I was listening to the Rangers pregame show on KSKY on my way home. When it was time for the legal ID, I heard KESN Allen Dallas Ft. Worth not KSKY Balch Springs.
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Wrong ID
- Thread starter salemjedi54
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Oooops ... sounds like a KSKY board op was asleep at the switch. (The KESN ID must go down the line to the affiliates.)
I assume KSKY carries the Rangers when the Mavs are playing, then. Didn't know that.
I assume KSKY carries the Rangers when the Mavs are playing, then. Didn't know that.
Triple Fake Jerry said:
Yes KSKY does. That was announced when the Rangers moved to KESN. I think whats going is KSKY just pots up the feed from KESN and really is not monitoring the game. There is no reason for another stations ID to go down the line. You just take that pot out of audition or whatever is feeding the network.
KSKY didn't error when the ID played, it's aired as agreed.
KSKY brings the feed up via isdn, espn then plays everything (id's, commercials, bumpers) and KSKY just airs it.
It's espns broadcast, just coming from ksky's signal.
KSKY brings the feed up via isdn, espn then plays everything (id's, commercials, bumpers) and KSKY just airs it.
It's espns broadcast, just coming from ksky's signal.
DFW_Radio_2000 said:
So for 3+ hours KSKY is going to not properly ID itself and then let another station ID themselves....That does not make sense to me. Does the FCC allow that?
Obviously they must be OK, since this is the 3rd time this season it's happened, and John Peroya is signing off on it.
This isn't the first time it's happened (twice last week), nor will it be the last...if the Mavs play next Monday I guarantee it will happen again!
This isn't the first time it's happened (twice last week), nor will it be the last...if the Mavs play next Monday I guarantee it will happen again!
DFW_Radio_2000 said:
The next conflict will be on April 23. I understand about KESN is producing the games from their studios and KSKY just airing the games because of the Mavs conflict. I am just wondering why they did not cover up the ID, that's all.
salemjedi54 said:
Not to my knowledge.
salemjedi54 said:
hmmm maybe I misunderstood. The stations can ID over each other, just like a main station IDs on a translator, but the translator, or in this case, the station doing the rebroadcast, must ID itself. Regardless of if it IDs the other station or not. Are you hearing both stations ID? If so, that's legal.
radi0avenger said:
When the studio host paused for stations to ID themselves, I heard just KESN Allen Dallas/FT. Worth. I never heard KSKY Balch Springs. The ID for KESN went over the 660AM frequency.
If things were being handled the RIGHT way, KSKY would have a separate satellite receiver and SkyView box located at their facility (just like all the other affiliates on the Texas Rangers Radio Network.) SkyView, the network integrator and distrubution hub (located out of state) could send specific signals to run the correct ID, spots, etc to KSKY. However, I rather suspect KESN, in an attempt to not spend one SINGLE damned penny more than absolutely required, decided not to acquire a separate decoder for KSKY, and is simply feeding the output of their own SkyView box over to KSKY via ISDN. That would explain the KESN ID running on KSKY, since, so far as SkyView knows, they ARE feeding KESN. The entire Rangers broadcast operation is hosted and integrated at SkyView, with all IDs, spot insertion, and other breaks initiated there. KESN merely takes a Rangers Network feed. They may CALL themselves the Rangers "flagship", but in reality are just like any other rank & file network affiliate. Can you say major market radio?!?!?
It should be fairly easy to verify if the ISDN link presumption above is correct. Is the audio fairly degraded by the time it gets to your ears when the games are on KSKY? The paths are: ISDN from ballpark to SkyView, satellite hop from SkyView to KESN, second ISDN path between KESN and KSKY! Three sets of coding and decoding! There should be about a full second delay from real time, plus it all should start to sound pretty "gurguly" and awful from the multiple transcoding paths.
And that's just about what one would expect for this "new" KESN Rangers broadcast environment, considering who's in charge and how the decisions were made...yawn!
If you have noticed lack of quality in Rangers Radio this year (as many apparently have...including their very own TALENT!) let Tom or Friedo hear from you. Unfortunately, senior management is being kept very much in the dark about how things SHOULD have been done technically, all by other member(s) of their "staff"...who apparently have their own agendas in play.
It should be fairly easy to verify if the ISDN link presumption above is correct. Is the audio fairly degraded by the time it gets to your ears when the games are on KSKY? The paths are: ISDN from ballpark to SkyView, satellite hop from SkyView to KESN, second ISDN path between KESN and KSKY! Three sets of coding and decoding! There should be about a full second delay from real time, plus it all should start to sound pretty "gurguly" and awful from the multiple transcoding paths.
And that's just about what one would expect for this "new" KESN Rangers broadcast environment, considering who's in charge and how the decisions were made...yawn!
If you have noticed lack of quality in Rangers Radio this year (as many apparently have...including their very own TALENT!) let Tom or Friedo hear from you. Unfortunately, senior management is being kept very much in the dark about how things SHOULD have been done technically, all by other member(s) of their "staff"...who apparently have their own agendas in play.
Fly.....
Its hard to tell if there is some quality loss going from an FM to an AM signal. But reading the Rangers Website, the RANGERS produce the games...so that would explain your comment that KESN is merely an affiliate and not the Flagship of the network.
I don't know if the ID snafu happened again later in the broadcast, but hopefully the board op at the KSKY studio was paying attention.
Its hard to tell if there is some quality loss going from an FM to an AM signal. But reading the Rangers Website, the RANGERS produce the games...so that would explain your comment that KESN is merely an affiliate and not the Flagship of the network.
I don't know if the ID snafu happened again later in the broadcast, but hopefully the board op at the KSKY studio was paying attention.
DToTheJ said:
They do air the ESPN personalites game rejoiners
mic_check said:
So you are telling me that during a game that KSKY airs they LEGALLY BECOME KESN. Its not a matter of me liking it or accepting it, it just seems strange to me. Are there other instances of this in other markets?
Someone here is being dense or deliberately missing the point of the thread. I understand that KSKY is using a satellite or ISDN feed for Rangers games. What the poster is saying is that whomever is on the boards at Salem needs to hit the open microphone button when Eric Nadel calls for a station ID and say "KSKY Balch Springs" instead of letting the network ID with the (illegal) call of the flagship "KESN FM and HD Allen/Dallas/Fort Worth".
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