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WSBG's Gary in the Morning out over comments

They're toast... Nassau should just sell them while they can gey any money at this point.. 6 months from now, will be a different story. Radio wasteland...
 
kingofrock said:
...Radio wasteland...

Radio was a wasteland long before they fired Gary...

You can tell it's bad when you can get a station's entire playlist on an Ipod with only 256Mb... :-\
 
Gary should be out, Imus should be out and anyone who lives by the sword should not be allowed to throw up the "excuse my mistake" defense. Hey, if no one made a big stink over this.. If Michael Richards had gotten laughs instead of booos when he tried to run off at the mouth in LA, do any of you think they would have come out and apologized the next day? No way.. Imus, Stern and others push the envelope daily. calling people names, degrading people, and living on the edge is their life and blood. No mulligans here... you guys messed up.. swung for the fences and stuck out big time. It's hard to be funny all the time, but real talent can do it. When's the last time you heard Bill Cosby use and expletive in a routine. Steve Martin and Jim Carry can make you laugh just by their facial expressions. Bob Newhart was as deadpan as can be, but funny as ever without the use of racial slurs, put downs or foul language. When you want big bucks you become controversial... but don't start stepping back and saying "hey, I never ment to say that...my mistake.. i'm as claen as can be..." Bull crap.. if the ratings increased, they'd step it up unil the next speedbump. This wasn't written down for him to read... it ws out of his head.. what he was thinking and hoping would be funny.. but no one is laughing!
 
I'm from Alabama, but I just wanted to chime in...

Imus and Stern are no different from George Wallace -- the most racist governor in Alabama history -- a man who used racial slurs and hate speech just to get more power, but did nothing to improve Alabama. In the same way...they'll do whatever it takes to get more listeners. Other than making people mad, they have ZERO talent. And they know it.
 
I don't know anything about Nassau or who Gary even is, but as far as Imus goes...we all love to jump on a bandwagon if you ask me. "Oh, it wasn't right, he shouldn't have said so-and-so." Well that may be the case but it happens to be a free country and if someone wants to get on the radio and call the Rutgers girls basketball team a bunch of "nappy-headed hos" they're free to do that. He didn't break any laws. He won't be going to jail. The only pressure on Imus is from above with a small "a".

The heat is all about "I'm his boss and I'm not going to be complicit or even neutral because it's going to cost me money." There's no room for self-righteousness or playing the morally superior angle. It's radio, the last place anyone ought look for the moral high ground.

The noise is all about fear of loss of revenue, period.

Advertisers are bailing out...which never lasts by the way or Howard Stern would be wondering where his next meal is coming from...and CBS and MSNBC and everyone else can all play the empathy card but in the end if advertisers were to say "I'll pay double what I used to but I have to get my ad on that show" it would take about two seconds before we saw "The Nappy-Headed Ho Show" on CBS and MSNBC.
 
Nokmo True, you read my mind. I could not have said it any better. Enough P.C. crap. We are free to speak what is on our minds without fear of repurcussion or penalty. I'm a nappy headed ho, and proud of it. Sue me! If I lose one sponsor, I'm sure there will be two eager to jump into the lime light. IMHO. Sorry if I hurt your feelings...not!
 
He'll go to Satellite which has little FCC control, and make more money than before. Just like Howard. Imus 1 Rutgers 0 Nappy Heads -1. JMO.
 
Gentlemen It's My Turn,

I wonder if WSBG was your license would you defend Gary? Easy to say yes when you don't have a license to broadcast. Right Jeff?

Radio stations are licensed by the FCC as public trusts. Over the past eleven years I have defended Gary numerous times, sometimes to my detriment. Gary Smith has previous suspensions for crossing the line. This is not a first. I consider Gary Smith a friend and I hope he still considers me a friend. However, this is not a suspendable situation. Gary fanned the flames of an already tenuous situation with full knowledge of what had already occured with Imus, how stupid. This is where show prep would have helped. I do not believe Imus will survive either.

We will announce a replacement for Gary early next week; Imus will also be removed from WVPO. This will cause Nassau a big loss in revenue as we are doing this in the Spring book. This is not a stunt, this is serious business.

That being said, I have employees who work and live in the Poconos and to them I say hold your head high despite what may be said. We will prevail.

Kindest Regardsm
Rick Musselman, COO/EVP Nassau Mid-Atlantic
 
Gees,

Gary is now getting national attention about this Imus mess too.

I wounder now, were his next gig will be???

I guess Nassau did something good here with the P.R..

The e-mails have started here in the Poconos and NW Jersey about boycotting WSBG sponsors and not buying radio ads, becasue of Garys firing.

Gees
 
Hey Rick!

Looks like you stepped in it again, didn't ya? I wonder if Nassau could do something correctly even if there was only one choice to be made. Your termination of Gary just made your Pocono properties totally irrelevant. Congrats on that.

This really isn't a Gary issue...or an Imus issue. But more one of having a spine and of an appropriate response. Special interest groups with shrill voices are always around, and your response to this particular 'group' only gives them more power. Sure Gary deserved something, maybe a couple of weeks off or the dreaded 'sensitivity' courses. BFD. In the big picture WSBG hasn't seen this much publicity ever. The Nassau response: Kick the golden goose out the door.

I'd like to say that I'm not revelling in your troubles, but I am. Your response to me on this board some time ago evaporated the considerable respect for you that I had held for so long. Ask anyone on that.

Good luck with that rebuilding thing.

Jeff
 
Several years ago I interviewed for the PD job at WSBG. At that time I discovered that Gary was working at least two jobs just to put food on the table. Suffice it to say that working for WSBG was not (at that time anyway) one of the best paying gigs one could expect. When I found out what they were willing to pay me for my efforts I promptly turned down the subsequent offer of employment.
That being said, all I can add is that Gary obviously didn't think this thing through. Imus has lost his deal with MSNBC and the jury is still out on his future with CBS Radio. But the big difference is that no matter what happens with Imus, he will still have a job in the business. If CBS cans him somebody else will pick him up in a heartbeat, probably giving him an even sweeter deal than he has now. That's star power. Gary on the other hand will be remembered for his 15 minutes of fame at WSBG and then promptly forgotten. He screwed himself and he should have thought about that before opening his big mouth. I'm not implying that Imus was right either. What he said was just as dumb and he should have known better. The difference is that Imus did it off the cuff and Gary obviously thought about it in advance. Dumb, dumb, dumb
 
mussels said:
...I wonder if WSBG was your license would you defend Gary? Easy to say yes when you don't have a license to broadcast...

Since your company just renewed the license less than a year ago you have more than six years to go before it has to be done again. We both know you won't even be around to worry about it again. As far as the FCC pulling the license because two or three people complain about a remark is ridiculous and we both know that also.


mussels said:
...This will cause Nassau a big loss in revenue as we are doing this in the Spring book...

So you either loose revenue by suspending him for two or three weeks or loose revenue by firing him. Looks like a loose-loose situation either way. Problem is the decision was made so quickly no one has any idea which way would have been more profitable.

mussels said:
...I have employees who work and live in the Poconos and to them I say hold your head high despite what may be said. We will prevail...

And your loyalty will be rewarded with...?

That said - I'm not defending Gary or wishing to trash him. My point is that when you have a conflagration, the last thing you want to do is fan an already volatile situation. Best thing in most cases is to stop, stand back and watch - not forever mind you - but just long enough to better understand where the fire is spreading then fight the fire from there. Once again it appears your fire fighting equipment is at the wrong end of the building. :-\
 
Mussels,

I worked under you at one time and I remember you doing some promotions that I saw as downright unconscionable... like "Listen to our station to win a Corvette! Yes win your hot wheels at XYZ Station" only to have you inform us when we get the potential weekly winners in the parking lot, you would award an actual HOT WHEELS racing toy to the winner! When we balked that this would be unfair and cause an unroar in our community and among listeners, your response was "hey there's no such thing as bad press!" If there no such thing as bad press, enjoy the limelight!
 
mussels said:
Gentlemen It's My Turn,

I wonder if WSBG was your license would you defend Gary? Easy to say yes when you don't have a license to broadcast. Right Jeff?

Radio stations are licensed by the FCC as public trusts. Over the past eleven years I have defended Gary numerous times, sometimes to my detriment. Gary Smith has previous suspensions for crossing the line. This is not a first. I consider Gary Smith a friend and I hope he still considers me a friend. However, this is not a suspendable situation. Gary fanned the flames of an already tenuous situation with full knowledge of what had already occured with Imus, how stupid. This is where show prep would have helped. I do not believe Imus will survive either.

We will announce a replacement for Gary early next week; Imus will also be removed from WVPO. This will cause Nassau a big loss in revenue as we are doing this in the Spring book. This is not a stunt, this is serious business.

That being said, I have employees who work and live in the Poconos and to them I say hold your head high despite what may be said. We will prevail.

Kindest Regardsm
Rick Musselman, COO/EVP Nassau Mid-Atlantic

Rick--

I'm a peer of yours in a different but similar market, so please don't dismiss this without at least a bit of consideration.

You've had a few days to reflect on the Gary Smith incident. And here's at least part of what you've seen...

You've seen & heard the Imus incident discussed, analyzed, & dissected endlessly on dozens/hundreds of other radio stations, TV stations, TV networks & cable networks. In virtually every case, the talking heads have quoted Imus verbatim, sometimes gravely... but often jokingly--as Gary Smith did. None of these hundreds of other broadcasters have been fired. Only Gary Smith.

Imus hasn't been fired. Only Gary Smith.

Given this time to reflect, it would be within the normal range of responses for a person in your position to reconsider the termination, ask to meet with Mr. Smith to discuss the intemperate nature of such remarks whether first-hand or second-hand, and perhaps extend an opportunity for reconciliation... and a return to WSBG. Along with a joint announcement stating Nassau's sincere desire to be fair with all employees as well as responsible stewards of the public airwaves.

Will you be seen as a wimp? Nope. You'll be seen as an intelligent & compassionate executive with more than your share of wisdom.

Meantime, you've gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PR for WSBG to kick off the Spring book, and Gary's return to 'SBG will be greeted by listeners with more enthusiasm than any million-dollar giveaway ever would.

So, yeah, you & Nassau will come out smelling like roses. That's nice. But best of all, you'll have generated the kind of Street Buzz that all of us dream about... but rarely happens.

Think about it.
 
jackandcoke said:
...extend an opportunity for reconciliation... and a return to WSBG...

If that were to happen it might also cause a bigger boycott. Everyone will be saying "See - told you so. It was nothing more than a publicity scam.” I know I would. And never again would I even consider listening to or advertising on WSBG because of it.

jackandcoke said:
…Along with a joint announcement stating Nassau's sincere desire to be fair with all employees as well as responsible stewards of the public airwaves…

Would this announcement be before or after you pull Mr. Smith out from under the bus?

jackandcoke said:
…You'll be seen as an intelligent & compassionate executive with more than your share of wisdom…

You are kidding in this one, right?

jackandcoke said:
…Meantime, you've gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PR for WSBG to kick off the Spring book…

Which would be excellent if there was a viable product to kick off.

jackandcoke said:
...Gary's return to 'SBG will be greeted by listeners with more enthusiasm than any million-dollar giveaway ever would…

Really? Can you be positively sure of that statement?

jackandcoke said:
…you & Nassau will come out smelling like roses…

Just make sure those roses haven’t been in the vase too long. Ever smell rotting roses?
 
jackandcoke said:
Rick--

I'm a peer of yours in a different but similar market, so please don't dismiss this without at least a bit of consideration.

You've had a few days to reflect on the Gary Smith incident. And here's at least part of what you've seen...

You've seen & heard the Imus incident discussed, analyzed, & dissected endlessly on dozens/hundreds of other radio stations, TV stations, TV networks & cable networks. In virtually every case, the talking heads have quoted Imus verbatim, sometimes gravely... but often jokingly--as Gary Smith did. None of these hundreds of other broadcasters have been fired. Only Gary Smith.

Imus hasn't been fired. Only Gary Smith.

Given this time to reflect, it would be within the normal range of responses for a person in your position to reconsider the termination, ask to meet with Mr. Smith to discuss the intemperate nature of such remarks whether first-hand or second-hand, and perhaps extend an opportunity for reconciliation... and a return to WSBG. Along with a joint announcement stating Nassau's sincere desire to be fair with all employees as well as responsible stewards of the public airwaves.

Will you be seen as a wimp? Nope. You'll be seen as an intelligent & compassionate executive with more than your share of wisdom.

Meantime, you've gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PR for WSBG to kick off the Spring book, and Gary's return to 'SBG will be greeted by listeners with more enthusiasm than any million-dollar giveaway ever would.

So, yeah, you & Nassau will come out smelling like roses. That's nice. But best of all, you'll have generated the kind of Street Buzz that all of us dream about... but rarely happens.

Think about it.

J & C,

Interesting. The Gary & Imus debacle that Nassau now finds itself in the center of just serves to highlight Nassau’s library of problems. I’m not too worried about Gary. As with other Nassau ‘terminations’ he is much better off being out of the company. A new and better job will be found by Gary and he will doubtless wonder why he stayed with the Death Star so long. I know others who feel that way…in spades.

Can I still say spades?

Anyway, Uncle Rick’s hollow claim of ‘rebuilding’ WSBG is laughable on its face. Pardon my saying, but their bench is kind of light, if you get my drift. The connection Gary had with his audience and the community was legendary. I defy anyone to come even close to repeating it.

The whole thing will just be fun to watch, which I guess is the point of these forums. In fairness, Nassau isn’t the first to shoot itself in the foot. It just seems that many are wondering just how many feet the company has left.

To Rick’s credit, I do realize the broader implications of Gary’s actions as it relates to Nassau. This transgression (if not previous ones) could make Nassau liable for damages should some whiner …oops, I mean ‘victim’ choose to sue the company for their deep distress. Once or twice and Nassau could get a pass by saying it simply had no way of predicting his behaviour, but now Nassau could be on the hook for big dollars. A sad state of affairs, for sure.

If it was all a scam, then you got me…and several thousand others. I would be the first to congratulate Rick on a wool well pulled. I would laugh it off, but not so sure about others.
 
I don't think its a scam Jeff, they aren't that bright to pull one off like this... I think we can agree on that..
Just another bone headed knee jerk reaction, with a hint of bottom line salary dump... I worked here, I have a pretty good perspective of how it works, which is basically, what have you done for me today. Nassau treats its employees like crap, in horrible working environments (ever see their buildings in Easton and Stroudsburg, disgusting is the word that comes to mind.. very unprofessional..) Everything gets sacrificed for the bottom line, including loyalty to its employees, who they demand so much of, and give so little in return. Despite Rick Musselmans eloquent diatribe, bottom line is.. well the bottom line. Nassau is awash in a sea of Red Ink... Revenues are down, ratings are down. Staff is pared down so much, and on the technical end, they have let alot of things slide because of a lack of qualified manpower. In short, this cluster is a mess, and its only going down hill from here... May I para phrase AC-DC, a band Mr. Musselman once tour managed in the 1970s... No stop signs, no speed limits, nobody gonna slow her down, They're on a Hiway to Hell!!! And its getting pretty crispy there as we speak. And as Jeff says, I revel in it too, they treated me so pi$$ poor, its good to see Karma in action... Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.....
 
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