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What is the latest update with these two stations boosting their daytime power to 20kw?
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> What is the latest update with these two stations boosting
> their daytime power to 20kw?
>
I think someone has to buy wonx first that has the money to do the upgrade. That probably won't happen until the upgrade is approved. The first small piece of the upgrade was moving WMCW to WI. That didn't happen, so the license will have to be turned into the FCC for the WONX upgrade. Whatever the license in weston would have been worth won't be contributing to the deal.
I pesonally don't think WONX will ever be upgraded. Even if the FCC agrees to the upgrade, I doubt it makes financial sense today.
> their daytime power to 20kw?
>
I think someone has to buy wonx first that has the money to do the upgrade. That probably won't happen until the upgrade is approved. The first small piece of the upgrade was moving WMCW to WI. That didn't happen, so the license will have to be turned into the FCC for the WONX upgrade. Whatever the license in weston would have been worth won't be contributing to the deal.
I pesonally don't think WONX will ever be upgraded. Even if the FCC agrees to the upgrade, I doubt it makes financial sense today.
> What is the latest update with these two stations boosting
> their daytime power to 20kw?
WRTO is working on site and permit issues. It takes about 2 years to move an AM. In LA, it has taken nearly 18 months just to get the KFI tower than fell put up again in the same location.
>
> their daytime power to 20kw?
WRTO is working on site and permit issues. It takes about 2 years to move an AM. In LA, it has taken nearly 18 months just to get the KFI tower than fell put up again in the same location.
>
> > What is the latest update with these two stations boosting
>
> > their daytime power to 20kw?
> >
> I think someone has to buy wonx first that has the money to
> do the upgrade. That probably won't happen until the
> upgrade is approved. The first small piece of the upgrade
> was moving WMCW to WI. That didn't happen, so the license
> will have to be turned into the FCC for the WONX upgrade.
> Whatever the license in weston would have been worth won't
> be contributing to the deal.
>
> I pesonally don't think WONX will ever be upgraded. Even if
> the FCC agrees to the upgrade, I doubt it makes financial
> sense today.
>
From the pattern that the FCC site showed, the pattern would be severely directional, aiming almost all of the signal NE. It doesn't even look like it would cover the entire market the way it looks. I don't even know why they are trying to move it anyway. It doesn't make sense. I just wonder what the status is on WCGO. There's still 1 station licensed to Chicago Heights (WCFJ), so they could technically be relocated, but it's a daytimer, which might make it not eligible. Also with WCGO, I swear they don't power down at night because I get WCGO crystal clear at night, and they should only be 23 watts at night, and they shouldn't be heard in Gary at all at night.
>
> > their daytime power to 20kw?
> >
> I think someone has to buy wonx first that has the money to
> do the upgrade. That probably won't happen until the
> upgrade is approved. The first small piece of the upgrade
> was moving WMCW to WI. That didn't happen, so the license
> will have to be turned into the FCC for the WONX upgrade.
> Whatever the license in weston would have been worth won't
> be contributing to the deal.
>
> I pesonally don't think WONX will ever be upgraded. Even if
> the FCC agrees to the upgrade, I doubt it makes financial
> sense today.
>
From the pattern that the FCC site showed, the pattern would be severely directional, aiming almost all of the signal NE. It doesn't even look like it would cover the entire market the way it looks. I don't even know why they are trying to move it anyway. It doesn't make sense. I just wonder what the status is on WCGO. There's still 1 station licensed to Chicago Heights (WCFJ), so they could technically be relocated, but it's a daytimer, which might make it not eligible. Also with WCGO, I swear they don't power down at night because I get WCGO crystal clear at night, and they should only be 23 watts at night, and they shouldn't be heard in Gary at all at night.
M
mccay
Guest
the FCC denied WMCW's move to near Wausau. Moving WMCW is necesary to permit WONX to move both it's community of license and transmitter. I don't think WCGO or WKKD will be denied as there are other local operations in each of those towns.
They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW by stating the licensee should be the one who decides where the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect that if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any way and the community would loose regradless
I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at winning based on the character presented.
GR
> What is the latest update with these two stations boosting
> their daytime power to 20kw?
>
They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW by stating the licensee should be the one who decides where the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect that if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any way and the community would loose regradless
I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at winning based on the character presented.
GR
> What is the latest update with these two stations boosting
> their daytime power to 20kw?
>
> the FCC denied WMCW's move to near Wausau. Moving WMCW is
> necesary to permit WONX to move both it's community of
> license and transmitter. I don't think WCGO or WKKD will be
> denied as there are other local operations in each of those
> towns.
>
> They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW
> by stating the licensee should be the one who decides where
> the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one
> bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect that
> if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any
> way and the community would loose regradless
>
> I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at
> winning based on the character presented.
My understanding is they can simply turn in the license for WMCW. All they have lost is the economic benefit of selling the license in the wausau area.
They can do the same thing with KKD and CGO to upgrade WONX. Although even if the FCC approves wonx upgrade, who would build it? Probably only Newsweb and I think they are smart enough to realize WONX as is likely is a better money maker.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Link on 03/19/06 01:40 AM.</FONT></P>
> necesary to permit WONX to move both it's community of
> license and transmitter. I don't think WCGO or WKKD will be
> denied as there are other local operations in each of those
> towns.
>
> They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW
> by stating the licensee should be the one who decides where
> the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one
> bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect that
> if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any
> way and the community would loose regradless
>
> I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at
> winning based on the character presented.
My understanding is they can simply turn in the license for WMCW. All they have lost is the economic benefit of selling the license in the wausau area.
They can do the same thing with KKD and CGO to upgrade WONX. Although even if the FCC approves wonx upgrade, who would build it? Probably only Newsweb and I think they are smart enough to realize WONX as is likely is a better money maker.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Link on 03/19/06 01:40 AM.</FONT></P>
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RadioDoc
Guest
> > the FCC denied WMCW's move to near Wausau. Moving WMCW is
>
> > necesary to permit WONX to move both it's community of
> > license and transmitter. I don't think WCGO or WKKD will
> be
> > denied as there are other local operations in each of
> those
> > towns.
> >
> > They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW
>
> > by stating the licensee should be the one who decides
> where
> > the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one
>
> > bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect
> that
> > if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any
> > way and the community would loose regradless
> >
> > I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at
> > winning based on the character presented.
>
> My understanding is they can simply turn in the license for
> WMCW. All they have lost is the economic benefit of selling
> the license in the wausau area.
> They can do the same thing with KKD and CGO to upgrade WONX.
> Although even if the FCC approves wonx upgrade, who would
> build it? Probably only Newsweb and I think they are smart
> enough to realize WONX as is likely is a better money maker.
>
They can turn in the license, but until the FCC "deletes" it, someone else can rebuild the station. The FCC has essentially said that if they turn in the license, there is no guarantee that they can still build, since the FCC still makes that license available, and since it is the first service for that community it gets priority.
It would not surprise me that there are some people watching this like a hawk so that they may pick up the license for next to nohting.
The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
>
> > necesary to permit WONX to move both it's community of
> > license and transmitter. I don't think WCGO or WKKD will
> be
> > denied as there are other local operations in each of
> those
> > towns.
> >
> > They did commit a major blunder in their argument for WMCW
>
> > by stating the licensee should be the one who decides
> where
> > the station should be allocated. FCC didn't like that one
>
> > bit. FCC didn't like the statement made to the effect
> that
> > if the move wasn't granted, the plug would get pulled any
> > way and the community would loose regradless
> >
> > I expect them to appeal, but it's a very slim shot at
> > winning based on the character presented.
>
> My understanding is they can simply turn in the license for
> WMCW. All they have lost is the economic benefit of selling
> the license in the wausau area.
> They can do the same thing with KKD and CGO to upgrade WONX.
> Although even if the FCC approves wonx upgrade, who would
> build it? Probably only Newsweb and I think they are smart
> enough to realize WONX as is likely is a better money maker.
>
They can turn in the license, but until the FCC "deletes" it, someone else can rebuild the station. The FCC has essentially said that if they turn in the license, there is no guarantee that they can still build, since the FCC still makes that license available, and since it is the first service for that community it gets priority.
It would not surprise me that there are some people watching this like a hawk so that they may pick up the license for next to nohting.
The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
WONX-1590
>
> The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
>
You really think that the FCC would take into account the station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade? There have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going silent is the sole station in a community of license? Thats an unbelievable situation.
>
> The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
>
You really think that the FCC would take into account the station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade? There have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going silent is the sole station in a community of license? Thats an unbelievable situation.
J
jimerrico
Guest
Re: WONX-1590
> >
> > The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
> >
> You really think that the FCC would take into account the
> station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade? There
> have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade
> other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going
> silent is the sole station in a community of license? Thats
> an unbelievable situation.
If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
(105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is Evanston,
their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed, since
the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North Shore?
On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD and
also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North Shore.
AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a significant
loss for this area, even though the Kovas ownership abandoned
the city of license for foreign-language broadcasts well over
20 years ago. It would be a dream come true if a company like
NewsWeb were able to pick up this station and beam Air America
Radio, but I believe that is destined to remain nothing more
than a dream? I`ve also been informed that if Kovas abandons
the WONX signal, the station would go dark which would be the
worst possible scenario?
> >
> > The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
> >
> You really think that the FCC would take into account the
> station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade? There
> have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade
> other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going
> silent is the sole station in a community of license? Thats
> an unbelievable situation.
If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
(105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is Evanston,
their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed, since
the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North Shore?
On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD and
also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North Shore.
AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a significant
loss for this area, even though the Kovas ownership abandoned
the city of license for foreign-language broadcasts well over
20 years ago. It would be a dream come true if a company like
NewsWeb were able to pick up this station and beam Air America
Radio, but I believe that is destined to remain nothing more
than a dream? I`ve also been informed that if Kovas abandons
the WONX signal, the station would go dark which would be the
worst possible scenario?
Re: WONX-1590
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is
> Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed,
> since
> the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North
> Shore?
Harvard, IL.. COL of WMCW 1600.
-A<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is
> Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed,
> since
> the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North
> Shore?
Harvard, IL.. COL of WMCW 1600.
-A<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
K
k9ez
Guest
Re: WONX-1590
> > >
> > > The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
> > >
> > You really think that the FCC would take into account the
> > station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade?
> There
> > have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade
> > other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going
>
> > silent is the sole station in a community of license?
> Thats
> > an unbelievable situation.
>
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is
> Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed,
> since
> the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North
> Shore?
>
> On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD
> and
> also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North
> Shore.
> AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a
> significant
> loss for this area, even though the Kovas ownership
> abandoned
> the city of license for foreign-language broadcasts well
> over
> 20 years ago. It would be a dream come true if a company
> like
> NewsWeb were able to pick up this station and beam Air
> America
> Radio, but I believe that is destined to remain nothing
> more
> than a dream? I`ve also been informed that if Kovas
> abandons
> the WONX signal, the station would go dark which would be
> the
> worst possible scenario?
>
Actually you would have a better signal with 850 than you would with WONX upgrading.
Still dont understand why it would be a dream come true to hear some of AARs programs. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I dont think there are any plans to send 1590 dark.
> > >
> > > The WONX proposal may go nowhere fast now...
> > >
> > You really think that the FCC would take into account the
> > station going silent in regards to the WONX upgrade?
> There
> > have been dozens of AM stations taken silent to upgrade
> > other AMs. Is this the first case where the station going
>
> > silent is the sole station in a community of license?
> Thats
> > an unbelievable situation.
>
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is
> Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway. Perhaps KTA`s COL has changed,
> since
> the AM1330 signal is merely adequate along the North
> Shore?
>
> On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD
> and
> also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North
> Shore.
> AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a
> significant
> loss for this area, even though the Kovas ownership
> abandoned
> the city of license for foreign-language broadcasts well
> over
> 20 years ago. It would be a dream come true if a company
> like
> NewsWeb were able to pick up this station and beam Air
> America
> Radio, but I believe that is destined to remain nothing
> more
> than a dream? I`ve also been informed that if Kovas
> abandons
> the WONX signal, the station would go dark which would be
> the
> worst possible scenario?
>
Actually you would have a better signal with 850 than you would with WONX upgrading.
Still dont understand why it would be a dream come true to hear some of AARs programs. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I dont think there are any plans to send 1590 dark.
E
Ed_Walker
Guest
Re: WONX-1590
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway.
WKTA remains licensed to Evanston; its transmitter has always been
located at Dundee and Tri-State; though originally (as WEAW) it was
on the south side of Dundee Road, not the north side.
For WKTA, WOJO and WONX, Evanston is merely a city of license.
> On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD
> and also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North
> Shore. AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a
> significant loss for this area, even though the Kovas
> ownership abandoned the city of license for foreign-language
> broadcasts well over 20 years ago.
Both WNMP and WLTD were high-class radio operations really
targeted at Evanston and the affluent suburbs. Losing WLTD
when it was sold to Kovas was a big loss - THEN.
But to suggest that Evanston would miss AM 1590 after 20
years of foreign-language programming is silly. Not having
programmed to the city of license in all that time would result
in little "loss"; in the unlikely scenario that WONX would go
dark (its far too profitable with brokered programming) - the
real loss would be felt by all the various minority pockets that
listen to WONX.
> It would be a dream come true if a company like NewsWeb were
> able to pick up this station and beam Air America Radio
Might be your dream - but AAR sounds barely a notch above college
radio - just my opinion and has nothing to do with politics.
And putting AAR on the air changes the dynamics of the way the station
is marketed to advertisers - suddenly placing it in the running for
the same general market revenue that the big downtown signals go
after - a long haul for a little stick.
It becomes a someone's cause or a labor of love rather than a
sound business decision. Not that "causes" or "a labor of love" is
bad - it just requires deep pockets and may never yield a return on
investment.
> I`ve also been informed that if Kovas abandons the WONX signal,
> the station would go dark which would be the worst possible
> scenario?
I think you've been misinformed. WONX is profitable. The most
likely scenario is that the station is sold. Especially with
Frank's death. All I see right now is the company playing out the
plan that Frank laid out.
I still wouldn't be surprised if Kovas does take WMCW silent
in its attempt to upgrade WONX (because its profitable). The
FCC might get pissed - but their own rules allow for such things.
Just my opinion - I could be wrong.
> If this is Evanston we`re speaking of, there is also WOJO
> (105.1) and WKTA (1330), even though KTA`s COL is Evanston,
> their transmitter is out near Wheeling on Dundee Rd. and
> the Tri-State Tollway.
WKTA remains licensed to Evanston; its transmitter has always been
located at Dundee and Tri-State; though originally (as WEAW) it was
on the south side of Dundee Road, not the north side.
For WKTA, WOJO and WONX, Evanston is merely a city of license.
> On the other hand, AM1590, now WONX and before that WLTD
> and also WNMP, is a powerhouse signal on Chicago`s North
> Shore. AM1590 has existed since 1947 and it would be a
> significant loss for this area, even though the Kovas
> ownership abandoned the city of license for foreign-language
> broadcasts well over 20 years ago.
Both WNMP and WLTD were high-class radio operations really
targeted at Evanston and the affluent suburbs. Losing WLTD
when it was sold to Kovas was a big loss - THEN.
But to suggest that Evanston would miss AM 1590 after 20
years of foreign-language programming is silly. Not having
programmed to the city of license in all that time would result
in little "loss"; in the unlikely scenario that WONX would go
dark (its far too profitable with brokered programming) - the
real loss would be felt by all the various minority pockets that
listen to WONX.
> It would be a dream come true if a company like NewsWeb were
> able to pick up this station and beam Air America Radio
Might be your dream - but AAR sounds barely a notch above college
radio - just my opinion and has nothing to do with politics.
And putting AAR on the air changes the dynamics of the way the station
is marketed to advertisers - suddenly placing it in the running for
the same general market revenue that the big downtown signals go
after - a long haul for a little stick.
It becomes a someone's cause or a labor of love rather than a
sound business decision. Not that "causes" or "a labor of love" is
bad - it just requires deep pockets and may never yield a return on
investment.
> I`ve also been informed that if Kovas abandons the WONX signal,
> the station would go dark which would be the worst possible
> scenario?
I think you've been misinformed. WONX is profitable. The most
likely scenario is that the station is sold. Especially with
Frank's death. All I see right now is the company playing out the
plan that Frank laid out.
I still wouldn't be surprised if Kovas does take WMCW silent
in its attempt to upgrade WONX (because its profitable). The
FCC might get pissed - but their own rules allow for such things.
Just my opinion - I could be wrong.
Re: WONX-1590
>
> Harvard, IL.. COL of WMCW 1600.
>
> -A
> Yeah, Wonx is not going anywhere. I am sure its amazingly profitable.
My question was will the upgrade to WONX not be allowed because of the loss of the only local service to Harvard IL (wmcw 1600 harvard). I think its an amazing situation given the fact that dozens of AM stations have been taken silent to allow another AM station (in this case wonx) power increases.
If the owner understood that aspect, then the whole thing was just a 1/2 A$$ upgrade IMO. He didn't make the effort to find a new frequency for WMCW. Not that it would have been easy.
>
> Harvard, IL.. COL of WMCW 1600.
>
> -A
> Yeah, Wonx is not going anywhere. I am sure its amazingly profitable.
My question was will the upgrade to WONX not be allowed because of the loss of the only local service to Harvard IL (wmcw 1600 harvard). I think its an amazing situation given the fact that dozens of AM stations have been taken silent to allow another AM station (in this case wonx) power increases.
If the owner understood that aspect, then the whole thing was just a 1/2 A$$ upgrade IMO. He didn't make the effort to find a new frequency for WMCW. Not that it would have been easy.
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