Would this playlist work?

[oldies76]

The music that is appropriate at a club is not appropriate or even wanted at other times and in other places.

Man, how can you come up with such an assumption?? I keep telling you guys that everyone has their own favorites songs....If they like a song at a DJ party, why would they dislike it on the radio? That makes no sense David.

If the dance floor was "packed" according to Fang39 for "After the Lovin" (slow dance), what makes you assume that these same people won't like it on the radio or anywhere else or at some other time?? I just does not make sense.

 

[oldies76]

Clubs and parties are what they are because they alter reality on purpose.

Take a club... dim lights, unusual decoration and lighting, liquor, interesting people of the "opposite" sex in often provocative or alluring attire, perhaps something beyond liquor in the bathroom... and you have a totally different environment.

A song heard at a dance party is no different than hearing it on the radio later (and reminding you of a great time you had at that party.) And as for your description on party environment, that can obviously happen, but more likely in downtown Hollywood or some other lively club scene. Were talking 40-50+ year olds here for Englebert's music and other music aimed at them.

 

[oldies76]

I don't expect the club DJ to play "Mandy" or "Dominique" at a club.

I actually had a request for "Mandy" and "I Write the Songs" at a home party a couple years back, so nothing can ever be ruled out.

"Dominique" is from 1963, so unless your hosting a party for senior citizens, it's very unlikely a DJ would play that for 40-50 year olds at a private home party.

 

[michael hagerty]

Were talking 40-50+ year olds here for Englebert's music and other music aimed at them.

Let me just mention here that "After The Lovin'" was a record that appealed to a 40+ audience on it's release. Those folks are 75+ now.

A 40 year old guy gets brownie points for dancing with his wife to it at her parents' golden anniversary party, but that's not his music.

Social environments are just that, social. And unless you're spectacularly ill-bred, you go with the flow and enjoy what's played rather than making any displeasure with it obvious.

But radio is largely a private listening experience. It's all about desires and expectations right then, right now, with no one else's feelings to consider.

Mr. 40-something is statistically very likely to punch out of "After The Lovin'" the day after the anniversary party and crank up "Back In Black".

 

[davideduardo]

Man, how can you come up with such an assumption?? I keep telling you guys that everyone has their own favorites songs....If they like a song at a DJ party, why would they dislike it on the radio? That makes no sense David.

Classic research finding:

I was planning a station format launch, and the format was going to be a single genre.

Up to that time, programming of that genre had included another, quite separate and distinguishable genre. I thought that perhaps not playing the second type of music in the blend would open a new market.

Think of this as being comparable to doing a new CHR with no hip hop at all... quite radical at the time.

We did research in record stores. The same stores that said, "Oh, the customer who buys Genre A also buys Genre B".

We did exit interviews on anyone who bought Genre A. When asked about Genre B, they said, "I never listen to that music. I just buy it occasionally to have dancable songs when friends drop over on the weekend."

We did not play the second genre, despite all the record companies having major fits and even the radio pundits in the press saying we were quite nuts. We listened to the listeners. And the station debuted at #1 after only 20 days on the air in a top 15 US market.

On countless other occasions, I have seen people explain that music they like in a club is quite repugnant in any other setting.

 

[oldies76]

Let me just mention here that "After The Lovin'" was a record that appealed to a 40+ audience on it's release. Those folks are 75+ now.

Interesting, because it was released in late 1976 as an alternative to the disco craze underway back then. Sales and some airplay determined it's ultimate peak position of #8 in early 1977. Since teens were supposedly the ones buying 45's back then, you think that the 40+ audience were mainly the ones that determined it's top 10 position on Billboard? A bit unusual it seems.

I suppose we would have to ask Fang39 for the crowd demos when dancing to "After the Lovin".

 

[oldies76]

On countless other occasions, I have seen people explain that music they like in a club is quite repugnant in any other setting.

Well, club remixes, 12" club versions and "club specific" music (rap, house) I could understand, but regular hit songs ( as heard on the radio) I would not believe to be an issue.

 

[michael hagerty]

Let me just mention here that "After The Lovin'" was a record that appealed to a 40+ audience on it's release. Those folks are 75+ now.

Interesting, because it was released in late 1976 as an alternative to the disco craze underway back then. Sales and some airplay determined it's ultimate peak position of #8 in early 1977. Since teens were supposedly the ones buying 45's back then, you think that the 40+ audience were mainly the ones that determined it's top 10 position on Billboard? A bit unusual it seems.

I suppose we would have to ask Fang39 for the crowd demos when dancing to "After the Lovin".

By late '76/early '77, singles sales had fallen enough that getting into the top 10 took far fewer copies moved at wholesale than just three years before. Given that it was a #1 AC record and that the album only made #17, I suppose it's possible that enough adults bought the single. It was a very unusual record for the time.

I can tell you that at the time, all the requests we were getting at the station I programmed were adult females, and that a lot of Top 40s either skipped it altogether or day parted it so that it ran midnight to noon so that it would never come near afternoon drive or evenings.

 

[unitron]

If "After The Lovin'" sold, it sold to women.

On the radio, most men won't have any use for it.

In a club, as a way to get their arms around a woman for a little while without needing to have taken 10 years of dancing lessons, that's a different story.

But I suppose women (generalizing here) would like it on the radio as well.

Some stuff translates from radio to club, or the other way around, better than other stuff.

And that's a situation where you really have to know your audience to figure out which is which.

 

[davideduardo]

Well, club remixes, 12" club versions and "club specific" music (rap, house) I could understand, but regular hit songs ( as heard on the radio) I would not believe to be an issue.

You are missing my point: clubs and parties create a purposely altered mood. Just as people tend to behave differently in such situations than they would in their living room or workplace, they will enjoy different music, too. And different foods, drinks, etc.

Even at parties like wedding receptions or birthdays, the mood is different. Like, well, how often do we want to hear Don Ho's perennial wedding favorite in our daily lives. Or ("tacky alert" warning sign is on) "The Wind Beneath My Wings." Yet on those occasions, sappy songs are accepted and even welcome.

It's a different mood.

 

[unitron]

Well, club remixes, 12" club versions and "club specific" music (rap, house) I could understand, but regular hit songs ( as heard on the radio) I would not believe to be an issue.

You are missing my point: clubs and parties create a purposely altered mood. Just as people tend to behave differently in such situations than they would in their living room or workplace, they will enjoy different music, too. And different foods, drinks, etc.

Even at parties like wedding receptions or birthdays, the mood is different. Like, well, how often do we want to hear Don Ho's perennial wedding favorite in our daily lives. Or ("tacky alert" warning sign is on) "The Wind Beneath My Wings." Yet on those occasions, sappy songs are accepted and even welcome.

It's a different mood.

And knowing their mood is an indespensable part of knowing your audience.