Gotta hand it to Clear Channel...err, I ♥ Radio - they know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. Case in point, WDTW 13~Ten in Detroit. A real woofer of an Ancient Modulation station with a night pattern that basically went straight north and missed more than it hit. At one time this was the legendary Top 40 station Keener 13, but then the Big 8 came along and cleaned their clock in rather short order. CC tried everything, but nothing seemed to generate enough listenership to make it worthwhile. Along comes a buyer for the prime real estate WDTW sits on and makes an offer too good to refuse. CC sells the land, donates the xmttr and license to a minority group and will bulldoze the six towers (good luck to the future owner finding a suitable site for that wreck of a pattern). So the Nurse and I wuz thinkin' about the three Ancient Mod stations run by CC in the Valley. Are any of them beyond hope? Nope. Do any of them have significant signal problems? KayOhWhy and KGME 9~Ten at night. Any of them sitting on valued land? Only KFWhyEye, but that's one of the best AM's in the market. All three stations are off the hook for the time being, but as Ancient Modulation slips further into the tar pits of relevancy we think there'll be more sales based simply on the value of the land sitting under the towers.
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Would CC Make A Keener Move In PHX?
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landtuna said:
The day signal is pretty damn good (gotta love the 5/8 wave tower) but at night, anything on 1230 is terrible. Nobody in management has cared about KOY for close to 20 years, which is a shame.
I don't think anyone is going to make Clear Channel an offer for that patch of land off of Buckeye Road anytime soon unless Ed Eislie decides he wants to expand the Holsum bakery... but if that ever happened, 1230 can be diplexed at the 550 site. The COL would have to change to Tempe because the night pattern wouldn't cover enough of Phoenix, but the day pattern would still be fairly decent.
johndavis said:
Definite possibility and they could make a strong case for not changing the COL. KSUN's xmttr is just about a 1/2 mile east of KFWhyEye's and their nighttime coverage of Phoenix is just as bad (if not worse) than KayOhWhy's.
Speaking of valuable pieces of dirt, KMIK 15~Eighty sits on a nice parcel with freeway exposure! Good luck diplexing that six tower night pattern!
Dr. Akbar said:
An engineering study was done under different ownership that determined that if 1230 diplexed at the 550 site, its city of license would have to change to Tempe. I've read it.
At the time, it was decided that the change in coverage would make the station less valuable so they left it alone. But in the unlikely event that somebody ever wanted to buy the old KRIZ building or (more likely) it became too big of a liability, there is a suitable place to move the transmitter.
But there's no way to ever improve night coverage of a station on 1230. Those "local" frequencies are best either left alone or shut down.
Why would KOY have to change its COL to Tempe with a move to the KFYI site?
If the daytime signal coverage is sufficient, please see KFNN. They moved the
XMTR site to the KKNT sticks in north Phoenix, and their 100w-N doesn't reach
its Mesa COL. (The 22 gallons daytime does.)
Now if KFNN would only remember to cut power at monthly sunset...
If the daytime signal coverage is sufficient, please see KFNN. They moved the
XMTR site to the KKNT sticks in north Phoenix, and their 100w-N doesn't reach
its Mesa COL. (The 22 gallons daytime does.)
Now if KFNN would only remember to cut power at monthly sunset...
KFNN is a class D (ex-daytimer) station. Its night service is not protected from interference and it thus has no COL coverage requirement for its post-sunset service. All it has to do is encompass Mesa within its 5 mV/m daytime contour, which it does.
KRIZ - er, KOY - is a class C (ex-class IV, "graveyard") station. Its night service is protected by interference, and it is therefore required to cover its COL within its interference-free contour after dark. Because of the physical size of the city of Phoenix and the limited coverage of any class C facility at night, it is likely the FCC would look favorably on an argument that 1230 cannot cover all (or even most) of its COL even from its current site, and therefore should be allowed to move without a change of COL.
KRIZ - er, KOY - is a class C (ex-class IV, "graveyard") station. Its night service is protected by interference, and it is therefore required to cover its COL within its interference-free contour after dark. Because of the physical size of the city of Phoenix and the limited coverage of any class C facility at night, it is likely the FCC would look favorably on an argument that 1230 cannot cover all (or even most) of its COL even from its current site, and therefore should be allowed to move without a change of COL.
Scott Fybush said:
I'm just going by the advice of the DC attorneys at the time. Much time has passed since that opinion was given. There was a certain percentage of the city that had to be in the interference free contour which the projections did not meet.
In any event, it's not moving for the foreseeable future, so if it ever came up, they would need to do a new study, but the 550 site would be well suited for the job..
Scott Fybush said:
Aren't all but two Ancient Modulation stations licensed to Phoenix incapable of covering their COL at night? But who cares anyway as the available audience on AM after 7pm may equal the number of passengers on one city bus. The KayOhWhy xmttr site is not a desirable piece of land (unless you plan on opening a crack or drop house there). KGME's is better and KFWhyEye's is the best. But both licenses are worth much more than the land.
The two most valuable former tower sites I can think of would be the former KOY site at 12th Street & Camelback and the former KOOL site off of Scottsdale Road. I don't think any of the current sites are quite like those gold mines.
Not to be confused with the Ponderosa Lumber Company Goldmine...
Not to be confused with the Ponderosa Lumber Company Goldmine...
Beg to differ on the Chauncey Ranch site (KOOL 960 off of Scottsdale Road).
At least in terms of 960's night signal from there, as it nulled through much
of the East Valley. Even today from north Phoenix, 960 has a bad signal
there too. (I know, the East Valley is not Phoenix, but...)
I wonder how KOOL 960 got out from its original site at the NE corner of
North 44th St. and East Palm Lane?
At least in terms of 960's night signal from there, as it nulled through much
of the East Valley. Even today from north Phoenix, 960 has a bad signal
there too. (I know, the East Valley is not Phoenix, but...)
I wonder how KOOL 960 got out from its original site at the NE corner of
North 44th St. and East Palm Lane?
johndavis said:
Chauncey's Arabian Horse Ranch/Ancient Modulation stable was indeed a prized piece of real estate. Just south of the 101 and west of Scottsdale Road, and now loaded with Mercedes, BMW and Audi dealerships that cater to the abundant wealth in that area. No low-life Gremlin owners can be found here. Chauncey owned 160 acres...far more turf than the four towers KOOL 9~Sixty required.
Not to be confused with the Ponderosa Lumber Company Goldmine...
On leased land just large enough to accommodate the rusting self supported tower and cinder block xmttr shack with a classic asbestos roof. YIKES!
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