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WRCM

Having defended WRCM here, I must say I found their employment application a bit off putting, please read it:

http://www.ciu.edu/employment/WRCMApplication.pdf


I was more than a bit shocked. While I agree it's important to have good people of high moral character I don't believe a radio station has the right to hire or not hire someone based on their spiritual beliefs or what they choose to do on their own time. To specify what Church I attend or not attend.

I'd be disqualified because I'm Catholic.

What do you think?
 
The assumption of an employer who attaches such conditions to an employment application is that no one who didn't meet those conditions would apply there to begin with.

Further, someone who had the desire, or "calling", strong enough to seek the position would present no problems with living the life outlined by those conditions.

For most of the broadcasting positions I've been hired for, filling out an application was an afterthought anyway...by networking with people in the business, names get circulated, phone calls get made, deals get struck...THEN applications get filled out as part of the paperwork.

In situations such as WRCM's the only difference is the people with whom one networks. If they are looking for a new morning announcer, the hiring process will start with a NAME coming to the attention of the Station Manager or someone higher up in the Columbia International University administration. What will follow that is a conversation and an aircheck, then more conversations and some assurance that the person with that name is likely to fill the position before an APPLICATION is tendered.

In very few instances does the process begun with an "outside application", from someone unknown to those in charge, result in hiring. Those applications usually go into a file marked "EEOC", and are used to satisfy government regulators and justify hiring decisions.

To boil it down, Mike, if your name passed the networking in that organization, THEY wanted you for the position, and YOU wanted the position bad enough, the application would not present a bar to employment there. To my way of looking at it, such an application is irrelevant to any substantial employment process. I'll leave any hypocrisy issues in its design or use to those who are offended by them, up to and including GOD.

Later....
Matt Smith
WGSR-TV
 
I appreciate your view and opinion on this. You bring up some good points and in some ways I agree.

Their application however makes me feel very uncomfortable. It reads like believe the way we believe or we don't want you.

Just because someone doesn't attend the same church that doesn't mean they don't have the moral character to serve. Imagine if every radio station presented qualifications like this. I would think this violates some law which even Christians are not above.
 
Mike,

Do some research on the Columbia Bible College...you'll then understand.
 
It seems to me that this applications violates EEO and FCC regulations since they have use of the public airwaves, but i'm sure there are many similar stations that have similar rules. this is worth looking into.
 
I'll have to admit, I've found myself listening to 91.9 a good bit recently. Much of the music is uplifting and inspiring, as advertised, and the station has a good professional sound. HOWEVER, after reading the employment application, I will not be listening again. There is a word for what WRCM is doing, and that is discrimination--not to mention religious bigotry--and I don't want anything to do with that. I consider myself to be a Christian, but my Bible doesn't give anyone permission to discriminate based on religious beliefs or practices. To be honest, some of the liners aired on 91.9 made me uncomfortable anyway. BTW, WRCM is rated by Arbitron, as are the other NCE's--they just aren't published by Radio and Records. I've seen them elsewhere on the net and they usually run about a 2.0, compared with FAE's 4 to 5. DAV also usually gets about a 2. WMHK, RCM's sister station in Columbia, usually gets about a 6-7!
 
I had posted here earlier. Apparently, the mod. deleted my post. I guess it was not politically correct. I never said anything negative or deragotory about any race or religion. But I guess it was not "politically correct" to point out what I did. WRCM has the right to hire Christian employees....but I can't tell you why I feel that way, I can't point out other examples of discrimination on the airwaves or I am considered racist and my post will be deleted. It is sad what this country has come to. Political corectness is way out of control. I may need to move to Canada. Bottom line, WRCM chooses to hire Christians....other station employ primarily folks that are there prmary demographic as well. Figure the riddle out. There, was that "politically correct" enough! :-\
 
Having interviewed many individuals for positions with Christian organizations, I find it refreshing to see an application that directly communicates the kind of people they are looking for. Now I feel things like positions on end-time events and instructions on what kind of movies to watch may be a bit over the top. But to make it clear that similar believing individuals will only be considered makes sense to me.

Unfortunately, many individuals lie on applications! Anyone can say they accept the standards and beliefs, but that really does not mean they live them. Some of the biggest scandals in history have been performed by people who would agree with this specific application (King David comes to mind!) Legalism is a dangerous thing, and nobody can live a perfect life. That is why Jesus died for us!
 
fortmill said:
I'll have to admit, I've found myself listening to 91.9 a good bit recently. Much of the music is uplifting and inspiring, as advertised, and the station has a good professional sound. HOWEVER, after reading the employment application, I will not be listening again. There is a word for what WRCM is doing, and that is discrimination--not to mention religious bigotry--and I don't want anything to do with that. I consider myself to be a Christian, but my Bible doesn't give anyone permission to discriminate based on religious beliefs or practices. To be honest, some of the liners aired on 91.9 made me uncomfortable anyway. BTW, WRCM is rated by Arbitron, as are the other NCE's--they just aren't published by Radio and Records. I've seen them elsewhere on the net and they usually run about a 2.0, compared with FAE's 4 to 5. DAV also usually gets about a 2. WMHK, RCM's sister station in Columbia, usually gets about a 6-7!
WRCM is a church on the air. Would you hire a Catholic Priest to preach in a Synagogue?
 
"Church on the air" or not, any organization that advertises for and hires paid employees must adhere to Federal and State labor and right to work laws. These laws directly address discrimination. FCC also takes a VERY dim view of violations of employment laws.
 
WRCM is a church on the air. Would you hire a Catholic Priest to preach in a Synagogue?
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Are you saying that Catholics are not Christians? If it's not an on air position should there still be a requirement? Those are my questions.

Jim I see no fault in anything of yours that you have posted. PC or whatever I want you to know that I respect your opinion and the opinions of others who have posted here. I don't have all the answers, just questions!
 
Listening to WRCM just now I heard them play an Amy Grant Christmas song so I guess the "Amy ban" has been lifted.

Mike
 
WRCM is legally set up as a division of a religious organization, with full 501 (c) 3 designation as a non-profit organization. As an FCC-licensed facility, they are mandated to have full EEO compliance. EEO, however, specifically exempts religious organizations from the "creed" provisions of enforcement. As long as they can show good-faith efforts to hire according to the principles of EEO, the federal government will not take them to task over their hiring practices. That's where all of those "outside applications" get used, and naturally the station wants lots of those to show the EEO folks.

One thing to remember though, EEO only covers hiring principles in the areas we all know...race, creed, color, sex or national origin. Those areas are not likely to expand on a federal basis. The remainder of employer regulations covering hiring are contained in either individual state regulations or the text of a union contract. On those issues, I can only speak to what is true in North Carolina, where I live. Union organization among broadcasters here is virtually nonexistent, so the issue falls to the state.

North Carolina gives employers a WIDE berth in how they may choose employees, what tasks they may require an employee to do and what personal habits they may require of employees. An employer has the right to fire an employee for any reason, or no reason. As long as the employer abides by applicable EEO and Federal Minimum Wage rules, has employees covered by Unemployment Insurance and Worker's Compensation, and pays the applicable share of Social Security, an employer may require whatever he or she wishes of employees. If the employees don't like the conditions of employment, they may quit, or better yet not even bother to apply for the job.

The specific case of religious organizations that own broadcasting facilities requiring these things of their employees has been tried, and upheld in court. You might not like the practice...I'm not sure I like the way most of them do it...but it IS allowed under the law.

As to the exclusion of Catholics, many...but thankfully not most...evangelical religious organizations believe that Catholic doctrine makes them heretics. Of course, that has been said of many such denominations through the years. Some groups say that Presbyterians, Methodists, Southern Baptists, Mormons, and even my crowd...Wesleyans...are not practicing "true" Christianity. If such groups own broadcast stations, they legally can use my denominational affiliation as a bar to employment.

I say to such...you are free in this country to practice your belief...I am free to practice mine. I will work elsewhere in this big, wonderful profession.

Later...
Matt Smith
WGSR-TV...also an assistant pastor
 
Matt Smith said:
WRCM is legally set up as a division of a religious organization, with full 501 (c) 3 designation as a non-profit organization. As an FCC-licensed facility, they are mandated to have full EEO compliance. EEO, however, specifically exempts religious organizations from the "creed" provisions of enforcement. As long as they can show good-faith efforts to hire according to the principles of EEO, the federal government will not take them to task over their hiring practices. That's where all of those "outside applications" get used, and naturally the station wants lots of those to show the EEO folks.

One thing to remember though, EEO only covers hiring principles in the areas we all know...race, creed, color, sex or national origin. Those areas are not likely to expand on a federal basis. The remainder of employer regulations covering hiring are contained in either individual state regulations or the text of a union contract. On those issues, I can only speak to what is true in North Carolina, where I live. Union organization among broadcasters here is virtually nonexistent, so the issue falls to the state.

North Carolina gives employers a WIDE berth in how they may choose employees, what tasks they may require an employee to do and what personal habits they may require of employees. An employer has the right to fire an employee for any reason, or no reason. As long as the employer abides by applicable EEO and Federal Minimum Wage rules, has employees covered by Unemployment Insurance and Worker's Compensation, and pays the applicable share of Social Security, an employer may require whatever he or she wishes of employees. If the employees don't like the conditions of employment, they may quit, or better yet not even bother to apply for the job.

The specific case of religious organizations that own broadcasting facilities requiring these things of their employees has been tried, and upheld in court. You might not like the practice...I'm not sure I like the way most of them do it...but it IS allowed under the law.

As to the exclusion of Catholics, many...but thankfully not most...evangelical religious organizations believe that Catholic doctrine makes them heretics. Of course, that has been said of many such denominations through the years. Some groups say that Presbyterians, Methodists, Southern Baptists, Mormons, and even my crowd...Wesleyans...are not practicing "true" Christianity. If such groups own broadcast stations, they legally can use my denominational affiliation as a bar to employment.

I say to such...you are free in this country to practice your belief...I am free to practice mine. I will work elsewhere in this big, wonderful profession.

Later...
Matt Smith
WGSR-TV...also an assistant pastor

Well stated, Matt. I was debating whether to post or not because I am a born-again Christian and have strong convictions about what has and hasn't been said in this thread. I don't want to see this become -- and I don't think it will -- a "flame-throwing" fiasco. I personally don't have an issue with WRCM's policies -- if I had an opportunity, I could very easily minister alongside with the staff at WRCM. "Ministry" I think is what sets most Chrisitian stations apart from secular broadcasters. It's as much, if not more-so a ministry versus employment. If ALL you're looking for in a broadcast career is money, then I suggest seeking a non-religious station.

Eric
 
Thanks guys for keeping this thread civil as well as informative. It's already gone a bit further than I feel comfortable. My Dad always said the two subjects to stay away from are religion and politics.

I do take exception to the comment ..."if all you're looking for in a broadcast career is money..." I think most of us got into broadcasting for more than just money. The reasons are many and it depends on who you talk to.

Let me just say that thee time I worked for both WNOW and WRCM I consider time well spent. I enjoyed a great relationship with the people at both stations. While a part of the motivation was money there was also the satisfaction of a job well done and helping a ministry that I considered a positive force in the world. Did they share all my beliefs? No, but I don't expect everyone to believe as I do.

The exclusionist language and requirements for employment disappointed me. Even if it turns out to be be perfectly legal under our laws. It's unfortunate that religion often divides us when it should unite us.
 
Jim said:
WRCM is a church on the air. Would you hire a Catholic Priest to preach in a Synagogue?

Ummmm No I would not, because he would not qualify. If I am not mistaken, a Synagogue is a Jewish place of worship is it not?

With no interest in starting anything flaming here, Jew's are not christians, catholics are. Therefore a Catholic priest would not qualify
to preqach in a Synagogue. The Priest believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, and Jews do not. Two totally separate religions worshipping the
same God but diverging after that.

Everyone here has good points, and this country was founded on allowing each of us to have our own beliefs and we should respect the beliefs of others.
 
Just to clear things up, I never intended to imply that a Catholic is not a Christian. I am an Irish Catholic from Boston!! HaHa! Bet y'all never thought that! I was an Alter Boy and played basketball for the church league and went to CCD every Wednesday! The family priest was always at the house after a family Christening. My point is, WRCM does not want and "atheist" on the air at a "Christian " station, just like you would not have a Catholic preaching at a synagogue. Does that make more sense? Sorry to get every one wound up. Oh, JimA , there is no hate here that I see. Just passionate opinions. It's all good.
 
Just to keep this thread from getting too heated, I wanted ask Mike Sheridan and others about WNOW. My mind is fuzzy on its history but WNOW was indeed a Vernon H Baker (a/k/a Positive Alternative Radio) station based in Blacksburg, VA, correct? There were a number of others on the AM dial, and most(if not all of them) were either at 1030, 1040, or 1050 on the AM dial, except for 1170 WCXN, Claremont(Hickory). In the past 10 years, most of these flipped to Spanish (and I guess were sold?), except for the AM in Bluefield, WV, which was Southern Gospel until it flipped to Sports a year or so back.
 
JimA said:
So sad that hate is still in NC in the name of "god"

There is something to be said for a ministry trying to maintain purity in the pursuit of their mission.
That is not the same thing as "hate" in the name of God or anyone.
 
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