Worst sounding/produced big hit

[Prais]

PS; Dominique is a KILLER in auditorium tests. (Really!)
Which proves how reliable auditorium tests are!

No. It proves people wanted to hear the song.

 

[hornet61]

apples to apples.... re-union to modern radio .....Crappy FM Oldies Stations today are outdrawing Great AM Oldies stations 5-1..because of the sound.

I said anyone who know his oldies can tell a re-recording on the first 2 notes....not the masses.

Like I said who here is qualified enough to call a song garbage,especially a Number #1 song....more like personal dislike, not fact. So if Dominique sold 1,000,150 units thats you versus 1,000,150 buyers who loved that song, how is that fact judged on the sound, or any other factor.

Elvis presly once called a #1 smash "Monster Mash" the worst song ever recorded,,,sure Elvis recorded 18# ones, but he also re-corded Spin-out,Clean-up your own backyard, Clambake, etc. Elvis is the King, I Love Him, he didn't write hardly any music, an Icon, the greatest........But "Monster Mash" sold millions..so By Elvis proclaiming It the worst ever..it was he versus millions, eh, sorry king you lose.

I'll say it again I don't like these subjective threads that based more on personal likes than on fact. .

 

[Prais]

Hornet said, ".....Crappy FM Oldies Stations today are outdrawing Great AM Oldies stations 5-1..because of the sound. "

Can you please elaborate w/call letters and data??

 

[hornet61]

Hornet said, ".....Crappy FM Oldies Stations today are outdrawing Great AM Oldies stations 5-1..because of the sound. "

Can you please elaborate w/call letters and data??

I was speaking in general terms(but an educated guess), but, I would bet a dollar to a donut that if you go to the top ten markets listed on this site's ratings section. ...not one AM Oldies/Classic hits is ahead or even in the same solar system as an FM Classic Hits/Oldies...and I have many, many more AM oldies stations (to My personal Liking/notice i didnt say best-thats subjective) than WCBS or KEARTH (the Top two in the Top Two Markets)....
AM stations have a better format, bigger playlists/better priogramming (To my liking)

Back to the point you wanted clarification there it Is, I really don't feel like schlepping thru the ten sheets...I would be shocked to find an AM OLDIES/Classic Hits station in the Top Ten Markets beating an Oldies/Classic Hits FM

But If You want the best Oldies Stations go to intranet there are hundreds of them better that any FM Oldies Station/Classics Hits Coast to Coast...Two specific one Rich Brothers and Diana Golden Oldies on live 365. Oh hell I just broke my own rule ..calling something the best..but I forgot to mention Diana J has been voted the best of the best on live 365. since she has been there and I think that's a awile, at least 6 years that i Know Of. And as far as the Rich Brothers they have been in radio since before the word resume was discovered.

 

[Prais]

What happened to 5 to 1???? Sounded pretty sure of yourself until you clarified what I would call BALONEY, but that's just me.

Statisics can sure prove anything.

Be careful you don't get STUNG by a hornet.

Thanks for clearing that up.

PS It's less bcause of the "sound" (if you mean am vs fm) than because of the music played demographics and who listens, but now i"m sure you'll clairify "what you meant" again. sheesh.

 

[oldies76]

I said anyone who know his oldies can tell a re-recording on the first 2 notes....not the masses.

So Very True!! By the way, K-Tel in the 70's did issue original recordings on some of their LP's. Also the old Ronco and Adam VIII LP's also had some originals on their compilations. I think this is a somewhat recent trend of all these CD companies issuing bogus re-records for the masses. Honestly, shame on them! I would never buy one.

 

[hornet61]

I said anyone who know his oldies can tell a re-recording on the first 2 notes....not the masses.

So Very True!! By the way, K-Tel in the 70's did issue original recordings on some of their LP's. Also the old Ronco and Adam VIII LP's also had some originals on their compilations. I think this is a somewhat recent trend of all these CD companies issuing bogus re-records for the masses. Honestly, shame on them! I would never buy one.

you are correct about k-tel, Ronco and Adam VIII..they were all originals..slightly clipped to fit 29-30 cuts onto an LP.

 

[hornet61]

What happened to 5 to 1???? Sounded pretty sure of yourself until you clarified what I would call BALONEY, but that's just me.
Statisics can sure prove anything.
Be careful you don't get STUNG by a hornet.
Thanks for clearing that up.
PS It's less bcause of the "sound" (if you mean am vs fm) than because of the music played demographics and who listens, but now i"m sure you'll clairify "what you meant" again. sheesh.

You had to make me go and look..
NY
wcbs fm 5.5 vs wtmr am .1
La
kearth fm 4.8 -vs kgil .3
Chicago
Wls FM 3.0 - vs no Oldies /classic hits on the chart
Dallas
Kluv fm 6.0 vs no oldies/Classic hits
That average of four of the (San Francisco #4 market does not have a fm oldies station)five top markets is 4.9 -.1 and I did that from memory...your comment was "thats what I call baloney..that's just me" and "statistic sure can prove anything" Care to re-phrase????
In my town,the numbers were 5.5-.05 ,so I ask why , the same statistic is true, and it's always the same answer, better and stronger sound( I have always interpreted that as stereo and signal, If you have some new revelation, other than stereo, as to what that means, please share). I have always researched every interest I have in music and radio before I go on here and talk outta my .....my 5 to 1 was in general terms, after years of following the trends which proved to be closer, that a someone who chose not to look it up, and just followed up with a snide remark.
I said am was better than fm because of the format, better playing lists ,better programmers. You threw in Demographics..unless you and I live in a different planet (And I am beginning to think that) the demographics are the same, that was the whole point to my comment..is that enough clarification for you.
PS: careful you don't get stung by a Hornet...sheesh

 

[Prais]

Thanks for the clarification. There is so much bs in so many places, and your post was quite "sure of yourself" so I just wanted to see what you had.

PS Everything's great here on the moon. (ha!)

 

[hornet61]

Thanks for the clarification. There is so much bs in so many places, and your post was quite "sure of yourself" so I just wanted to see what you had.

PS Everything's great here on the moon. (ha!)

that good because, Jonathan king left for the moon in 1965 and was scheduled to arrive in the year 2525...........peace out.

Happy Birthday John Lennon.

 

[FRR]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

 

[FRR]

Just wondering where is your music prowess on display,so we can all benefit from your expertise??

Good point Prais. Talk Dude is getting a little arrogant. Lol

 

[Talk_Dude]

Just wondering where is your music prowess on display,so we can all benefit from your expertise??

Good point Prais. Talk Dude is getting a little arrogant. Lol

What you're responding to was posted over two months ago. Did it take you that long to come up with a snappy retort?

 

[firepoint525]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

Not if you're a Beatles fan, DUH!

 

[firepoint525]

Just wondering where is your music prowess on display,so we can all benefit from your expertise??

Good point Prais. Talk Dude is getting a little arrogant. Lol

What you're responding to was posted over two months ago. Did it take you that long to come up with a snappy retort?

His reply to me was to something that I posted FIVE months ago! : And it was something that he had already previously replied to! :

 

[Talk_Dude]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

Not if you're a Beatles fan, DUH!

And, not if you're familar with the work of Tom Dowd, Todd Rundgren, and dozens of other producers who were far better than Spector could dream of.

 

[TheFonz]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

Not if you're a Beatles fan, DUH!

The Beatles must have been Spector fans. They asked him to with them on the "Let It Be" album.

 

[FRR]

Just wondering where is your music prowess on display,so we can all benefit from your expertise??

Good point Prais. Talk Dude is getting a little arrogant. Lol

What you're responding to was posted over two months ago. Did it take you that long to come up with a snappy retort?

Now Talk Dude, you need to be nice. Many of us on this Board are not professionals nor claim to be. We just love music and like to read others opinions. We also learn much from the folks that post here and have a great knowledge of the industry. We don't necessarily have time to read this Board every day, but from time to time we do. Don't belittle us just because we don't agree with you, or have the knowledge that you claim to have. This site was set up for discussion, and no one likes to be lectured to. Keep this in mind. In a free exchange of information, everyone benefits. But when someone claims to set themselves up as the "expert", like when you lectured me and what a "riff" is, it is not conducive to free discussion. As you can see from other posts, I think others agree with this statement

 

[firepoint525]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

Not if you're a Beatles fan, DUH!

The Beatles must have been Spector fans. They asked him to with them on the "Let It Be" album.

Nope, not quite true. Allen Klein, the Beatles' shyster, uh, I mean, manager, hired Spector to produce the Let It Be sessions for some "quick cash." The Beatles themselves had basically washed their hands of the project by then, and were moving on toward their respective solo careers. John Lennon and George Harrison may have been Spector fans, because they did, indeed, invite him to work with them on their respective solo projects. But it's also worth noting that Spector did not "drown" their Let It Be songs in strings and orchestration to quite the extent that he did with "Long and Winding Road."

I used to have Let It Be on 8-track way back in the late '70s. Even then, I didn't like Spector's before- and after-song gibberish on the various songs on Let It Be. So I edited out all that gibberish. Little did I know that I was creating my own Let It Be Naked (well, sort of!) a good 25 years before Let It Be Naked came out in 2003! 8) I was just ahead of my time! 8) Still sad, though, that it took the deaths of both John and George for Let It Be Naked to finally see the light of day. The Anthology projects vividly showed what a hack job Spector had done on Let It Be.

 

[firepoint525]

Anything produced by Phil Spector! His "wall of sound" is just a wall of NOISE to me! :

Spector was the greatest record producer in the history of rock music. Not much of a peach of a guy, but one GREAT producer.

Not if you're a Beatles fan, DUH!

And, not if you're familar with the work of Tom Dowd, Todd Rundgren, and dozens of other producers who were far better than Spector could dream of.

I liked the way that George Martin worked with the Beatles, basically letting their work shine through, and not drowning it in orchestration. Even with the LOVE project, which I initially thought was a bad idea, he only added strings to one of the 20+ songs on that collection.