WRKO's Racism Will Not Be Deleted As Easily As These Posts

[Mickey37]

Patrick had a great line in tonight's (Thursday's) debate (heard on 90.9 FM), saying to Healey that he's been a prosecutor, a defense attorney, and thank God there are people who will defend those whom others might not, because that's how our system works.

Then he said "If you'd come off your high horse and see how things are really done (or soemthing like that) I'd show you around."

Great line. I still might vote for Grace, she had some good points once again, but it was a great line from Deval.

 

[johnster]

At least "Johnny"'s attack on Paul and Joe is an attack on two people courageous enough to put their identities out here. Too bad Johnny-lack-of-credibility refuses to do the same.

You keep falling back on this like it's some declaration of honesty or it makes you credible. The only reason you have nothing to loose is that you don't work in the business. But this board is also for people who do and it really doesn't make a lot of sense for them to disclose their identities. Especially because of the way you and others outside the arena attack and hurl accusations at so many people in the business past, present and future. I hear from so many folks that occasionally come here to check things out that would never dare post here because of what goes on here. And it's sad when you think what it could be if only a few bad apples could be weeded out. But here it seem real radio folk get tossed and the old apples just sour, turn brown and keep on posting.

As I recall Paul and you where outed before you started using your real identities. Then Paul was outed again after his ban from the previous owners. And then there is Jane Grant... thats not you Joe? oh never-mind.

The way you operate (and the board owners seem to condone..) I don't see how you can think it makes any sense for anyone in the business to post their identities or even attempt to discuss or defend many of the things you spout without fear of reprisals. So yes I guess in your mind that makes all of us wrong, whimps, Nik, Oedi or Paul. But perhaps it just means where in the business and your not.... nothing more.

 

[Varulven]

1)If you'd learn how to spell you might have some credibility - not total credibility, y'understand, but we'd give you some for taking the time to go to school before you post in public. A good reason for you to stay anonymous, don't you think, or do you?

2)"we're in the business", from what I've read the ex-WBCN crew, starting with Oedi, are all out of real jobs.
Since I've been on the BBC and VH1 this year, your claim that "you're" on the air and I'm not is ludicrous.

I have always been open about who I am since the new regime took over Radio-Info. You can accuse me of being many people, that's what you cowards with no name and no reputation do from the shadows, Jane.

to people like you who choose to go on the Kerry Healey attack all the time, with nothing substantial to say, (except to note that I'm on your mind), I'm glad you read me religiously. Keeps you off the streets.

 

[Mickey37]

people like you who choose to go on the Kerry Healey attack all the time, with nothing substantial to say.

Joe...you're mixing topics again. Please, stay on message, don't make someone's comments about you into an indictment on Healey supporters. You do have a certain style -- when you stay on message it's a good read.

 

[Casablanca]

Johnny, you confirm that the suits are not happy having "outsiders" review their actions. Seems that an outsiders view is clearer and unlabored by fear of losing one's "inside" job. As Jerry Williams often said of venal politicians that the scurry like cockroaches when you turn the light on them. Same here, venal radio suits and their minions scurry like cockroaches when we turn the light on them in this discussion board. Get used to it.

At least "Johnny"'s attack on Paul and Joe is an attack on two people courageous enough to put their identities out here. Too bad Johnny-lack-of-credibility refuses to do the same.

You keep falling back on this like it's some declaration of honesty or it makes you credible. The only reason you have nothing to loose is that you don't work in the business. But this board is also for people who do and it really doesn't make a lot of sense for them to disclose their identities. Especially because of the way you and others outside the arena attack and hurl accusations at so many people in the business past, present and future. I hear from so many folks that occasionally come here to check things out that would never dare post here because of what goes on here. And it's sad when you think what it could be if only a few bad apples could be weeded out. But here it seem real radio folk get tossed and the old apples just sour, turn brown and keep on posting.

As I recall Paul and you where outed before you started using your real identities. Then Paul was outed again after his ban from the previous owners. And then there is Jane Grant... thats not you Joe? oh never-mind.

The way you operate (and the board owners seem to condone..) I don't see how you can think it makes any sense for anyone in the business to post their identities or even attempt to discuss or defend many of the things you spout without fear of reprisals. So yes I guess in your mind that makes all of us wrong, whimps, Nik, Oedi or Paul. But perhaps it just means where in the business and your not.... nothing more.

 

[Varulven]

MICKEY, YOUR COMMENT SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT JOHNNY WHO, LIKE DJANGO, TRIES TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT

 

[Django]

I'll say one thing for Joe V. at least he doesn't bring up Jerry William's name like that mope just did for the 9,765th time. Apparently the thing I should do is sell out Casablanca than he'll worship me.

 

[Varulven]

improper use of the word "than", try "then".

The only way I'll "worship" you is if you look like a 20 something Pierce Brosnan and can keep your mouth shut in bed. If I had to listen to this from you all day and night I'd stay at my girlfriend's house. At least she's pretty, and knows how to hold a conversation.

 

[Mickey37]

I think Casablanca's nonstop drumbeat of venom aimed at 680 would have much more credibility if he could come up with one example of WRKO's racism.

Not some right-leaning comment, but a truly racist remark that has led to concrete action by an actual watchdog group.

It would be easier to see where you're coming from, Casablanca, if you told us why you no longer work at RKO. What were the circumstances of your departure? Did you leave before Howie Carr nudged Jerry Williams out the door?

I can see an ex-employee holding a grudge against a former employer, but really, it seems like this has become an unhealthy obsession for you

 

[Varulven]

Howie Carr's blaming the "towel heads" for the Oklahoma Bombing was bad reporting AND racism.

Howie saying he "touched the hand" of an AIDS person makes it sound like he's better than that individual (or that he thinks he can walk on water; haven't seen Carr leaving the Christian Science Church after a Wednesday night service, have you?). It's absolutely Archie Bunker bigotry.

The sad thing is that Carr doesn't know he's a racist, that's the worst kind. Ignorant racists! "Towel Heads" - and Homophobia drenched in David Scondras' soundbites - that's what WRKO puts on the air.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

venal radio suits and their minions scurry like cockroaches when we turn the light on them in this discussion board.

In your dreams. The only thing worse than your holding of a grudge for more than 20 years, which you pull out from under a rock at every opportunity, is the false importance you assign to this place, and your belief that the "venal radio suits and they minions" are deathly afraid of what you write here. If any of them even bother to read this board (which I seriously doubt; they actually have jobs, families and lives), their only likely reaction would be laughter at your obsessive-compulsive need to criticize them over perceived evils that don't exist in real life, or possibly astonishment that you waste your days and nights living in the past and squatting here to tell us all about it.

 

[Mickey37]

Crossing the t's, dotting the I's for a second, Joe -- I too have heard the bigotry. That's not racism, though. Racism is using a slur to refer to someone whose skin color is different than yours. Bigotry is thinking you're better than another ethnic group. It's a minor distinction, I realize, but an important one in this discussion. That's why I'm asking Casablanca to give examples of racism on WRKO. Not any other Entercom station, just 680.

 

[Varulven]

Yes, Mickey37, you are right, except that the "Towel Heads" are a different skin colour and that appears to have been an ethnic slur - a little beyond bigotry, definite racism.

Have not heard Scott Allen Miller or DePetro do that; the station is rife with homophobia though, they think it is a nice schoolyard stunt for their audience to constantly kick sand into the gay men and lesbians of the Commonwealth. Fineburg & Carr seem to be the most obsessed with all things gay

 

[Casablanca]

Actually, this poster knew Howie Carr before Mr. Williams did. Mr. Willams was a friend of this poster and you Mr. Carr are no Jerry Williams.
Suggestion: go to the Boston Herald Morgue and check out Carr's articles from the 1982.

I think Casablanca's nonstop drumbeat of venom aimed at 680 would
have much more credibility if he could come up with one example of WRKO's racism.

Not some right-leaning comment, but a truly racist remark that has led to concrete action by an actual watchdog group.

It would be easier to see where you're coming from, Casablanca, if you told us why you no longer work at RKO. What were the circumstances of your departure? Did you leave before Howie Carr nudged Jerry Williams out the door?

I can see an ex-employee holding a grudge against a former employer, but really, it seems like this has become an unhealthy obsession for you

 

[Django]

You really have no credibility Casablanca. You were asked a simple question to back up the racism charges against SAM and everyone has watched you dodge it.

 

[jane grant]

Scott Miller doesn't appear to be a bigot. Maybe a loyal employee.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Actually, this poster knew Howie Carr before Mr. Williams did. Mr. Willams was a friend of this poster and you Mr. Carr are no Jerry Williams.
Suggestion: go to the Boston Herald Morgue and check out Carr's articles from the 1982.

Suggestion: Stop your ceaseless name-dropping and answer the bleeping question already.

 

[NHRonin]

Howie Carr's blaming the "towel heads" for the Oklahoma Bombing was bad reporting AND racism.

Howie saying he "touched the hand" of an AIDS person makes it sound like he's better than that individual (or that he thinks he can walk on water; haven't seen Carr leaving the Christian Science Church after a Wednesday night service, have you?). It's absolutely Archie Bunker bigotry.

The sad thing is that Carr doesn't know he's a racist, that's the worst kind. Ignorant racists! "Towel Heads" - and Homophobia drenched in David Scondras' soundbites - that's what WRKO puts on the air.

"Towel Head" (Arabs) nor homosexuals are a race. As educated and intelligent as you believe yourself to be, I'm just plain shocked that you didn't know that.

 

[Varulven]

Theresa Heinz-Kerry would probably have a tough time proving in a court of law that she is being discriminated against for being African American. As with most "labels" in life - xerox starts off as the name of a corporation, now the definition also includes "copies" made on a copy machine. We don't call the copies "IBM" or even ICBM or Staples or Kinkos we call them "Xeroxes...as the terms morph into the language even non-words like "ain't" become acceptable and part of the fabric of life.

There is a thin line between modern definitions of "bigotry" and "racism", that line blurs more every day - both can lead to what are called "hate crimes". That's my perspective anyway, you're certainly entitled to yours.

Homosexual Arabs who hate their neighbors could be called "racist queens", but maybe those neighbors aren't a race of people but are actually Martians pretending to be caucasions! If we discriminate against Martians are we racists or bigots? Is it an Alien race? How do we know that they are physical and not spiritual entities that only look and feel physical? Would they be a race then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian


Here's a nice Republican site with some thoughts on my comments:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/25/103959.shtml

"Her black friends support her decision to call herself African American."

NH Ronin, let me put the mirror up: " As educated and intelligent as you believe yourself to be, I'm just plain shocked that you didn't know that!"

p.s. WRKO won't be discussing this concept anytime soon; Scott Allen Miller will not, Howie Carr doesn't know how to...

 

[Mickey37]

If we discriminate against Martians are we racists or bigots? Is it an Alien race? How do we know that they are physical and not spiritual entities that only look and feel physical? Would they be a race then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian

Joe, if I couldn't see you chuckling on the other side of the monitor, I'd think you've lost it