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WODS now playing 80s music

Well...Mediabase has them listed as "Classic Hits" instead of "Oldies"

They avoid Zeppelin, whose last "new" song was recorded 31 years ago. Yet, they play "Jump" from Van Halen.

It's the same mentality that Classic Rock stations have to soon adopt.

The music of the target demo is no longer the Beach Boys, Beatles, and Boz Scaggs.

Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Bad Co. Thin Lizzy and the Doors are now oldies, and Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, & Poison are Classic Rock.

Shedding/growing new audience is one of the major mistakes we make as an industry. At some point, you have to accept that audience tastes change, and the things we never want to accept as being "old" have been so for a decade.

It is completely possible that your child, who graduates BC next Spring, was conceived while listening to "Sweet Child O' Mine" & their little sibling High School Senior is the product of a drunken evening spent after seeing Pearl Jam @ Axis.

We're old. So is the audience. At some point, "RubberBand Man" & "Devil With The Blue Dress" have to be replaced with "War Pigs" & "Shout @ The Devil."

It should not surprise anyone. Look at the target audience. Find their center point musically. And tailor the station accordingly. Is it really this tough?

If you're a "Rock Station" targeting P 35-54 and playing Elvis, or Mary Hopkin, IMHO you're missing. People make their musical choices beginning around age 10, and really solidify them between 15-22. For a 54 year-old, that would be 1966 at the earliest, and more than likely 1971-1978.

That's the top of the demo. If you're targeting 45 year olds, this might be somewhat shocking, but their musical center, is about 1984. That means the music of their youth, includes Sex Pistols, Clash, Quiet Riot, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Judas Priest, Scorpions, U2, The Police.

It's no longer about Wings, Badfinger, America, CCR, or KC & The Sunshine Band. The 45 year old "Rocker" thinks that stuff is moldy.

It will be interesting to see which stations choose to adapt, and which stations remain stagnant. It appears as if WODS at least sees they need to evolve. It's a gradual (but unavoidable) process.

We're finding PPM is about "listening occasions" TSL is minute bursts. To increase those "occasions," We have to meet audience expectations. If we miss, they don't tune in. What you don't play..now CAN hurt you.

If you're perceived as "too old," they won't tune in. And for a 45-year old, the Four Tops....are WAY too old.

Just one man's opinion.
 
Neanderpaul said:
It will be interesting to see which stations choose to adapt, and which stations remain stagnant. It appears as if WODS at least sees they need to evolve. It's a gradual (but unavoidable) process.

We're finding PPM is about "listening occasions" TSL is minute bursts. To increase those "occasions," We have to meet audience expectations. If we miss, they don't tune in. What you don't play..now CAN hurt you.

If you're perceived as "too old," they won't tune in. And for a 45-year old, the Four Tops....are WAY too old.

Just one man's opinion.

It isn't just the "age" of the song, but the sound and texture. I could play "I Can't Help Myself" or "Aint Too Proud To Beg" next to Billy Joel's "Uptown Girl" or "Two Hearts" from Phil Collins and it would work as "classic hits." I couldn't do that with Herman's Hermits or The Searchers - the sound & texture of their songs would scream out of place. I could play "Would I Lie To You" by Charles & Eddie on a Classic Hits station and it would fit with most of the songs. Most 40 year old women might not have grown up with "Brown Eyed Girl" on CHR/Top 40, but I doubt many would punch out if it came up in rotation. Certain songs are timeless and can fit next to anything. Now when ODS gets into the 90's...maybe might be time to say farewell to the 60's records.

Play feel good songs that can segue nicely together, and you have a winner. Brian Thomas knows what he's doing - almost every CBS Classic Hits station does great in the PPM's, and it's not by accident.
 
Neanderpaul said:
If you're targeting 45 year olds, this might be somewhat shocking, but their musical center, is about 1984. That means the music of their youth, includes Sex Pistols, Clash, Quiet Riot, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Judas Priest, Scorpions, U2, The Police.

If you are 45 years old...and you listened to the top 40 sounds in 1984 on Kiss108 and WHTT would you have heard the Scorpions, Sex Pistols, Zeppelin or Judas Priest? I don't think so.
 
Don Juannn said:
Neanderpaul said:
If you're targeting 45 year olds, this might be somewhat shocking, but their musical center, is about 1984. That means the music of their youth, includes Sex Pistols, Clash, Quiet Riot, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Judas Priest, Scorpions, U2, The Police.

If you are 45 years old...and you listened to the top 40 sounds in 1984 on Kiss108 and WHTT would you have heard the Scorpions, Sex Pistols, Zeppelin or Judas Priest? I don't think so.

You must have missed the "Rock Station" portion of my blathering.

PS..I believe WHTT did play "You Shook Me All Night Long," "You've Got Another Thing Comin'," "Rock You Like A Hurricane" and the Clash hits from Combat Rock" during their "Hit Rock Radio" days.
 
Neanderpaul said:
Don Juannn said:
Neanderpaul said:
If you're targeting 45 year olds, this might be somewhat shocking, but their musical center, is about 1984. That means the music of their youth, includes Sex Pistols, Clash, Quiet Riot, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Judas Priest, Scorpions, U2, The Police.

If you are 45 years old...and you listened to the top 40 sounds in 1984 on Kiss108 and WHTT would you have heard the Scorpions, Sex Pistols, Zeppelin or Judas Priest? I don't think so.

You must have missed the "Rock Station" portion of my blathering.

PS..I believe WHTT did play "You Shook Me All Night Long," "You've Got Another Thing Comin'," "Rock You Like A Hurricane" and the Clash hits from Combat Rock" during their "Hit Rock Radio" days.

'HTT played "*** On Feel The Noise," "Smokin' In The Boys Room," "Lovin' Every Minute Of It" and "Lay It Down," to name a few.
 
Neanderpaul said:
It's no longer about Wings, Badfinger, America, CCR, or KC & The Sunshine Band. The 45 year old "Rocker" thinks that stuff is moldy.

This 27 year old male with no wife, kids, or debt thinks that stuff is great and timeless.

Just sayin'.
 
WBOQ Beverly/Gloucester 104.9 plays a few '50s mostly '60s and '70s. But you have to live in the North Shore to get it. I guess there will come a time when real oldies will only be on the internet if not already.
 
Neanderpaul said:
Well...Mediabase has them listed as "Classic Hits" instead of "Oldies"

They avoid Zeppelin, whose last "new" song was recorded 31 years ago. Yet, they play "Jump" from Van Halen.

It's the same mentality that Classic Rock stations have to soon adopt.

The music of the target demo is no longer the Beach Boys, Beatles, and Boz Scaggs.

Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Bad Co. Thin Lizzy and the Doors are now oldies, and Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, & Poison are Classic Rock.

Shedding/growing new audience is one of the major mistakes we make as an industry. At some point, you have to accept that audience tastes change, and the things we never want to accept as being "old" have been so for a decade.

It is completely possible that your child, who graduates BC next Spring, was conceived while listening to "Sweet Child O' Mine" & their little sibling High School Senior is the product of a drunken evening spent after seeing Pearl Jam @ Axis.

We're old. So is the audience. At some point, "RubberBand Man" & "Devil With The Blue Dress" have to be replaced with "War Pigs" & "Shout @ The Devil."

Black Sabbath, Led Zep, etc. aren't oldies, they're old rock songs and really don't fit on a modern-day oldies/classic hits station any more than do the Platters or Rick Nelson.

I agree that oldies stations have to transition newer, but to me it seems that would be more 80s pop stuff like Cyndi Lauper, Wham!, Tears For Fears, Madonna, etc. Maybe some of the more melodic rock like Bon Jovi, but not the headbanger stuff.

As far as the older rock goes, maybe this means classic rock will splinter into an older-skewing format that still plays Seger, the Who, Cream, etc. and a younger-skewing format that's more into the hair bands & 90s grunge rock.
 
what should be classic hits (WODS anyway):

Prince
Madonna
Cyndi Lauper
Duran Duran
Dire Straits (the hits anyway)
Van Halen (Jump, Panama, Right Now, maybe a couple of others)
Michael Jackson
his sister Janet
Huey and the News (are on ODS)
George Michael/Wham!
Whitesnake (the 2 hits anyway)
Bon Jovi (which, for some reason, is NOT on ZLX - but NOT Motley Crue or Judas Priest)

definitely keep the biggest late 1970s Kiss 108 disco hits (those should be the oldest classic hits on WODS)

leave Zep, the Who, AC/DC, 70s Aero, and other rockers which lack a decent amount of pop credibility on ZLX (Eagles, Mac, Mellencamp, the Boss, Aero in the 80s/90s, Elton and Joel all had pop credibility)

once Back To The 80s Friday Night hits WODS, Joe Cortese should center the music more or less towards pop (New Kids, Bobby Brown) and away from rock (New Order, The Smiths, Wall Of Voodoo, Romeo Void)

That's my $0.02 worth!
 
Jimmy128 said:
Would love to hear a real oldie like "The Big Hurt" by Toni Fisher

That song was one of the first to use phasing with two tape decks running slightly out of phase with each other. I recorded some stuff in Dieter Dierks studio (Scorpions fame) in Stomoln W. Germany in 1981 and watched an engineer phase a drum part like that, was a real art, you had to slow the deck with your arm just enough to get it slightly behind the other one and play them back simultaneously with that slow swish going back and forth between speakers.
 
The song is on YouTube; you can search for it. I have done some flanging over the years. Recently via comp.; someone did an ext. remix of George Harrison's What Is Life. I saved audio from youtube then played that on Windows Media Player together with the youtube video.

Not same exact thing but once I heard a station play John Lennon's Just Like Starting Over and they had another turntable play another copy a few seconds behind. Lennon wound up having himself on backing vocals: Our life (...our life)/ Together (...together)/ etc
 
Yeah technically the first psychedelic song (1959). I read somewhere that Jimi Hendrix was so impressed with it that he used phasing on the song "Bold as Love". Technically what is used in that song is called "Phlanging". Not sure but I think John Lennon coined the phrase. Other songs "Sky Pilot" by the Animals.
 
Jimmy128 said:
Yeah technically the first psychedelic song (1959). I read somewhere that Jimi Hendrix was so impressed with it that he used phasing on the song "Bold as Love". Technically what is used in that song is called "Phlanging". Not sure but I think John Lennon coined the phrase. Other songs "Sky Pilot" by the Animals.

And "Itchycoo Park" by the Small Faces.
 
Concerning Toni Fisher's 'The Big Hurt,' I've been searching for this song after hearing it as bumper music on Art Bell's show a few years back. For some reason, I was thinking it was a Shirley Bassey number. Just on a whim, I checked out 'The Big Hurt' and was pleasantly surprised to find that it was the song I had been searching for. I'm surprised this came out in 1959, it sounds more like something from the mid to late '60s. Anyway, great song, and a big thanks to the person who mentioned it.
 
Your'e welcome. By the way, I'm not sure if I'm right or not but I remember, I think, hearing the phlange effect listening to far away 50,000 watt am radio stations at night.
 
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