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Worst sounding/produced big hit
- Thread starter johnbasalla
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Kasenetz/Katz productions are all over the map in relation to quality. Some of their Buddah label output is excitingly good, but they are often not the hits. Listen to the compelling psychedelia of "Reflections From The Looking Glass" by the 1910 Fruitgum Co. on the B-Side of "Simon Says". Then they have some B-sides/album tracks that borrow musical concepts from classical music. "Mrs. Green" is one of those. Seek them out. They are worth it. On the hit side, "Indian Giver" is well produced.
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johnbasalla said:
Buddah did some good work with the groups "Smoke Ring" - No Not Much and "Elephants Memory". Joey Levine at K/K produced and sang on some great Bubblegum stuff for Buddah/Kam Sutra....
We all agree that todays music is questionable, I repeat myself included.......again I have to comment "beauty is in the age of the beholder" I can remember the day back in 1959 at the tender age of 13 when my dad commented "this rock N Roll " is crap...Glen Miller, Harry James, Tommy Dorsey, thats music".
Second story- a friend of mine same age 64, sent me a cartoon just this morning, two old farts with their pants hiked up almost up to their arms pits , looking on in disgust as two kids walk by with their pants sagging below their butts..."look at the silly teenagers with their pants hangingdown,@$%^%$#"
I just recently got rid of my 1967 Mustang convertible cause I couldn't get in and out of it anymore...and since I couldn't remember where I was going , I need a car with GPS, or what ever it's called.
oldies76 said:
Nope. The crap that dominated AM Top 40 radio in the 1960's was just as crappy as the crap dominating CHR playlists today. The only thing I'd agree with is that the really good album rock that was played on FM in the late 1960's was very, very good.
Give me a choice of the Moody Blues or Led Zepplin over any of today's crap, and I'd agree. Given a choice between crap like "Honey" or anything by the 1910 Fruitgum Company and I'll plug my ears with candle wax.
Just a quick couple of points: 1) Listening to AM Radio in the 50's through the 70's was not what it is now. The fidelity was much, much better back then thanks to the fact that the AM receivers were of much better quality. Now, the manufacturers put 'em in b/c they have to and use very poor AM receivers for the most part. And those big oval car speakers used to really sound pretty good!
2) All of our listening experiences are unique unto ourselves. You may prefer re-records to get a cleaner sound of a classic or you may not care or even notice, you just want to hear "the song."
As a former Oldies jock, I took great pains to obtain the best-sounding, cleanest version of the original mix heard on the radio when the song was popular. That meant sometimes buying re-mastered discs and sometimes it meant dubbing the original 45 from turntable to cd! Sometimes the station's GoldDisc library had the best copy but not usually!
2) All of our listening experiences are unique unto ourselves. You may prefer re-records to get a cleaner sound of a classic or you may not care or even notice, you just want to hear "the song."
As a former Oldies jock, I took great pains to obtain the best-sounding, cleanest version of the original mix heard on the radio when the song was popular. That meant sometimes buying re-mastered discs and sometimes it meant dubbing the original 45 from turntable to cd! Sometimes the station's GoldDisc library had the best copy but not usually!
Talk_Dude said:
TD has a good point. When we old-timers say the 50's/60's/70's music was better I'd guess most of us would not agree that all of it was better - but that it was generally better. And some, as TD illustrates, was exceptional and has no contemporary equal.
That said, there is some value in even the light-hearted pop that 1910 Fruitgum Co. put out and even the sappy lyrics of "Honey". Remembering that those days didn't seem quite as serious as those of today it was a different environment.
Talk_Dude said:
Whether, it's Steffenwolf, Cream, Moody Blues, The Beatles, the girl groups, Herb Alpert, the Four Seasons, Kyu Sakamoto, 1910 Fruitgum Co., Ohio Express or Bobby Goldsboro..etc..etc..etc.., it is still better than today's stuff, hands down....
Call it what you want T.D. but it's only your small opinion, never a fact.
The 1960's are a very special decade in Rock and Roll History.....it would be very far-fetched in calling 60's music... "crap".
oldies76 said:
I have heard some incredibly great music recorded in the past 10 years. I'm talking about music that's as good or better than any of the best album rock of the late '60's, early '70's. But I didn't hear it on the radio.
Listen to this song, or this song, or this gentle pop song.
The fact that there is such a dearth of good music being played on the radio doesn't prove that there's no good new music being recorded. It just proves that the people making the decisions of what songs to play are tone-deaf suits who wouldn't know good music if a ton of it fell on their heads.
Talk_Dude said:
I would limit that statement to some New Age stuff that wasn't even being produced in the 60's or 70's but we're basically talking pop here. I don't think anything in the past 20 years can hold a candle to the earlier generation.
Talk_Dude said:
Music tastes are very personal, no doubt about it. I would consider the first recording just noise. The second was not available to listen to and the third sounded kind of like a pop-country hybrid by someone imitating James Taylor - and not very well.
Sorry, if these are the best comparisons you can make I don't think you've made your case.
Talk_Dude said:
I, for one, didn't assume the only songs we are talking about are on the radio.
Just wondering where is your music prowess on display,so we can all benefit from your expertise??
Talk_dude asked, "Who is that question directed at?"
You, Mr. Dude. I know many people who program music for radio
and a few who arrange it for large Cathedrals, and for orchestra, and after reading what you wrote at 4:35pm today, was merely curious of your background.
Landtuna said, "Music tastes are very personal"
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True, but (just as in art), there is enough "science" for a skilled ear (read; "experienced") to discern good from bad, or at least mediocre. Another talent is to know what sounds good between what other music, and yet another to tell a fabulous computer program, like "Selector" how to manipulate a library.
Talk_dude asked, "Who is that question directed at?"
You, Mr. Dude. I know many people who program music for radio
and a few who arrange it for large Cathedrals, and for orchestra, and after reading what you wrote at 4:35pm today, was merely curious of your background.
Landtuna said, "Music tastes are very personal"
_____
True, but (just as in art), there is enough "science" for a skilled ear (read; "experienced") to discern good from bad, or at least mediocre. Another talent is to know what sounds good between what other music, and yet another to tell a fabulous computer program, like "Selector" how to manipulate a library.
Prais said:
What does being able to pick song titles off of a list based on the numerical scores they receive in some auditorium test have to do with bein being able to listen to music and hear if the singer is off-key or not, or if the guitars are in tune, or if the tune isn't just an insipid re-hash of someone else's work?
What are your credentials? What gives you the authority to challenge mine? What instruments do you play? How much vocal training have you had? What bands have you been a part of? How many songs have you written?
Talk_Dude said:
We're talking about upper charted pop hits of the 60's or 70's, that were played on top 40 stations back then. Most of these were heard on the radio at the height of their popularity.
Talk_Dude said:
Back then it was more of a free-for-all. Today, lists are severely constricted and not much is played to begin with, especially on some oldies stations.
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