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WPDI 104.7 Hazlet is on the air

If WDDM/WPDI moved to 104.7 before the 104.7 translator launched, the translator wouldn't have seen the light of day. The 104.7 translator went on the air before WPRB downgraded to HD, so it needed something to translate, and WWFM supplied them programming. I'm pretty sure they can make more money translating the Indian format on 104.7 via either the 100.7 translator or WPRB-HD2. As it is, 104.7 is a mess in the highest Indian concentration in NJ. 100.7 might be free to translate WPDI if ESPN takes over 98.7-HD2. Listener complaints will get the FCC's attention, and they can force the 104.7 translator off the air.

I wonder if 104.7 can change to a booster for WPDI. Even if they can't be a booster, they have another source for the same programming, so it can operate as a booster. I'd imagine the interference would be bad because there are no terrain obstructions between Hazlet and New Brunswick to block WPDI's signal. I remember hearing a booster interfere with the main with no terrain obstructions with 94.5 The Vibe in Vegas. The main is 70 miles northeast of Vegas, and its signal is blocked in Vegas by a mountain. 94.5's booster is on that mountain and it provided a good signal in Vegas. Northeast of the booster, there was heavy interference with the booster and the main, but no population in that area.
 
Can't have a booster outside of your protected, in this case for a class D not really protected, 60dBu contour. With a 10 watt station that's a pretty small area you can locate a booster in.

The only way to make this work is to somehow null out the translator, pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site and then relay 100.7 down to the translator in Franklin Twp. The fun part about this is that if the wrong 104.7 started to get picked up, there would be a fun feedback loop!!

Option 2 is to lease an HD subchannel from another operator and then feed the translators that way. That would be far more effective, and the two 104.7's could then be synchronized to minimize interference.

Both WPDI and the translator are class D services, meaning secondary services to class A, B, B1 etc. stations. That's why WFJS took the original WDDM off the air when they filed for the class A station on 89.3 in Freehold.

Their mistake was NOT filing for 89.3 themselves. But you snooze, you lose, and they lost.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Can't have a booster outside of your protected, in this case for a class D not really protected, 60dBu contour. With a 10 watt station that's a pretty small area you can locate a booster in.

The only way to make this work is to somehow null out the translator, pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site and then relay 100.7 down to the translator in Franklin Twp. The fun part about this is that if the wrong 104.7 started to get picked up, there would be a fun feedback loop!!

Option 2 is to lease an HD subchannel from another operator and then feed the translators that way. That would be far more effective, and the two 104.7's could then be synchronized to minimize interference.

Both WPDI and the translator are class D services, meaning secondary services to class A, B, B1 etc. stations. That's why WFJS took the original WDDM off the air when they filed for the class A station on 89.3 in Freehold.

Their mistake was NOT filing for 89.3 themselves. But you snooze, you lose, and they lost.
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I guess this would be an option were 104.7 (Marlboro), 104.7 (Franklin) and 100.7 (Edison) ALL licensed and operated by the SAME person/organization but again that is not the case, so again I propose the question... If I, for example, have NO claim or legal right to a frequency (whether it be a translator OR a licensed Class "x" station) what right do I personally have to decide what programming should be on it?Hypothetical? Yes! Does it make your scenario (WNTIradio) anymore accurate? No! ... Just going out on a limb here but is the license-holder of W284BW and W264BT affiliated with the WPDI folks OR are we assuming because he's of the *same ethnicity* he must be? I'll be the first to admit I was incorrect on my facts but to date my research hasn't proven to be inaccurate... If I recall, 89.3 did make use of the 100.7 translator but that by no means makes them all a part of the same operation.

Bottom-line here as I see it from this vantage point, W284BW's height advantage and location combined is really a great find in this densely populated area but they ARE inflciting interference onto a licensed station, Class D or not it's still to my knowledge a step above on the hierarchy.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/fm-translators-and-boosters-general-information

>>>>Interference caused. A translator or booster may not cause predicted or actual interference. If any actual interference is created, the Commission requires the permittee or licensee to resolve all interference complaints by appropriate means. If the interference cannot be resolved, the Commission will require the FM translator or booster station to discontinue operations. See 47 CFR Section 74.1203. A translator construction permit application will not be granted if an objecting party provides convincing evidence that the proposed translator station would likely interfere with off the air reception of a full service FM station, even if there is no predicted prohibited contour overlap <<<<


Doesn't seem like 89.3 actually "lost" anything except maybe 10 months of air-time but that frequency wasn't all that great from what I recall anyway. The only saving grace was the STA from the Arts Center which gave it a slight edge based on topography/elevation. Once you got a mile south of there, WSOU started to hammer it, but then again that wasn't their targeted-area so it didn't really matter. The church folks are happy and when the WPDI folks have the issue of the translator sorted out, it will have a much *cleaner* frequency to operate on.

Thanks for reading!
 
WRKS 98.7 is no longer running HUM Desi on their HD-2. When the station switch to ESPN at 12:01 A.M. Someone posted on the new York Board waht's on the HD's Seems an HD-3 has been added.

1050 AM Simulcast on 98.7 HD-1
ESPN Deportes on WRKS HD2
ESPN News on WRKS HD3

So I guess till they change it Spanish ESPN Sports is running on the Edison Translator.
 
I guess this would be an option were 104.7 (Marlboro), 104.7 (Franklin) and 100.7 (Edison) ALL licensed and operated by the SAME person/organization but again that is not the case, so again I propose the question... If I, for example, have NO claim or legal right to a frequency (whether it be a translator OR a licensed Class "x" station) what right do I personally have to decide what programming should be on it?Hypothetical? Yes! Does it make your scenario (WNTIradio) anymore accurate? No! ... Just going out on a limb here but is the license-holder of W284BW and W264BT affiliated with the WPDI folks OR are we assuming because he's of the *same ethnicity* he must be? I'll be the first to admit I was incorrect on my facts but to date my research hasn't proven to be inaccurate... If I recall, 89.3 did make use of the 100.7 translator but that by no means makes them all a part of the same operation.
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Okay, you gotta take my word here that I know that it's all the same family of people running these things. Full disclosure, I'm the contract engineer for the current 89.3, WFJS (among many other stations). The people running WJFS obviously had dealings with them, that was before my time at the station. But I do know that it's a son/father in law situation, because the son didn't have citizenship when they bought WDDM. Shows two separate companies, but it is the same group of people involved.
 
WNTIRadio said:
I guess this would be an option were 104.7 (Marlboro), 104.7 (Franklin) and 100.7 (Edison) ALL licensed and operated by the SAME person/organization but again that is not the case, so again I propose the question... If I, for example, have NO claim or legal right to a frequency (whether it be a translator OR a licensed Class "x" station) what right do I personally have to decide what programming should be on it?Hypothetical? Yes! Does it make your scenario (WNTIradio) anymore accurate? No! ... Just going out on a limb here but is the license-holder of W284BW and W264BT affiliated with the WPDI folks OR are we assuming because he's of the *same ethnicity* he must be? I'll be the first to admit I was incorrect on my facts but to date my research hasn't proven to be inaccurate... If I recall, 89.3 did make use of the 100.7 translator but that by no means makes them all a part of the same operation.
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Okay, you gotta take my word here that I know that it's all the same family of people running these things. Full disclosure, I'm the contract engineer for the current 89.3, WFJS (among many other stations). The people running WJFS obviously had dealings with them, that was before my time at the station. But I do know that it's a son/father in law situation, because the son didn't have citizenship when they bought WDDM. Shows two separate companies, but it is the same group of people involved.
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Yeah the way they obtained their CP wasn't a tad deceptive? What exactly was the FM Pregnancy Center? They had the CP for less than a few months and sold it to a Catholic group. The people that own WDDM or whatever it is called now own much more than WDDM. Who else would pay 500K for a 10 watt station?
 
What exactly was the FM Pregnancy Center?


You sit on a radio and get knocked up... The story of the virgin Mary. ;D
 
myke25 said:
What exactly was the FM Pregnancy Center?


You sit on a radio and get knocked up... The story of the virgin Mary. ;D
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I am not going to touch that one!
 
It was a group that applied for a license and then transferred the CP. That never happens. But when it's a Catholic or religious group, everyone gets all crazy.

Whether you agree or not, this is America and they have a right to a frequency they legitimately applied for, just as anyone else. I don't like hip-hop stations, but they're on the air.

The group with WDDM got their displacement to 104.7. They weren't smart enough to apply for 89.3. That's their loss.
 
WNTIRadio said:
It was a group that applied for a license and then transferred the CP. That never happens. But when it's a Catholic or religious group, everyone gets all crazy.

Whether you agree or not, this is America and they have a right to a frequency they legitimately applied for, just as anyone else. I don't like hip-hop stations, but they're on the air.

The group with WDDM got their displacement to 104.7. They weren't smart enough to apply for 89.3. That's their loss.
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Unfortunately it happens all to often. Applicants misrepresent the truth about how they plan to serve the public just to be awarded the CP then either sell it or program it they way they intended. The lesson to be learned here is when you apply for a non-comm or LPFM LIE! The FM Pregnancy Center indeed.
 
I was driving up the parkway and forgot to tune in until I was around Exit 136. When I tuned it in I heard a religious Jamaican station. They were talkin bout Jesus don't you know mon.
 
Unfortunately it happens all to often. Applicants misrepresent the truth about how they plan to serve the public just to be awarded the CP then either sell it or program it they way they intended. The lesson to be learned here is when you apply for a non-comm or LPFM LIE! The FM Pregnancy Center indeed.
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It was two Catholic organizations... how does that misrepresent the truth? The original applicant is a board member of DCM.

And as far as I remember, the FCC doesn't have any restrictions about how you program your station in regards to format. Only if it will "serve the public". There's plenty of Indians, they get served by WPDI. There's plenty of Catholics, they get served by WFJS. There's plenty of AAA fans, they get served by WBJB.

I can only speak for WFJS, but there is plenty of programming in the issues file to cover local NJ issues. More than most commercial stations, where the only "public service" is buried at 6am. I hear a lot of local announcements on WBJB. WPDI serves the Indian population well and I'm sure broadcasts their "issues".

I hate Indian Bollywood music, but they have just as much a right to program it as the Catholic station or the AAA. I love the AAA station, but they have no particular preference over any of the others.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Unfortunately it happens all to often. Applicants misrepresent the truth about how they plan to serve the public just to be awarded the CP then either sell it or program it they way they intended. The lesson to be learned here is when you apply for a non-comm or LPFM LIE! The FM Pregnancy Center indeed.
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It was two Catholic organizations... how does that misrepresent the truth? The original applicant is a board member of DCM.

And as far as I remember, the FCC doesn't have any restrictions about how you program your station in regards to format. Only if it will "serve the public". There's plenty of Indians, they get served by WPDI. There's plenty of Catholics, they get served by WFJS. There's plenty of AAA fans, they get served by WBJB.

I can only speak for WFJS, but there is plenty of programming in the issues file to cover local NJ issues. More than most commercial stations, where the only "public service" is buried at 6am. I hear a lot of local announcements on WBJB. WPDI serves the Indian population well and I'm sure broadcasts their "issues".

I hate Indian Bollywood music, but they have just as much a right to program it as the Catholic station or the AAA. I love the AAA station, but they have no particular preference over any of the others.
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You are correct the FCC doesn't control content (yet) that is why I say when you apply for a station LIE!!! Tell them you are going to program for minorities, women, foreign language, senior citizens, and it doesn't hurt to put a few women and minoritiies on your board. I have a copy of the application for the LPFM station that had the CP for in Point Pleasant. I saved it because it was a classic example of what I am talking about and out of ten applicants this group was given the CP. A different foreign language program every hour 24/7. They never built it, were not local, had a PO box in Wall, and have/had applications for translators and other LPFMs. LIE!!!!!!!!!
 
The FCC grants CPs based on a point system. First local service to a community, does the group own other stations in the market and if so how many, are they local ownership etc.

Programming doesn't have anything to do with who gets the CP. There's no preference for programming. That stuff is listed just to keep people (the public) happy.

The board, however, yes, that's something that counts into it. Unfortunately that does play into it in regards to women, minorities etc. It really shouldn't, just the pure point system.

If the FCC doesn't catch a particular group in their lie, than that's the fault of the FCC for not screening well enough.
 
WNTIRadio said:
The FCC grants CPs based on a point system. First local service to a community, does the group own other stations in the market and if so how many, are they local ownership etc.

Programming doesn't have anything to do with who gets the CP. There's no preference for programming. That stuff is listed just to keep people (the public) happy.

The board, however, yes, that's something that counts into it. Unfortunately that does play into it in regards to women, minorities etc. It really shouldn't, just the pure point system.

If the FCC doesn't catch a particular group in their lie, than that's the fault of the FCC for not screening well enough.
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Oh I know how the FCC grants licenses. I have been playing around in this business, in TV mostly but radio too, for almost 40 years. How would they catch them? Get the CP and sell it.
 
It doesn't grant on programming and it's perfectly legal to sell a CP.

You can't sell APPLICATIONS, but you can sell CPs. That's like saying I can't sell my car after I buy it.

I don't see what the big deal is here. If I applied for a translator or non-comm CP and someone wanted to give me plenty of money for it, sold!

As far as WDDM getting displaced, that's the risk you run operating on a class D station. They weren't smart enough to apply for the class A allocation on 89.3 during the non-comm window. They were (can't speak for them now) terrible operators, running over height, power and also lots of full blown :60 ads on their non-comm frequency. They're pretty lucky they got the displacement to 104.7 through with all of those things factored in.
 
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