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WNYZ transmitting in digital?

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When I was near That Big Blue Building, I heard what sounded like digital TV hash between 82-87.5, along with a pilot on 82.1. Signal strength meter showed a full signal so it wasn't static. I heard the same kind of hash near Philly and WPVI-DT (but no audio on 87.7). I wonder if WNYZ is transmitting a digital signal on channel 6.
It would actually be a great idea to transmit in digital and analog 87.7. People who use a TV antenna for digital TV reception will have Pulse 87 in the channel lineup on channel 6, right in the middle of the major networks, so that will boost exposure, like a constant commercial for Pulse 87. Of course, it will only serve parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, most of Queens, and the Bronx. But you'll have a lot more people watching TV with rabbit ears and/or a converter box.
Can anyone confirm if channel 6 is digital? Where I live, I can get WPVI-DT on TV and the audio of WNYZ in the car.
 
I live in NJ and if youre asking if Pulse 87 is in digitall,I did a rescan yesterday for my TV and Pulse is not in the digital channel lineup.I do get Pulse 87 perfectly on FM being 10 miles from NYC.Great station!
 
Nick said:
When I was near That Big Blue Building, I heard what sounded like digital TV hash between 82-87.5, along with a pilot on 82.1. Signal strength meter showed a full signal so it wasn't static. I heard the same kind of hash near Philly and WPVI-DT (but no audio on 87.7). I wonder if WNYZ is transmitting a digital signal on channel 6.
It would actually be a great idea to transmit in digital and analog 87.7. People who use a TV antenna for digital TV reception will have Pulse 87 in the channel lineup on channel 6, right in the middle of the major networks, so that will boost exposure, like a constant commercial for Pulse 87. Of course, it will only serve parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, most of Queens, and the Bronx. But you'll have a lot more people watching TV with rabbit ears and/or a converter box.
Can anyone confirm if channel 6 is digital? Where I live, I can get WPVI-DT on TV and the audio of WNYZ in the car.
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Lemme guess-Japanese FM radio?

Pilot may be from other strong signals' harmonics.
 
softmachine said:
Nick said:
When I was near That Big Blue Building, I heard what sounded like digital TV hash between 82-87.5, along with a pilot on 82.1. Signal strength meter showed a full signal so it wasn't static. I heard the same kind of hash near Philly and WPVI-DT (but no audio on 87.7). I wonder if WNYZ is transmitting a digital signal on channel 6.
It would actually be a great idea to transmit in digital and analog 87.7. People who use a TV antenna for digital TV reception will have Pulse 87 in the channel lineup on channel 6, right in the middle of the major networks, so that will boost exposure, like a constant commercial for Pulse 87. Of course, it will only serve parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, most of Queens, and the Bronx. But you'll have a lot more people watching TV with rabbit ears and/or a converter box.
Can anyone confirm if channel 6 is digital? Where I live, I can get WPVI-DT on TV and the audio of WNYZ in the car.
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Lemme guess-Japanese FM radio?

Pilot may be from other strong signals' harmonics.
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Yup, tunes down to 76.0. What explains the pilot and hash presence underground at the subway station directly beneath the Citigroup building that WNYZ transmits from if there's no overload there?
 
The latest issue of TV Technology magazine has an article about WNYZ - they are indeed putting out a DTV signal on channel 6, as well as analog audio on 87.75. I can't imagine the DTV signal gets very far at all.
 
Scott Fybush said:
The latest issue of TV Technology magazine has an article about WNYZ - they are indeed putting out a DTV signal on channel 6, as well as analog audio on 87.75. I can't imagine the DTV signal gets very far at all.
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Hmmm. Isn't it either one or the other, or is that only for full-power stations?
 
Nick said:
softmachine said:
Nick said:
When I was near That Big Blue Building, I heard what sounded like digital TV hash between 82-87.5, along with a pilot on 82.1. Signal strength meter showed a full signal so it wasn't static. I heard the same kind of hash near Philly and WPVI-DT (but no audio on 87.7). I wonder if WNYZ is transmitting a digital signal on channel 6.
It would actually be a great idea to transmit in digital and analog 87.7. People who use a TV antenna for digital TV reception will have Pulse 87 in the channel lineup on channel 6, right in the middle of the major networks, so that will boost exposure, like a constant commercial for Pulse 87. Of course, it will only serve parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, most of Queens, and the Bronx. But you'll have a lot more people watching TV with rabbit ears and/or a converter box.
Can anyone confirm if channel 6 is digital? Where I live, I can get WPVI-DT on TV and the audio of WNYZ in the car.
Click to expand...

Lemme guess-Japanese FM radio?

Pilot may be from other strong signals' harmonics.
Click to expand...
Yup, tunes down to 76.0. What explains the pilot and hash presence underground at the subway station directly beneath the Citigroup building that WNYZ transmits from if there's no overload there?
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Spurious emission, unless you can confirm audio that 'belongs' there.
 
softmachine said:
Scott Fybush said:
The latest issue of TV Technology magazine has an article about WNYZ - they are indeed putting out a DTV signal on channel 6, as well as analog audio on 87.75. I can't imagine the DTV signal gets very far at all.
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Hmmm. Isn't it either one or the other, or is that only for full-power stations?
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I would suggest it's either one or the other, but an awful lot of rules are waived for LPTVs, so maybe not...

Scott's point (with which I fully agree) is that it seems unlikely that an analog and digital signal in the same channel at the same time from the same site will get along. The analog will interfere with the digital and vice-versa. (the digital will probably get the worst of it...)

A full-power station in Albany is said to be trying the same thing. I have to suspect they'll get the same results.

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LibertyNT said:
I dont Think Digital is supposed to be on VHF-Low.
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It's certainly legal. There are three full-power digitals on channel 5 in Tennessee and a few others elsewhere in the country. There are also digital LPTVs on VHF-Low.

It's debated whether this actually works worth a darn - some areas are reporting REALLY BAD results, though here in Nashville it seems to be working fairly well.

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Nick said:
...I heard what sounded like digital TV hash between 82-87.5, along with a pilot on 82.1.
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If the carrier was in fact on 82.1 then it wasn't a DTV pilot. The DTV pilot for channel 6 is on 82.31MHz.
 
I guess "Pulse 87" is now being carried on a DTV signal on Channel 6, but it's Still on the air at 87.7, look what happened to WRGB up in Albany, it is still off the air due to the DTV signal. That was back on June 12th at 11:59 PM when it was during the middle of David Letterman when 87.7 went to static. I wonder if they can get "Pulse 87" up in Albany, they can do better.
 
I thought that in order to use the 87.7 freq. they had to transmit something on channel 6, but were granted a waiver to NOT transmit anything because of the interference it would cause to FOX 5. But once the analog was shut off, in June, the waiver expired an now must transmit somethin on channel 6. Whether thats analog or digital, I do not know.
 
shadough said:
I thought that in order to use the 87.7 freq. they had to transmit something on channel 6, but were granted a waiver to NOT transmit anything because of the interference it would cause to FOX 5. But once the analog was shut off, in June, the waiver expired an now must transmit somethin on channel 6. Whether thats analog or digital, I do not know.
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I'm kind of curious as to what "interference" their peashooter TV signal would create for a full-powered station such as Fox 5 when it was in analog. I don't think this was the issue at all...I believe that they were required to air both video and audio, but there's no FCC rule requiring the programming to be synced...thus you had test bars or infomercials on the TV signal (for all 2 people who could receive it) and Pulse 87 via the audio.

The interference concerns are also amusing when considering that in some European countries, for instance, the VHF and especially UHF dials are often jam-packed with stations, right next to each other (e.g. 21, 22, 23, etc.), all at full power, without interfering with each other.
 
WNYZ used to transmit nature scenes in analog. After going digital, it's transmitting a test pattern with a legal ID and a message to tune to 87.7. Seems like a waste of a digital transmitter, but they have to follow the FCC laws. They should start Pulse TV, show a studio cam and music videos, people would actually watch Pulse 87
 
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