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WRKL for sale

Looking at their 2.5 mV contour as drawn on the radio-locator website, WRKL could put a decent signal into some money areas of NYC's northern burbs and parts of north Jersey...maybe if it's programmed right, with English-language local news and talk of a kind they're surely not getting from WABC or WOR, it could even bill enough money to justify a seven figure price tag. If I were them, however, I'd want to look into the possibility of a power boost that could saturate their prime coverage area before making an offer (a broader pattern is probably not doable, but a highly directional blowtorch into Westchester, northeast Jersey and the Bronx might be, and might be worth the investment).

$3 million? Properly programmed, especially with a 5,000 watt directional signal into your prime target areas, you could make the station worth at least that much in time. All depends on whether you want to make the capital investment and the marketing push.
 
Bob1370 said:
Looking at their 2.5 mV contour as drawn on the radio-locator website, WRKL could put a decent signal into some money areas of NYC's northern burbs and parts of north Jersey...

Unfortunately, in today's world a 2.5 mV/m signal is woefully inadequate in a metro / urban area. Analysis of actual Arbitron at home and at work listening (75% of the total in NYC*) shows that it takes upwards of 10 mV/m to get any significant listening on AM.

* Derived from many years of diary data based on ZIP codes and coverage. While NY is a PPM market now, that does not affect the fact that CFLs, computers and other noise generators make any but the strongest AM signals unlistenable in urban areas.
 
Cosmopolite said:
In the early 90s Zev Brenner created All-Jewish programming for Rockland when he bought WLIR-1300. Today his Talkline Communications brokers on WSNR and WMCA.

As well as a weekly television show on WRNN (i.e. the channel that pretends to be a "news network" but that's another story for another thread).
 
DToTheJ said:
Cosmopolite said:
In the early 90s Zev Brenner created All-Jewish programming for Rockland when he bought WLIR-1300. Today his Talkline Communications brokers on WSNR and WMCA.

As well as a weekly television show on WRNN (i.e. the channel that pretends to be a "news network" but that's another story for another thread).

The ideal local solution (having lived in Rockland for 50 years) is for Brenner to buy WRCR (500 watts directional aimed at the orthodox community in Monsey and with a decent signal in to Monroe which is an area with a fairly large orthodox population) and for him to do a deal between the owners of WRCR and WRKL. I don't think WRCR is worth that much but to someone such as Brenner who is trying to serve a specific community, WRCRC would be perfect. Maybe as part of the deal they can relocate WRCR's towers to WRKL's property, although that might not work due to the 1300 in New Haven which WRCR has to protect. As of today WRCR has started to pick up some Haitian programing. there is a large Haitian population in Spring Valley. WRKL's issue with a power increase (they are running 4 towers at night, 2 during the day) is that they have to protect stations in Connecticut (WLAT, New Britan) and Pennsylvania (WBZU, Scranton).
 
KBBR-TV said:
Mike said:
Wll family radio be the new owner ?

I can guarantee that, this is like a godsend for them; an available AM signal.

The station is in Rockland County, and not even in the New York MSA.

It's 10 mV/m contour catches about 500,000 persons. It is of little or no value to Family Radio.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The station is in Rockland County, and not even in the New York MSA.

It's 10 mV/m contour catches about 500,000 persons. It is of little or no value to Family Radio.



Dear David:

I am not sure you are referring to WRKL (that's the problem with long threads, you lose track of who is responding to what), however I can assure you that Rockland County is in the New York Arbitron defined MSA.

Regarding the population covered in its various contours, while it is true that WRKL is not WCBS or WABC, it does reach over 3 million people in the 2 mV/m contour, over 9 million in the 1 mV/m contour, and over 13 million in the .5 mV/m contour.

I have been marketing the station for less than two weeks and therefore will not comment on any one particular company's interest in acquiring WRKL.

If anyone reading this board would like to see the offering descriptive memorandum for WRKL, send me an E-mail. My address is [email protected].

Thank you.


Bob Heymann
MediaServicesGroup.com
 
If I am remembering things correctly, the big rumor was that Polnet purchased WRKL (license, call letters, real estate, equipment, et. al.) from Big City Radio (Or was it still "Odyssey" at the time?) for $1 Million. I'm pretty sure it was in late 1998 or early 1999.

Nobody (And I was working/living in Rockland at the time) could believe they paid that much for it. But maybe they did.

Of course, it was the sale to Polnet that ended WRKL's legendary run as a local-oriented station. County officials were up-in-arms that there was not going to be a local radio station to inform the public of emergencies, school snow days, etc. In fact, it prompted the County Executive at the time to buy one of those government-operated radio stations way high up on the AM band to be used to broadcast emergency information.

WLIR (AM), the current day WRCR, tried to fill the gap but a) lacked financial resources, b) had a horrible signal outside of daylight hours, and c) lacked WRKL's heritage. Also at the time, WFAS-AM was full-on News/Talk with a localized focus that tried making inroads into Rockland. WHUD was already a strong multi-local presence for information.
 
I know it's the broker thing to do, list the total population... but the .5mV/m contour is nearly useless with all of the electronic noise and crap out there.

The station covers Rockland, Bergen and Westchester counties quite well, with northern Passaic counties.

Selling on the .5mV/m contour is like saying a walk in closet is a 4th bedroom in a 3 bedroom house.
 
Bob Heymann said:
Dear David:

I am not sure you are referring to WRKL (that's the problem with long threads, you lose track of who is responding to what), however I can assure you that Rockland County is in the New York Arbitron defined MSA.

Sorry, my bad. With it's 313,100 persons, I simply forgot that the county is in the NY MSA.

Regarding the population covered in its various contours, while it is true that WRKL is not WCBS or WABC, it does reach over 3 million people in the 2 mV/m contour, over 9 million in the 1 mV/m contour, and over 13 million in the .5 mV/m contour.

Based on a study in 6 of the Top 10 markets using Arbitron at home and at work listening during multiple years just prior to the introduction of the PPM, 95% of metro area listening is inside the 10 mV/m countour. WRKL's 5 mV/m contour covers just under 700,000 and the 10 gets under a half-million. Well under.

Since most of the 10 mV/m coverage is confined to Rockand County, with a little at the northern tip of Bergen County, the station will have to serve some identifiable need in Rockland to be successful, as the service area in today's RFI filled world of computers, CFLs and such just does not permit regular listening much beyond. And with 800 watts at night and a fairly steep interference free contour issue, those early sunsets and late sunrises restrict the facility even more.

I'm just saying that the signal is what it is, and in today's AM world, it takes more signal to cover less geography than ever before.
 
NewsStud said:
If I am remembering things correctly, the big rumor was that Polnet purchased WRKL (license, call letters, real estate, equipment, et. al.) from Big City Radio (Or was it still "Odyssey" at the time?) for $1 Million. I'm pretty sure it was in late 1998 or early 1999.

Polnet paid $1.625 million on a sale announce 08/98. Big City paid a round million for it when they bought it from Stu Sobotnick in '94.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Polnet paid $1.625 million on a sale announce 08/98. Big City paid a round million for it when they bought it from Stu Sobotnick in '94.


That's it. Thanks for the memory jog.

I remember when I moved into Rockland County and saw WRKL ads on the sides of public buses. WRKL had such a presence all over the place. And then, gone.
 
It's interesting to see how people evaluate the worth of a station based on either a 10, 5 or 2.5 mV/m signal strength.

It depends a lot on the kind of development you have in your prime market area.

If you're aiming at a highly urbanized area you want at least a 10 mV signal for an AM to cut through the noise from industrial and office equipment, and all the steel and concrete construction.

When you're talking about a more suburbanized area without the same density of development where the stores and offices are brick and the homes largely frame dwellings, like in most suburbs (and even a lot of neighborhoods in the outer boroughs of NYC), 5 is plenty and even 2.5 can be adequate--it's more than enough to cut through the noise for most car radios outside a typical urban downtown. A 5 kW signal will get you that much field strength at least 30 or 40 miles out from the center of town, and carry further than that if it's in the lower half of the band.
 
Bob1370 said:
If you're aiming at a highly urbanized area you want at least a 10 mV signal for an AM to cut through the noise from industrial and office equipment, and all the steel and concrete construction.

The main sources of noise today in residential areas are CFLs, conventional fluorescents and anything with a microprocessor, including tablets, computers, "computerized" home security devices, etc., etc.

That means... and the Arbitron data that was compiled when at work and at home ZIPs were both available... that, except for truly rural parts of a market, 10 mV/m is pretty much the minimum. Thus, that is where 95% of the listening to AMs in the markets studied took place.

If we are talking about significantly populated areas, there is not going to be any significant (redundancy intentional) listening outside the areas with that strength or greater.

When you're talking about a more suburbanized area without the same density of development where the stores and offices are brick and the homes largely frame dwellings, like in most suburbs (and even a lot of neighborhoods in the outer boroughs of NYC), 5 is plenty and even 2.5 can be adequate--it's more than enough to cut through the noise for most car radios outside a typical urban downtown.

Two problems... actual tabulations don't support that statement, and, further, in the NYC metro, only about 25% of listening was in the car when we had this data more fully broken out. If anything, noise levels are increasing, making the minimum signal issue even more significant.

A 5 kW signal will get you that much field strength at least 30 or 40 miles out from the center of town, and carry further than that if it's in the lower half of the band.

I live less than 20 miles, as the carrier flies, from a non-directional 10 kw station on 1140. In my home, it is unlistenable, and in the car on the street in front of my home it is noisy still. This station has a simulcast with a 5 kw AM on 970 at "the other end" of the market". That station, less than 10 miles from me, offers good reception but is lost 10 miles in the other direction. So it takes a 10 kw station on 1140 and a 5 kw station on 970 to cover a valley that is 45 miles long and 15 miles wide, on average... and they added an FM translator to fill in the gaps in coverage.

There are 8 AM stations in the market, and none cover more than about half of the market in the daytime. At night, it is vastly worse. Compared to a decade ago, the noise levels are considerably higher. And, additionally, the area is non-industrial with very little high density commercial or residential property. But it sure is noisy!

As noise levels increase (remember, incandescent bulbs are being phased out via legislation) due to electronic devices, poor maintenance of power lines, etc., etc., AM's usable coverage will decrease unless you live in an almost entirely rural environment and don't have modern electronics in the home.
 
It also depends on the ground conductivity. Look at some of the 5kW stations in the midwest and the coverage will blow your mind.

North Jersey, Rockland etc. have notoriously crap ground conductivity. Not as bad as Long Island, but not to the level of Indiana.

Power alone is not the whole story. It's antenna efficiency, ground conductivity and frequency that all factor into AM coverage. Oh yeah, the pattern too, obviously.
 
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