Even though it has been over 3 years now since the station changed hands, I am wondering how WQXR, the WNYC version (programming and signal), compares to The New York Times version (programming and signal).
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Last I knew QXR had translators in Oakhurst, New Jersey and Highland, New York. How is the public supposed to know when they are never promoted on-air?
Cosmopolite said:
Where are Oakhurst NJ and Highland NY? And did these translators exist and, if so, did they rebroadcast 105.9 before it became WQXR? Got any stats on the translators (HAAT, power, frequency)?
The translator in NJ has been gone for a while. I believe it's for sale.
Not sure about the one upstate.
Between the lower power and short spaced co and adjacent channels, 105.9 is nowhere close (signal wise) to 96.3. It does OK in the city and immediate metro, but falls apart pretty quickly once you get into the suburbs (in my case, north of White Plains).
I don't know enough about the programming to tell you if it's better or worse. But I'm sure classical fans are grateful to have an outlet of any sort.
Not sure about the one upstate.
Between the lower power and short spaced co and adjacent channels, 105.9 is nowhere close (signal wise) to 96.3. It does OK in the city and immediate metro, but falls apart pretty quickly once you get into the suburbs (in my case, north of White Plains).
I don't know enough about the programming to tell you if it's better or worse. But I'm sure classical fans are grateful to have an outlet of any sort.
[Where are Oakhurst NJ and Highland NY? And did these translators exist and, if so, did they rebroadcast 105.9 before it became WQXR? Got any stats on the translators (HAAT, power, frequency)?
Oakhurst, NJ is at the Jersey Shore in Monmouth County, NJ. The 96.7 translator (W244AS) there has been around since the mid-1980s long before WQXR moved to 105.9. In the early 90s, it translated the then WRDR-104.9 in Egg Harbor City, NJ (now WSJO). When I left the area in the mid-90s, it was still translating WRDR. Not sure when it switched to translating WQXR, but I know it was translating them when they were still on 96.3.
Supposedly, W244AS is for sale, and the owner is asking an exorbitant price for it.
-Mike
Oakhurst, NJ is at the Jersey Shore in Monmouth County, NJ. The 96.7 translator (W244AS) there has been around since the mid-1980s long before WQXR moved to 105.9. In the early 90s, it translated the then WRDR-104.9 in Egg Harbor City, NJ (now WSJO). When I left the area in the mid-90s, it was still translating WRDR. Not sure when it switched to translating WQXR, but I know it was translating them when they were still on 96.3.
Supposedly, W244AS is for sale, and the owner is asking an exorbitant price for it.
-Mike
Listener supported classical music stations generally have a wider variety of selections, while their commercially driven counterparts attempt to appeal to those who are not "really" into the genre.
WQXR is also heard on WNYC-HD2.
Q2-Music, "The Music of Living Composers", is on 105.9-HD2.
Both plus Operavore are online.
FWIW...WKCR (89.9) has NJPR's all classical WWFM on their HD-2.
WQXR is also heard on WNYC-HD2.
Q2-Music, "The Music of Living Composers", is on 105.9-HD2.
Both plus Operavore are online.
FWIW...WKCR (89.9) has NJPR's all classical WWFM on their HD-2.
ai4i said:
I like a lot of classical music, I'm not so sure that was true for most of QXR's NYT tenure. In the last few years that sort of came up a bunch. In fact in a way I always appreciated it wasn't just another NPR cookie cutter-ish classical station which it now sort of is in a lot of ways. Given how poor the 105.9 signal is (especially in comparison to 96.3) I'm almost surprised it pulls a 1.5, NYC-FM can't even get a 1. luperm is correct though, it was nice to see some care taken to ensure a future for the station rather than blindly selling off the frequency to the highest bidder. Of course it wasn't completely without precedent, WRTI did the same 15 years ago with the demise of WFLN in Philly.
If that holds up, perhaps WNYC.org will consider swapping the two.thataveragejoe said:
Many classical music formats have swapped stations/frequencies and gotten stronger (WGMS/WETA) or weaker (KDFC) but, I know of only a single case where, in going from commercial to public, kept its legacy frequency and signal.
Dorothy Stimson Bullitt is resting peacefully.
ai4i said:
That's been suggested before to which everyone from David on down came running in yelling NO NEVER. EVER. EVER. happening. I suppose it would be weird to have "WNYC-FM" licensed to Newark NJ.
Anyone know if the entire NY Times 'QXR record library was handed over to the 'NYC 'QXR with the switch? I will admit, I love the audio on the 'QXR webstream. Lots of dynamic range, little EQ, and basically minimal processing. Even though I am not a big classical fan, I find the clean audio appealing. I am so very tired of over-processed audio.
thataveragejoe said:
To clear up any confusion, a clarification:
NYC Arbitron Ratings July-December 2012
Station Format Owner Jul 12 Aug 12 Sep 12 Oct 12 Nov 12 Dec 12
WNYC-FM-93.9 N/T NY Public Radio 1.7 1.9 2.0 2.0 1.8 1.9
WQXR-FM-105.9 Classical NY Public Radio 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.4 1.3 1.5
WNYC-AM-820 N/T NY Public Radio 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.6 0.9
WNYC-FM + WNYC-AM share much of the same programming. There are a few shows that are exclusive to each station, such as the shows on the FM side that have a music component ("New Sounds", "Soundcheck", "Spinning On Air" and "Jonathan Schwartz").
WNYC-AM/WNYC-FM schedule (PDF): http://www.wnyc.org/media/resources/2012/Sep/14/wnyc-schedule.pdf
Info on the translators from the FCC pages:
http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?call=W244AS (96.7 Oakhurst, NJ - FCC says it rebroadcasts WXNY-FM 96.3 NYC)
http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?call=W279AJ (103.7 Highland, NY - FCC says it has construction permit - to rebroadcast WQXR-FM-105.9 NYC)
Couple of clarifications/corrections ..
W244AS, Oakhurst, is still on the air ..
It has 8 watts and does, indeed, simulcast WQXR 105.9 ..
The origins of the translator go back to the mid to late 1980's when it originally had WHTZ "Z-100" on it ..
It later switched to WRDR (104.9, Egg Harbor City) and then WOBM (92.7, Toms River), before going to WQXR ..
When WQXR switched from 96.3 to 105.9, the translator was still broadcasting the 96.3 signal for about a month or so, before they were able to fix the tuner and move it to 105.9 ..
Also, a few posts up .. "ai4i" mentioned WKCR's HD2 is "NJPR's" WWFM ..
WWFM is actually from Mercer County Community College, not NJPR ..
W244AS, Oakhurst, is still on the air ..
It has 8 watts and does, indeed, simulcast WQXR 105.9 ..
The origins of the translator go back to the mid to late 1980's when it originally had WHTZ "Z-100" on it ..
It later switched to WRDR (104.9, Egg Harbor City) and then WOBM (92.7, Toms River), before going to WQXR ..
When WQXR switched from 96.3 to 105.9, the translator was still broadcasting the 96.3 signal for about a month or so, before they were able to fix the tuner and move it to 105.9 ..
Also, a few posts up .. "ai4i" mentioned WKCR's HD2 is "NJPR's" WWFM ..
WWFM is actually from Mercer County Community College, not NJPR ..
pjc1961 said:
Yep, just an honest mental lapse in reviewing too quickly. Thanks.
ai4i said:
Minneapolis must be up there. How many are you counting in NYC?
Pirate_Jim said:
96.7 was hanging off the big tower for Fort Monmouth. In back of what used to be the Seaview Square Mall. Since that tower was removed, it is sitting on a newer, free standing, Cell tower just North of the previous location in Ocean Twp.
With the original configuration, it was 8w in and 800w out, effectively. From what I see, it is pretty much still that way. A nice signal for a little guy.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
LA has gobs of them, too.Theater of My Mind said:
NYC has more than double the number as there are BBC radio services available on DAB in London.
Some of these have partial market coverage but I am not including LPFM's or TIR/TIS stations:
WBGO
The Jazz Bee
WNYU/WFDU
WFMU
WKCR
WWFM
WFUV & WFUV Music (always seem to have the same program)
The Alt Side
WNYE (never heard them, no web stream)
WNYC
WBAI
WQXR
Q2 Music
WNYC(AM)
RUVR, The Voice of Russia
China Radio International (I'm not sure if this is current and full time)
Some are simulcast on HD subchannels, loading up at least eighteen presets on an HD car radio.
I could have missed some HD subchannels.
A 20db gain FM broadcast antenna must be either verrrrry directional or:badjef said:
huge.
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