court and get an agreement from all 740's to let you represent them at the F.C.C. to petition the Canadian radio regulatory body to get this problem solved? Duh!
3. It's 2009 going on 2010. I thought Bill Clinton was a great President, except for de-regulating radio making it legal for 1 corporation to be allowed to own every signal they can afford in any given market. The result has been similar, mediocre music programming in all genres and a complete and total unawareness of local music hits played when these songs were new; now sitting there as unplayed Oldies, eliminating all local color to the music programming and a basic turn-off or entertainment disconnect ; depending on your generational vocabulary, to time and place.
As an example in the New York market: In 1984, when WPLJ had been veering toward a Top 40 CHR format because Z100 had really taken off, they played a great record by The Monroes- "What Do All The People Know".
No one in New York radio has played it since because it didn't become a big hit and all the "Corporate" radio owners; including Sirius and XM, aren't from New York and yet, like WNYH, the PEOPLE, AKA, your friggin' audience, knows it, loves it and says, "Oh yeah!, I remember that! It was the mid 80's and I just came back from.... Memories, baby, not the same 150 rotated obvious things like hearing "Do Wah Ditty" and "Brown Eyed Girl" everyday and never hearing "Pretty Flamingo" and "Jackie Wilson, Said" from the same 2 artists.
In conclusion, (for now, because how much bile can I muster up at one time for how crappy radio is everywhere; not to mention the current music scene, one of these big corporations will buy WNYH, and sort-of do the right thing with the wrong music and once again miss the mark with the New York area audience.
For all of you who loved the "not-your-average-Oldies-Mix" from WNYH, twice around, already; the wonderful music programmer is a lovely lady originally from Brooklyn, living on Long Island, who knows what 77 WABC Musicradio, WMCA Good Guys, Murray The K and Frankie Crocker's WBLS means to all of us who lived through great New York radio and the music that gets to us. As Odyssey once said in 1977, she's a "Native New Yorker". That's the point.
New York Radio Listeners Unite!
Throw these corporations outta here and back to Dallas or resign yourself to fire-up "My Juanita", "Pulling Mussels From A Shell" & "Tell Her No" on your iPod with an adapter to plug into your cigarette lighter and plant a chia-pet in the empty cavity of what used to be your radio.
Let's talk about the biggest problem WNYH has, besides the lack of a visionary owner; a humongous Canadian signal that blankets all 740 AM signals throughout the Northeastern region of the U.S at night.
I was told from the owner himself; if all the 740's petition the F.C.C. about this, the U.S. government would put pressure on the Canadian government to either block the signal from interrupting U.S. signals on 740 with some form of directional restrictions and however it's done, end the problem.
The point is, WNYH is licensed to be a 24 Hour, 25,000 watt Giant, and what has happened to this killer potential goldmine is:
1. Religious programming ALL DAY Sunday when every potential listener is on their weekend and the station has their biggest potential listenership and the ability to build following and audience just by giving you great music all day long. Didn't happen.
The idea of separation of Church and State means if I want hear about Jesus, Moses, Buddha, or Mohammed, it shouldn't be on the same station I want to hear about Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave and Badfinger.
Any good radio stategist would realize if you've given up the idea of broacasting in the evening because of the behemoth Canadian signal, what normal person would give up all day Sunday to get the message across to everyone who is not at work this day to build audience?
2. Wouldn't you think if The Force has been with you, (the F.C.C.) and dealt you a 25,000 watt, 24 hour license, you would spend all your waking time gathering up all the 740's affected by the Canadian signal, and take the ball into your court and get an agreement from all 740's to let you represent them at the F.C.C. to petition the Canadian radio regulatory body to get this problem solved? Duh!
3. It's 2009 going on 2010. I thought Bill Clinton was a great President, except for de-regulating radio making it legal for 1 corporation to be allowed to own every signal they can afford in any given market. The result has been similar, mediocre music programming in all genres and a complete and total unawareness of local music hits played when these songs were new; now sitting there as unplayed Oldies, eliminating all local color to the music programming and a basic turn-off or entertainment disconnect ; depending on your generational vocabulary, to time and place.
As an example in the New York market: In 1984, when WPLJ had been veering toward a Top 40 CHR format because Z100 had really taken off, they played a great record by The Monroes- "What Do All The People Know".
No one in New York radio has played it since because it didn't become a big hit and all the "Corporate" radio owners; including Sirius and XM, aren't from New York and yet, like WNYH, the PEOPLE, AKA, your friggin' audience, knows it, loves it and says, "Oh yeah!, I remember that! It was the mid 80's and I just came back from.... Memories, baby, not the same 150 rotated obvious things like hearing "Do Wah Ditty" and "Brown Eyed Girl" everyday and never hearing "Pretty Flamingo" and "Jackie Wilson, Said" from the same 2 artists.
In conclusion, (for now, because how much bile can I muster up at one time for how crappy radio is everywhere; not to mention the current music scene, one of these big corporations will buy WNYH, and sort-of do the right thing with the wrong music and once again miss the mark with the New York area audience.
For all of you who loved the "not-your-average-Oldies-Mix" from WNYH, twice around, already; the wonderful music programmer is a lovely lady originally from Brooklyn, living on Long Island, who knows what 77 WABC Musicradio, WMCA Good Guys, Murray The K and Frankie Crocker's WBLS means to all of us who lived through great New York radio and the music that gets to us. As Odyssey once said in 1977, she's a "Native New Yorker". That's the point.
New York Radio Listeners Unite!
Throw these corporations outta here and back to Dallas or resign yourself to fire-up "My Juanita", "Pulling Mussels From A Shell" & "Tell Her No" on your iPod with an adapter to plug into your cigarette lighter and plant a chia-pet in the empty cavity of what used to be your radio.
WJIB Cambridge, Mass. Another 740. Another station that has to deal with the Canadian powerhouse at nite. That being said they still operate 24/7. Daytime power 250 watts. Nighttime power 5 watts. Locally owned and listener supported. Showed up in the ratings until Boston switched to PPM. (The station doesn't encode nor do they care to). They play Big Band/Swing/Standards Music.
As for WNYH, licensed to Huntington, Long Island a city of somewhere north of 190,000 residents and you're telling me they can't support a locally run radio station? Please. Let's all chip in and buy this heap from the Korean "butt" doctor - fix the screwed up pattern. Run the station 24/7. Stream it on the internet. Broadcast local high school sports. Do remotes from different events in and around Huntington! Don't have it serve "Queens". "Queens has plenty of radio stations." And no more Korean Music and Programming.
What in the world are they running anyway? Are they trying to serve all the Koreans? It sounds like a mix of Korean Music and Korean Religious programming. (There's a radical new concept. Better than all those stations doing Spanish Religion. LOL)
As for WNYH, licensed to Huntington, Long Island a city of somewhere north of 190,000 residents and you're telling me they can't support a locally run radio station? Please. Let's all chip in and buy this heap from the Korean "butt" doctor - fix the screwed up pattern. Run the station 24/7. Stream it on the internet. Broadcast local high school sports. Do remotes from different events in and around Huntington! Don't have it serve "Queens". "Queens has plenty of radio stations." And no more Korean Music and Programming.
What in the world are they running anyway? Are they trying to serve all the Koreans? It sounds like a mix of Korean Music and Korean Religious programming. (There's a radical new concept. Better than all those stations doing Spanish Religion. LOL)
I think you are approaching this issue emotionally and borderline obnoxiously rtmusic.
Here are some rebutalls;
"Let's talk about the biggest problem WNYH has, besides the lack of a visionary owner; a humongous Canadian signal that blankets all 740 AM signals throughout the Northeastern region of the U.S at night. I was told from the owner himself; if all the 740's petition the F.C.C. about this, the U.S. government would put pressure on the Canadian government to either block the signal from interrupting U.S. signals on 740 with some form of directional restrictions and however it's done, end the problem."
I'm pretty sure this is not the case, this is an international issue and their is an international body that deals with this.
"The point is, WNYH is licensed to be a 24 Hour, 25,000 watt Giant, and what has happened to this killer potential goldmine is: 1. Religious programming ALL DAY Sunday when every potential listener is on their weekend and the station has their biggest potential listenership and the ability to build following and audience just by giving you great music all day long. Didn't happen. The idea of separation of Church and State means if I want hear about Jesus, Moses, Buddha, or Mohammed, it shouldn't be on the same station I want to hear about Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave and Badfinger."
So, in other words, if I don't like what they do, it is wrong? That's an amateur approach to posting on message boards for radio deep fans and professionals. Cmon man, grow up. And stop with the seperation of church of religion, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The biggest networks (NBC, ABC, CBS) have religious programming on Sunday Mornings. Watch any of them on Christmas morning to watch church services. And the same is true with radio.
"Any good radio stategist would realize if you've given up the idea of broacasting in the evening because of the behemoth Canadian signal, what normal person would give up all day Sunday to get the message across to everyone who is not at work this day to build audience?"
Huh?
"It's 2009 going on 2010. I thought Bill Clinton was a great President, except for de-regulating radio making it legal for 1 corporation to be allowed to own every signal they can afford in any given market. The result has been similar, mediocre music programming in all genres and a complete and total unawareness of local music hits played when these songs were new; now sitting there as unplayed Oldies, eliminating all local color to the music programming and a basic turn-off or entertainment disconnect ; depending on your generational vocabulary, to time and place."
While I agree with you, this is a complete exagerration and makes you seem ridiculous. One owner? Who owns WNYH? He owns all the other radio stations on Long Island?
"The man refused to subscribe to Arbitron; which is the rating service that ranks listener preferences and based on having a good sized listenership, is the measurement that makes decisions concerning where to buy radio advertising for clients and their advertising agencies possible. He refused to spend the money on this necessary investment in operations. If he had done that, this could have been an all music station with regular 10, 30 and 60 second commercials; not 15 minutes of non-music infomercials to try to pay the bills."
You don't have to subscribe to Arbitron to be listed in Arbitron. If you are number one in a market that is what you will get listed as in other stations books, you will just go nuts becasue YOU won't be able to use the data. But you don't have to pay Arbitron to be listed in Arbitron.
I agree that the owner didn't invest in the oldies programming, but that was filler, not what he wanted the station to be. If you disagree with his approach, well, okay, but that is what it was.
And I have always hated Bumper Stickers as an advertising device (and T-Shirts). My goodness the ratty cars and very, um, er, outside the weight norms people I have seen wearing T-Shirts from radio stations in Wal-Mart (and yes, I do shop there when effective for me). Are you really doing your station an image favor by being worn by an extremely obese lady showing he belly but the shirt says "Y-102, home of the hits!" What good is that for your station? What good is it for your station to have your bumper sticker on a ratty car or in a sports-bar urinal? I have seen that many times. I prefer where advertising where I control the time and PLACEment and that is why when I advertise the radio stations I own (and I do, but not on Long Island) so I use only cable-tv, internet and direct mail. In this case the owner of WNYH is correct.
Here are some rebutalls;
"Let's talk about the biggest problem WNYH has, besides the lack of a visionary owner; a humongous Canadian signal that blankets all 740 AM signals throughout the Northeastern region of the U.S at night. I was told from the owner himself; if all the 740's petition the F.C.C. about this, the U.S. government would put pressure on the Canadian government to either block the signal from interrupting U.S. signals on 740 with some form of directional restrictions and however it's done, end the problem."
I'm pretty sure this is not the case, this is an international issue and their is an international body that deals with this.
"The point is, WNYH is licensed to be a 24 Hour, 25,000 watt Giant, and what has happened to this killer potential goldmine is: 1. Religious programming ALL DAY Sunday when every potential listener is on their weekend and the station has their biggest potential listenership and the ability to build following and audience just by giving you great music all day long. Didn't happen. The idea of separation of Church and State means if I want hear about Jesus, Moses, Buddha, or Mohammed, it shouldn't be on the same station I want to hear about Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave and Badfinger."
So, in other words, if I don't like what they do, it is wrong? That's an amateur approach to posting on message boards for radio deep fans and professionals. Cmon man, grow up. And stop with the seperation of church of religion, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The biggest networks (NBC, ABC, CBS) have religious programming on Sunday Mornings. Watch any of them on Christmas morning to watch church services. And the same is true with radio.
"Any good radio stategist would realize if you've given up the idea of broacasting in the evening because of the behemoth Canadian signal, what normal person would give up all day Sunday to get the message across to everyone who is not at work this day to build audience?"
Huh?
"It's 2009 going on 2010. I thought Bill Clinton was a great President, except for de-regulating radio making it legal for 1 corporation to be allowed to own every signal they can afford in any given market. The result has been similar, mediocre music programming in all genres and a complete and total unawareness of local music hits played when these songs were new; now sitting there as unplayed Oldies, eliminating all local color to the music programming and a basic turn-off or entertainment disconnect ; depending on your generational vocabulary, to time and place."
While I agree with you, this is a complete exagerration and makes you seem ridiculous. One owner? Who owns WNYH? He owns all the other radio stations on Long Island?
"The man refused to subscribe to Arbitron; which is the rating service that ranks listener preferences and based on having a good sized listenership, is the measurement that makes decisions concerning where to buy radio advertising for clients and their advertising agencies possible. He refused to spend the money on this necessary investment in operations. If he had done that, this could have been an all music station with regular 10, 30 and 60 second commercials; not 15 minutes of non-music infomercials to try to pay the bills."
You don't have to subscribe to Arbitron to be listed in Arbitron. If you are number one in a market that is what you will get listed as in other stations books, you will just go nuts becasue YOU won't be able to use the data. But you don't have to pay Arbitron to be listed in Arbitron.
I agree that the owner didn't invest in the oldies programming, but that was filler, not what he wanted the station to be. If you disagree with his approach, well, okay, but that is what it was.
And I have always hated Bumper Stickers as an advertising device (and T-Shirts). My goodness the ratty cars and very, um, er, outside the weight norms people I have seen wearing T-Shirts from radio stations in Wal-Mart (and yes, I do shop there when effective for me). Are you really doing your station an image favor by being worn by an extremely obese lady showing he belly but the shirt says "Y-102, home of the hits!" What good is that for your station? What good is it for your station to have your bumper sticker on a ratty car or in a sports-bar urinal? I have seen that many times. I prefer where advertising where I control the time and PLACEment and that is why when I advertise the radio stations I own (and I do, but not on Long Island) so I use only cable-tv, internet and direct mail. In this case the owner of WNYH is correct.
First of all, radioray; owner of radio stations, un-named, and possibly, another radio owner out of touch with what the audience wants; the purpose of WNYH postings on this message board is because of the recent switch from a unique oldies format that particularly served it's New York based listeners with the all important element; great music.
I will bet my music knowledge as a 40 year veteran of the music and radio industries against yours because it's a given that all of today's American radio stations suck more than the Kardashian twins and neither makes me ***, and my concern is the music, but you have used your criticism of my posts as just that; criticisms of my posts, rather than whether WYNH knew what they were doing and understood the uniqueness of the Oldies format that the listeners loved when they ripped it off the air. I don't know what your programming is but I'm sure it isn't as unique as what was on WNYH or you would get what I've been saying. As John Sebastion once said, "It's like trying to tell a stranger about Rock 'n' Roll". My posts went right over your head.
Just to cite one example from your insulting post; I made the point if you're a daytimer by choice or circumstance, you don't lose an entire day; Sunday, to any other programming than what you're pushing all week.
You twisted that and centered your comments on networks; as you said, NBC, CBS, ABC, all who have mixed in religious programming , with what they're programming (which isn't any form of music, by the way, it's talk, and talk sounds right with any other talk).
WNYH is a 5,000 watt daytimer clogging up the music format with infomercials. Not the same as the NBC, CBS and ABC Network, is it Marconi?
When I mentioned bumper stickers, I didn't mention Tee-shirts; which you based your entire rebuttal on.
A bumper sticker on a car stuck in traffic "bumper to bumper" on the Long Island Expressway that gets you to check out a radio station and delivers on it's advertised promise, is a moving Billboard, moving through the most populated geography in the United States. And you don't believe in bumper stickers? Where are your stations, in Montana?
Lastly; the active radio listeners to WNYH would have shown up on Arbitron above many of those stations with .01; but if you don't subscribe you don't get listed; just like in the record business when Motown refused to join the RIIA, Billboard magazine never printed any Gold or Platinum certifications on any Motown albums and singles because the RIIA certification was the measurement and if your record company wasn't a member you didn't get the certification.
Do you think The Supremes, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, Martha & The Vandellas, Stevie Wonder, The Marvelettes, Smokey Robinson, The Four Tops, Gladys Knight & The Pips and The Jackson 5 never sold Gold or Platinum?
And just because your tone was so nasty and condescending to me personally that you actually said I am "borderline obnoxious" and you had to justify your importance and righteousness with the fact your are a station owner; which is usually part of the problem and not the solution, tell me the 2 hits by The Originals and the one from Bobby Taylor and The Vancouvers on Motown's affiliated labels, who wrote the Originals hits and who did the Originals back-up on one of those unreported 6 million sellers that also didn't get certified; and then tell me the labels.
Radioray you don't get it; my posts are about how the listener is not being served and the emphasis is on the music.
Next time it rains, stick your hand on your transmitter; you need to wake up.
I will bet my music knowledge as a 40 year veteran of the music and radio industries against yours because it's a given that all of today's American radio stations suck more than the Kardashian twins and neither makes me ***, and my concern is the music, but you have used your criticism of my posts as just that; criticisms of my posts, rather than whether WYNH knew what they were doing and understood the uniqueness of the Oldies format that the listeners loved when they ripped it off the air. I don't know what your programming is but I'm sure it isn't as unique as what was on WNYH or you would get what I've been saying. As John Sebastion once said, "It's like trying to tell a stranger about Rock 'n' Roll". My posts went right over your head.
Just to cite one example from your insulting post; I made the point if you're a daytimer by choice or circumstance, you don't lose an entire day; Sunday, to any other programming than what you're pushing all week.
You twisted that and centered your comments on networks; as you said, NBC, CBS, ABC, all who have mixed in religious programming , with what they're programming (which isn't any form of music, by the way, it's talk, and talk sounds right with any other talk).
WNYH is a 5,000 watt daytimer clogging up the music format with infomercials. Not the same as the NBC, CBS and ABC Network, is it Marconi?
When I mentioned bumper stickers, I didn't mention Tee-shirts; which you based your entire rebuttal on.
A bumper sticker on a car stuck in traffic "bumper to bumper" on the Long Island Expressway that gets you to check out a radio station and delivers on it's advertised promise, is a moving Billboard, moving through the most populated geography in the United States. And you don't believe in bumper stickers? Where are your stations, in Montana?
Lastly; the active radio listeners to WNYH would have shown up on Arbitron above many of those stations with .01; but if you don't subscribe you don't get listed; just like in the record business when Motown refused to join the RIIA, Billboard magazine never printed any Gold or Platinum certifications on any Motown albums and singles because the RIIA certification was the measurement and if your record company wasn't a member you didn't get the certification.
Do you think The Supremes, The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, Martha & The Vandellas, Stevie Wonder, The Marvelettes, Smokey Robinson, The Four Tops, Gladys Knight & The Pips and The Jackson 5 never sold Gold or Platinum?
And just because your tone was so nasty and condescending to me personally that you actually said I am "borderline obnoxious" and you had to justify your importance and righteousness with the fact your are a station owner; which is usually part of the problem and not the solution, tell me the 2 hits by The Originals and the one from Bobby Taylor and The Vancouvers on Motown's affiliated labels, who wrote the Originals hits and who did the Originals back-up on one of those unreported 6 million sellers that also didn't get certified; and then tell me the labels.
Radioray you don't get it; my posts are about how the listener is not being served and the emphasis is on the music.
Next time it rains, stick your hand on your transmitter; you need to wake up.
rtmusic said:
Under international treaty, Canada is allowed to operate a 50,000-watt non-directional station on 740 at Toronto. The U.S. may authorize stations on 740, but they cannot interfere with reception of the Toronto station by Canadian listeners, and they must accept any interference they may receive from the Canadian station. 690, 860, 990, 1010, and 1580 are also assigned for Canadian use by this treaty. The same treaty assigns 25 frequencies for use by 50,000-watt non-directional stations in the U.S..
Forcing CFZM (the 740 station in Toronto) to switch to directional operation would be VERY expensive. Engineers would have to be hired to design the new directional antenna. Extra towers would have to be erected. Phasing equipment would have to be designed and installed. Additional grounding wires would need to be buried under the additional towers. Quite possibly, extra land would have to be purchased if the additional towers didn't fit on the existing site.
And, they'd have to figure out what to do with the 860 station which shares 740's antenna.
The U.S. cannot force Canada to require CFZM to go directional without reopening the treaty. It is very unlikely Canada would ratify any such requirement in a new treaty unless they got something somewhere else. Maybe, the U.S. agrees to allow the Class B station on 1010 in Toronto to go non-directional - resulting in interference to WINS. Or, the U.S. agrees to prohibit nighttime IBOC operation of AM stations within 20KHz of a Canadian Clear channel. Something like that. Whatever concessions Canada might require to agree to make CFZM go directional, there's going to be a U.S. station(s) somewhere that will be hurt.
And, I think you can reasonably assume Canada would insist WNYH pay for the directional antenna installation at CFZM. (that in itself would probably cost enough to kill the deal)
WNYH is lucky to exist at all. It took significant concessions to make that frequency assignment possible.
I was going to post this last night but w9wi stole my Thunder.........
Here are a few facts:
Canada / America Agreement : http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/agree/files/can-bc/can-am.pdf
Page 32 is the Clear Channel list for Canada.
Hours of Operation :http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/srsstime?dlat=40&mlat=51&slat=4.00&dlon=73&mlon=26&slon=16.00&tzone=A
And from an earlier post....Yes the Lady from Brooklyn is lovely. ("Could you hold a Minute?")
Here are a few facts:
Canada / America Agreement : http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/agree/files/can-bc/can-am.pdf
Page 32 is the Clear Channel list for Canada.
Hours of Operation :http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/srsstime?dlat=40&mlat=51&slat=4.00&dlon=73&mlon=26&slon=16.00&tzone=A
And from an earlier post....Yes the Lady from Brooklyn is lovely. ("Could you hold a Minute?")
I am a music man who has worked with the top radio programmers when radio was everyone's passion and has been posting for the first time because of the switch from a great music format to oblivion at WNYH and based on my feelings that New York listeners are not being served musically by out-of-state corporations who have no knowledge of New York musicradio history, resulting in splintered radio ratings and virtually, nothingness Cumes, so thank you w9wi and Blast From The past for the wonderfully accurate and on-target researched information on the problems facing stations like WNYH and I hope the owner of WNYH is reading, because either he doesn't know these facts or he just lied to me one more lie when I told him I could get this station to be a money maker and he couldn't bring himself to attempt success even though he already had this wonderful music format and loyal active listeners.
Let's face it; the term Blast From The Past originates with Murray The K and a time when New York had 5 great Rock 'n' R&B radio stations, WINS, WMCA, WMGM, WWRL and WABC, along with independent shows from Jocko Henderson and Alan Fredericks. Anyone attempting great radio in the New York area has to be a student of those successes in order to understand the impact those music giants had and that the vast majority of that listening audience is still here.
Scott Shannon understood what the New York market needed when he researched changing WVNJ to Z100 while he was still down in Atlanta, so I think out of respect to Scott Shannon, the listening audience, and the memory of Rick Sklar, Frankie Crocker, Scott Muni, Alan Freed and Chuck Leonard; anyone attempting to be successful in this unique market, needs to do some radio history homework because Rick Sklar was able to achieve a 3,000,000 Cume with great music, great jingles, great imaging, great Disc Jockeys and a full-on attention to sound processing and the overall EQ and mastering of the limited AM Mono sound spectrum into one of the all-time best sounding radio stations on either AM or FM, then or since.
When WCBS-FM abandoned the Oldies format for Jack-FM; which turned out to be Jack-off FM; and then went back to CBS-FM and the same jingles; but with an abrupt switch to a "new" '70's format, (so those same geniuses who took off the greatest Oldies station America could try to keep their jobs), they managed to still be off kilter by playing the wrong records all the time.
When I hear, "I Think I Love You" by The Partridge Family, on CBS-FM now; like it's in some heavy current rotation, or some Mid-West semi- hit by Wing & A Prayer, that never made it in New York, even though their "Ease On Down The Road" and "Babyface" were played in the Disco era by the out of touch stations sinking fast by WBLS and WKTU being 100% on-target for dance music, don't the programmers there know, all those records were the schlock of their time. Why am I hearing it now in heavy rotation and too far separated fake Stereo?
At that time, when this pap was current, everyone I knew who loved music was switching the dial when The Partridge Family dribble came on, in an attempt to hear "No Matter What" by Badfinger or "Groove Me" by King Floyd, or ""Into The Mystic" by Van Morrison, or "Clean Up Woman" by Betty Wright or "World In Changes" by Dave Mason, so why does WCBS-FM's current research dictate they play The Partridge Family like it's one of the 10 most loved oldies from the '70's. How about the Stones, Al Green or The Spinners? And still they're #2 in New York because no one else is playing Hit Oldies. The true definition of Mind Boggling.
I use this example to show how dumping the original '50's & '60's Oldies mix at CBS-FM because they were afraid of an older (and richer) demo, caused them to inaccurately switch to Jack-Fm, only to drag their tail and have to do another turnaround and switch back to Oldies, but with a twist; the worst un-New York crap non-hits from the '70's.
It's like 102.7; which used to be the immortal WNEW-FM, now imaging themselves as "Not too old (CBS-FM), not to light (WLTW)... the new Fresh 102".
Yeah, why would you want to be the #1 and #2 station in New York; you're Fresh, which means boring non-rhythmic White folkie pop crap with a drum machine by another female who sound like she's 13 or a ****** manufacturer. Somebody gets paid for this???
I could go on forever, but I won't. This is my last post because what happened at WNYH, happened, and the truth is, all of American radio isn't cutting it because even hardcore iPod users like myself, have to come up for air once in a while and check out radio for what's new and worth having on the iPod, but every time I do, it's either the anaemic folkie female White no beat Pop stuff on Fresh or all beat no melody Rap garbage or over the top loudspeaker one chord monotone angry, scary Halloween Death Goth Rock or pretenders like "Kid" Rock, or some drum machine fake Latin Pop with the keyboard arpeggiator set to Endless or some "Diva" stripper who can't really sing but is willing to show lots of flesh.
The Oldies; which has to include Todd Rundgren and Stevie Wonder album cuts along with best of the 45 hits is the only sure all generations will call their radio station.
Radio people; the real music lovers; your potential listeners and most loyal fans; which will make you big bucks from local and national advertisers know who Rick Sklar is by deed everytime they hear the faint but true echo in their head, "77 WABC" and based on Arbitron countrywide, no else does.
Let's face it; the term Blast From The Past originates with Murray The K and a time when New York had 5 great Rock 'n' R&B radio stations, WINS, WMCA, WMGM, WWRL and WABC, along with independent shows from Jocko Henderson and Alan Fredericks. Anyone attempting great radio in the New York area has to be a student of those successes in order to understand the impact those music giants had and that the vast majority of that listening audience is still here.
Scott Shannon understood what the New York market needed when he researched changing WVNJ to Z100 while he was still down in Atlanta, so I think out of respect to Scott Shannon, the listening audience, and the memory of Rick Sklar, Frankie Crocker, Scott Muni, Alan Freed and Chuck Leonard; anyone attempting to be successful in this unique market, needs to do some radio history homework because Rick Sklar was able to achieve a 3,000,000 Cume with great music, great jingles, great imaging, great Disc Jockeys and a full-on attention to sound processing and the overall EQ and mastering of the limited AM Mono sound spectrum into one of the all-time best sounding radio stations on either AM or FM, then or since.
When WCBS-FM abandoned the Oldies format for Jack-FM; which turned out to be Jack-off FM; and then went back to CBS-FM and the same jingles; but with an abrupt switch to a "new" '70's format, (so those same geniuses who took off the greatest Oldies station America could try to keep their jobs), they managed to still be off kilter by playing the wrong records all the time.
When I hear, "I Think I Love You" by The Partridge Family, on CBS-FM now; like it's in some heavy current rotation, or some Mid-West semi- hit by Wing & A Prayer, that never made it in New York, even though their "Ease On Down The Road" and "Babyface" were played in the Disco era by the out of touch stations sinking fast by WBLS and WKTU being 100% on-target for dance music, don't the programmers there know, all those records were the schlock of their time. Why am I hearing it now in heavy rotation and too far separated fake Stereo?
At that time, when this pap was current, everyone I knew who loved music was switching the dial when The Partridge Family dribble came on, in an attempt to hear "No Matter What" by Badfinger or "Groove Me" by King Floyd, or ""Into The Mystic" by Van Morrison, or "Clean Up Woman" by Betty Wright or "World In Changes" by Dave Mason, so why does WCBS-FM's current research dictate they play The Partridge Family like it's one of the 10 most loved oldies from the '70's. How about the Stones, Al Green or The Spinners? And still they're #2 in New York because no one else is playing Hit Oldies. The true definition of Mind Boggling.
I use this example to show how dumping the original '50's & '60's Oldies mix at CBS-FM because they were afraid of an older (and richer) demo, caused them to inaccurately switch to Jack-Fm, only to drag their tail and have to do another turnaround and switch back to Oldies, but with a twist; the worst un-New York crap non-hits from the '70's.
It's like 102.7; which used to be the immortal WNEW-FM, now imaging themselves as "Not too old (CBS-FM), not to light (WLTW)... the new Fresh 102".
Yeah, why would you want to be the #1 and #2 station in New York; you're Fresh, which means boring non-rhythmic White folkie pop crap with a drum machine by another female who sound like she's 13 or a ****** manufacturer. Somebody gets paid for this???
I could go on forever, but I won't. This is my last post because what happened at WNYH, happened, and the truth is, all of American radio isn't cutting it because even hardcore iPod users like myself, have to come up for air once in a while and check out radio for what's new and worth having on the iPod, but every time I do, it's either the anaemic folkie female White no beat Pop stuff on Fresh or all beat no melody Rap garbage or over the top loudspeaker one chord monotone angry, scary Halloween Death Goth Rock or pretenders like "Kid" Rock, or some drum machine fake Latin Pop with the keyboard arpeggiator set to Endless or some "Diva" stripper who can't really sing but is willing to show lots of flesh.
The Oldies; which has to include Todd Rundgren and Stevie Wonder album cuts along with best of the 45 hits is the only sure all generations will call their radio station.
Radio people; the real music lovers; your potential listeners and most loyal fans; which will make you big bucks from local and national advertisers know who Rick Sklar is by deed everytime they hear the faint but true echo in their head, "77 WABC" and based on Arbitron countrywide, no else does.
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