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WRVU...er WFCL "Another 0nes About to Bite the Dust?"

TheBigA said:
Mike Stroud said:
The "inconsistency" you are referring to is indicative that most listeners like yourself are acclimated to format radio.

First of all, you're assuming I like format radio. Regular readers of my posts know that I don't. But the fact is that the Vanderbilt students, who paid for the operations of WRVU, apparently didn't like the programming on their college radio. A simple look at the ratings of other Nashville stations would show that the commercial stations, such as Lightning 100 and others, enjoyed a large student audience. My post was in response to the opinion that students don't listen to OTA radio. The facts say that assumption is wrong. But they specifically didn't listen to WRVU because of the programming, which was mainly done by non-students. In my view, the station was poorly run, and ignored the people who paid the bills. That's why it was sold. Not because students don't like OTA radio. And as I said, I have no reason to believe they'll listen in any larger numbers to the new online station as long as it continues the style of programming done on air. The advantage is it won't cost as much. And having access to a "wider audience" doesn't matter if those outside of Nashville don't know the station exists. As one who's programmed online stations, I can tell you it's easier to attract an audience for an OTA station than one that's online, regardless of the tartget demo.

I know we're running headlong into the danger of over-analyzing this to death, but let's break things down here. You claim that WRLT gets a high share of student listeners, from Arbitron or whatever source you have. We know, however, that WRLT is an anomaly in a market of Nashville's size, being independently owned and not part of a group. Unlike most commercial outlets now, WRLT has the freedom to exploit niche audiences like college kids. If you can prove that the stations under the Clear Channel, Cumulus, or whatever groups have a similar demo, I would be happy to grant you your point. But I think WRLT is a special case.

Now, as for WRVU, there is merit in the belief that the station was not well run by its so-called "e-staff." The culture of college radio smacks of a lot of elitism as in-group terms like that suggest, but it also has a large share of participatory democracy, something unknown in other media, public or commercial. When the station's management changes every year due to graduation, a college outlet runs the risk of getting unqualified people in key positions such as program director, as well as having continuity problems. The PD, above all else, is likely to cater to what he or she and his or her friends like, not necessarily what is good from a critical standpoint (music criticism means nothing in this day and age, where everybody can get his or her two cents in about an artist or band). Peer pressure does not always make for good decisions, but sometimes it does. That "hit or miss" quality is endearing to college (and community, a la WRFN) radio fans but is an attribute that makes things irritating to practically everybody else (along with formats changing every two hours, sometimes without explanation).

A more complete diagnosis of the whole student attitude situation is that the DJs were not really representative of the tastes of the student body, which are almost certainly much more conventional--Top 40, Hip-Hop, and so on. The WRVU staff just wasn't making a connection with their peers, something I know you and I agree about. I am afraid that any incentive for things to improve was taken away with the sale. Who knows, an online-only WRVU might make it, but as you say, it certainly won't if the DJs don't eat some humble pie first.
 
First off, what are the chances of an actual Vandy student getting a PPM? Those 25 and under don't sit around and listen to any radio "like we did." They will spend more time with their own music (iPods, etc.) and online sources (Pandora being the outdated model to many of them) and very little time listening to 100.1 and virtually no time with RVU. Why? This generation is all about instant gratification, self-programmed musical choices. They play their own music to themselves and their friends and radio will see more of this truth pile on in the next five years. When's the last time you went to a party and anyone had any radio station on that wasn't in radio? It's rare.

The beauty of old school college radio was that there was an advisor, usually some communications instructor, who signed off on the license and generally never had a clue what really was happening in the station or on the air. The fact that the PD or MD was not experienced was what made listening "the experience." WM0T was a station run by MTSU's professors with minimal interaction with students. A different type of radio.

What WRVU had was a small, but loyal group of middle aged listeners that held on to their experiences in radio at Vandy or elsewhere, and were willing to tune in and just see what the hell actually was playing. Much of the time it was a quick tune back out reaction, but these folks never gave up on RVU, nor did they ever expect anything but just the fact that 91.1 was never constant as 91.1's only constant.

A true, real radio station has been silenced. I like to give Big A grief, just as fun, but he's right...(this time 0NLY :)) --- it's nearly impossible to have any real success with internet radio and while a few students and die hard listeners will check it out a bit, WRVU online will be a disaster, because the very students that didn't listen to radio, will never listen to this online and playing to no one is a miserable waste of time for the students and Nocks of any college radio world. The silence is not enjoyable. The real issue here was that it really didn't made sense to sell this paid for, inexpensive to operate frequency because the listeners will be just as happy listening online. This will end up being of the best snow jobs ever pulled off by the less than experienced in real media faculty that just seems to have preferred inflicting their elite will and way on bunch of people they never cared to know, understand or certainly listen too. FCC approved FM radio licenses don't come available everyday. Internet radio is a dime a dozen and generally that's what it's worth.
 
Mike Stroud said:
I know we're running headlong into the danger of over-analyzing this to death, but let's break things down here. You claim that WRLT gets a high share of student listeners, from Arbitron or whatever source you have.

I mentioned WRLT, but the specific station wasn't my point. The issue is whether or not college students listen to OTA radio, and the fact is they do. The problem is they chose NOT to listen to WRVU, and the reason is obvious: It was a badly programmed radio station. I don't care about the reason. But the former owners said students don't listen to OTA radio, and used that to justify the sale. That's not true. Had the station been better programmed, with more attention given to the interests of the student body, the station would have attracted more student listeners. Instead, the majority of the programming was done by alumni and community members, and ignored the interests of the students. Bad idea, and any college station that does this is in danger of meeting the same fate. But don't blame OTA radio.
 
Mike Stroud said:
Mark my words: WRVU will probably cease operations entirely within two years. And this time, no one will raise hell about it, because no one will notice.
The proper outcome.
 
anotherguy said:
Although I'd guess WRVU listeners would rather still have their station on the main frequency rather than online and HD3, at least they'll still have that option. When Trevecca sold WNAZ to Bott, staying online was shot down by Trevecca and putting it on an HD subchannel wsan't even considered. But then I got the impression that neither Trevecca nor Bott cared if WNAZ was allowed to stay on somehow. BOtt wanted the stations and Trevecca wanted the money, and nothing else mattered.
I said it with WNAZ, and the same applies for WRVU listeners. Anyone who was a donor to WRVU should demand a refund.
I think I quit giving money to WNAZ sometime in the late '90s, when they decided that they wanted to go after a teenaged audience. We see how well that worked for them once the $$$ dried up! ::)

At any rate, it's probably been too long for me to request a refund now! ;D
 
I have good memories of WRVU FM;however, they go back to the dreaded early seventies. lol Not dreaded early seventies for me mind you, but I know that others think of this period as lack of programming focus, a lack of supervision and basically a radio on the cheap era where long haired Hippies programmed their owned music. lol

I once had some air checks of WRVU where one of the DJs outroed a Spooky Tooth record and went right into "Let the sky fall" by Ten Years After. Wonderful radio! When the Mohawk Guys came in, I quit listening!

Oh well. :)
 
When the Mohawk Guys came in said:
That was when the station was at it's best. Many bands owe and have admitted they owed their success to WRVU to launching their careers. In particular a lot of local music like Jason and The Nashville Scorchers, Questionnaires, Walk The West, Praktical Sytlists and even REM credits WRVU as the first to play their music. That kind of platform no longer exists in this town. You just have to hope some suit sitting in a big city behind a big desk likes your music.

Nock
 
Nock said:
When the Mohawk Guys came in said:
That was when the station was at it's best. Many bands owe and have admitted they owed their success to WRVU to launching their careers. In particular a lot of local music like Jason and The Nashville Scorchers, Questionnaires, Walk The West, Praktical Sytlists and even REM credits WRVU as the first to play their music. That kind of platform no longer exists in this town. You just have to hope some suit sitting in a big city behind a big desk likes your music.

Nock

Back in the early days of around 1970, the signal was very hard to receive East of downtown. I'm not sure when it started to happen, but WRVU went into their full blown alternative type format somewhere around 81 or so as I recall.It does appear to be and end of and era for WRVU though! I Seem to remember ScottWMRO posted on here that He and a staff of Volunteers ran the station or helped run it during the summer season. That might have been 80 or 81.

Back in the early seventies, they did not always run a midnight shift. I remember hearing Jim Batton on WRVU one Sunday evening playing Black Sabbath and other hard edged rock. This harder edged genre was pretty much coming into it's own so to speak. There were many underground rock stations that did not like to play the harder stuff. When stations did play the Uriah Heeps and Black Sabbaths, it was usually very very late in the evening. Batton was also working at WKDA FM.I think Batton was doing the 7-midnight show over on WKDA FM. One of the FM jocks at KDA FM left suddenly as I remember and Batton slid right into that slot for a time. I am thinking this was the summer or early fall of 1970 when I heard Batton on WRVU. I wish some of the jocks would post their experiences on here about those days!
 
SwissVol, this isn't exactly what you asked for, but it might help a little

http://www.440int.com/440sat.html

The site used to list all the dj's and radio stations and you could scroll or find. I don't see where that is possible now-
 
D Dean said:
SwissVol, this isn't exactly what you asked for, but it might help a little

http://www.440int.com/440sat.html

The site used to list all the dj's and radio stations and you could scroll or find. I don't see where that is possible now-

TY D Dean. I must say that this caught me by surprise. I know some of you al learned about WRVU thing before I did. As I said about WRVU the signal was very poor. I had to attach a coat-hanger to a microwave when the Jupiter was..... well you know what I mean. LOL

I used to get a huge kick to hear these young future radio air personalities. Some of them were quite good. They would say anything at times. LOL Sometimes it sounded as though parties were going on in the studio. It was really fun.
Anyway, for years they were known as 91 rock!
 
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