More on this vast conspiracy against WOR, in an WOR null, I was getting CJRN Niagra Falls, now this is supposed to be a 2.5 KW station at night. I wonder if they're in cahoots with the Cubanos and have raised their power to half a million watts also, hmm. Cuba, now Canada, are they trying to tell us something?
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WOR interference both IBOC and Cuban
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go0d question, but I'm also wondering it it's just favourable conditions. Once every few months CJRN makes it up into Ottawa at night, but you have to null WOR to do it, and since Iboc, I've only heard it once. I can get a barely intelligible signal here in the day on the CC Radio plus, but not on any other radio. I hear Cuba every night and it hasn't sounded any different lately from how it has sounded in the past 2 and a half years I've lived here.
I also checked it out saturday night as best I could, since I was 90 miles from WGN, not 22.
I could hear, under the WGN hash, a 30-40 hz hetereodyne. Is that it?
Are the Cubans off frequency and throwing a low moan into your signal?
You could zero beat to them daily or add an automatic circuit to do that.
If you've got their audio there's not much you can do.
But if you need to "drift" to give your WOR listeners a clean signal, you should.
I could hear, under the WGN hash, a 30-40 hz hetereodyne. Is that it?
Are the Cubans off frequency and throwing a low moan into your signal?
You could zero beat to them daily or add an automatic circuit to do that.
If you've got their audio there's not much you can do.
But if you need to "drift" to give your WOR listeners a clean signal, you should.
mimo said:
I was just joking, yeah it's just conditions, nothing is any different, Cubans always make it up here especially during auroral winter nights, there's nights when they're all over the dial here. I think the 500,000 watt conspiracy is a figment of someone's imagination.
I've never heard CJRN before.
The NY IBOCers were weak tonight, like they should be, they usually blast in here like they're in my next door neighbors backyard. WINS was weak also along with WFAN and WINS, WTIC was throwing some nice hashy sidebands tonight though.
Tom Ray, I'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion that it was Cuban interference and not the 710 in Miami?
I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't be able to differentiate between one and the other unless the Radio Reloj time tones were present.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if part of the government's brokered time on 710 had an encouragement to "accidentially" forget to switch to night pattern/power. :
As much DXing as I've done and as much (or little) as I know about radio, it still fascinates me that a station in Cuba can do so much destruction in Jersey but here in rural Mississippi it's barely audible. (I hear Spanish but not enought to get a good lock on what it sounds like.)
I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't be able to differentiate between one and the other unless the Radio Reloj time tones were present.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if part of the government's brokered time on 710 had an encouragement to "accidentially" forget to switch to night pattern/power. :
As much DXing as I've done and as much (or little) as I know about radio, it still fascinates me that a station in Cuba can do so much destruction in Jersey but here in rural Mississippi it's barely audible. (I hear Spanish but not enought to get a good lock on what it sounds like.)
Wait, wait.
I thought that the HD supporters here made it plain (but definitely not CLEAR) that AM listening outside the city of license was useless and "verboten" by the HD radio gestapo.
I thought that the HD supporters here made it plain (but definitely not CLEAR) that AM listening outside the city of license was useless and "verboten" by the HD radio gestapo.
Tom Ray said:
Well, if they hear somebody nattering in Spanish under their favorite WOR talker, most folks would conclude that interference was taking place, and inform the station. But if they hear a bunch of hiss, they would likely conclude that their radio was going bad, the neighbors installed a new lamp dimmer, or any of a zillion other possible causes. They've likely encountered bad AM reception before, when driving under a power line or operating a power tool near the radio... they know it sounds like noise, and it's a local problem - not something to complain to the station about. To the uninformed, IBOC noise is indistinguishable from local noise sources.
As for mitigating the problem, why not tell the listeners to change the orientation of their AM antenna, so as to null the Cuban station? Not practical in most cases, you say? But this is exactly the technique touted in several iBiquity/NRSC reports to the FCC, claiming that it could be used to mitigate AM IBOC interference. Hmmm...
Zach said:Tom Ray, I'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion that it was Cuban interference and not the 710 in Miami?
I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't be able to differentiate between one and the other unless the Radio Reloj time tones were present.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if part of the government's brokered time on 710 had an encouragement to "accidentially" forget to switch to night pattern/power. :
As much DXing as I've done and as much (or little) as I know about radio, it still fascinates me that a station in Cuba can do so much destruction in Jersey but here in rural Mississippi it's barely audible. (I hear Spanish but not enought to get a good lock on what it sounds like.)
The station on 710 in Miami is very directional with a 6 tower array. The amount of RF put into NY from that station is negligible. The reason that the Cuban can be heard well in NJ as opposed to your location is due to the “skip zone” of the signal. You are probably too close to Cuba and so the signal is actually skipping over you. That is the simple explanation. There could be many other reasons that a signal is stronger at a different location than at your QTH.
Another explanation for the strength of the Cuban station in NYC is the over water salt path from Cuba to NYC. That really enhances the signal. When I was a kid, I spent summers on Hilton Head Island in South Carolina back in the mid 60's. The most popular station on the beach was the "Big Ape" the mighty 690 out of Jacksonville Florida.
And when I was 19 I did summer relief, including overnights and remotes, at WMID Atlantic City. I recall broadcasting three nights a week from a restaurant in Wildwood, 40 miles distant from WMID's site - at the time the Jersey Giant's graveyard frequency (1340) limited night power to 250 watts. Yet I listened off-air to a perfectly listenable signal, getting my cues from a transistor radio. And this was with co-channel WHAT Philly only 70 miles distant to the west!
And Tom, well why are you whining about your analog service getting interference from a Cuban? Just tell those folks to get a HD radio, as the Cuban interference is to the ANALOG service only, not the HD !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Side note, WQXI Atlanta on 790 has trouble with the cuban on there as well as WWNC 570 Asheville, NC with Radio Reloj. When conditions are auroral that's when the problem is worst. I rarely hear the Cuban on 710 very well in South Carolina.
Powell
Side note, WQXI Atlanta on 790 has trouble with the cuban on there as well as WWNC 570 Asheville, NC with Radio Reloj. When conditions are auroral that's when the problem is worst. I rarely hear the Cuban on 710 very well in South Carolina.
Powell
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