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WSJS stopped online streaming?
- Thread starter dustintv
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What do record comapnies have to do with WSJS ... they are staright up news talk ... no music ??
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dittohead1
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WSJS was streaming? Since when? I haven't seen any such thing on their web site in several years.
dustintv, you must be confused. WSJS was not streaming and HAS not streamed for years as said above. Corp decision for past owners to just not deal with it. Didn't make sense since AM stations, unlike FM, can really benefit from streaming.
BTW the whole reason streaming stopped years ago had more to do with the announcers, the union, and spots cut and paid for locally or regionally now running nationally. The announcers wanted the national rate for their local spot since it was now heard all over the country. The music issue is a late comer and was not the original road block.
BTW the whole reason streaming stopped years ago had more to do with the announcers, the union, and spots cut and paid for locally or regionally now running nationally. The announcers wanted the national rate for their local spot since it was now heard all over the country. The music issue is a late comer and was not the original road block.
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xpd
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Most stations stopped their streaming back in 2000 and 2001 when AFTRA signed a new contract giving union talent large royalty payments for AFTRA produced commercials run on streaming.
The inability to easily track those commercials plus the extra expense it would cause to make the payments caused most stations to suspend their streaming until they could come up with an alternative solution.
That solution became technically feasible with software that allowed stations to insert only locally produced commercials into the stream when the station was playing a local break. That is why just about all streaming stations play separate commercials in the stream when the station takes a commercial break.
But there was a silver lining in the problem and the solution. Now stations have a new revenue source. They sell separate commercials during the streaming break essentially getting paid for 6 minutes worth of commercials during a 3 minute break. It is still a small source of income but it is growing and becoming a significant source of new income for stations.
The inability to easily track those commercials plus the extra expense it would cause to make the payments caused most stations to suspend their streaming until they could come up with an alternative solution.
That solution became technically feasible with software that allowed stations to insert only locally produced commercials into the stream when the station was playing a local break. That is why just about all streaming stations play separate commercials in the stream when the station takes a commercial break.
But there was a silver lining in the problem and the solution. Now stations have a new revenue source. They sell separate commercials during the streaming break essentially getting paid for 6 minutes worth of commercials during a 3 minute break. It is still a small source of income but it is growing and becoming a significant source of new income for stations.
One of the major problems with WSJS streaming these days is the amount of syndicated stuff they are running. They would only be able to stream live 6am - Noon and 6 - 7pm unless they secure permission from Rush, Hannity, SNR, O'Reilly and CTCAM.
Of course, they could get a TiVo Version 1, record the 6am - Noon segment and repeat-play it over the internet to cover the rest of the dayparts. But then, no heavily-syndicated news-talk station has ever done such a thing to my knowledge. Those stations just whine about why they can't stream during such-and-such hours.
Later....
Matt Smith
WGSR-TV
Of course, they could get a TiVo Version 1, record the 6am - Noon segment and repeat-play it over the internet to cover the rest of the dayparts. But then, no heavily-syndicated news-talk station has ever done such a thing to my knowledge. Those stations just whine about why they can't stream during such-and-such hours.
Later....
Matt Smith
WGSR-TV
XPD,
Hey - you know your business ... post more .... this board could use some more intelligent posts like that .... many of the posters here are just angry. However this topic was full of intelligent thought ... nice change
Hey - you know your business ... post more .... this board could use some more intelligent posts like that .... many of the posters here are just angry. However this topic was full of intelligent thought ... nice change
WSJS streamed about 80% of all content until it was purchased by CBS/Infinity from Clear Channel. The station even had permission to stream Rush in the CC days.
On the music licensing question, SJS and most talk stations, have a "Per Prorgram License" that allows unlimited incidental play of licensed music (up to 60 seconds) but does not allow "featured" play without declaring the quarter hour and reporting the actual song played. There is a fee charged for Rush's program since he often uses song parodies in a featured way. They also report Sunday morning airplay and have to submit a quarterly report.
Fee is actually based on a % of revenue like blanket license stations (music formats) but the formula is different. Conceded quarter hours weighted depending on day-part.
Total budget for music licenses for a station like WSJS is in the neighborhood of $80,000 annually. Again, depends on the previous year's gross revenues AND the formula negotiated by the ownership group!
On the music licensing question, SJS and most talk stations, have a "Per Prorgram License" that allows unlimited incidental play of licensed music (up to 60 seconds) but does not allow "featured" play without declaring the quarter hour and reporting the actual song played. There is a fee charged for Rush's program since he often uses song parodies in a featured way. They also report Sunday morning airplay and have to submit a quarterly report.
Fee is actually based on a % of revenue like blanket license stations (music formats) but the formula is different. Conceded quarter hours weighted depending on day-part.
Total budget for music licenses for a station like WSJS is in the neighborhood of $80,000 annually. Again, depends on the previous year's gross revenues AND the formula negotiated by the ownership group!
Under Mel, CBS/Infinity had a policy against streaming. CBS began streaming their NT stations in later 2003 and 2004, but WSJS was not included in the deal. Started as an oversight at the corporate VP level, then once they decided to sell the market, they weren't about to invest in the hardware.
The original WSJS streaming was done by Broadcast.com (later Yahoo Broadcast) on a barter deal. Honestly, it was one of the sweetest barter deals around. Five units a week, they provided the computer, software, broadband internet connection and router!
Actual streaming was done in Texas. Signal was sent from station to central distribution point. The number of streams available were determined by the demand.
The original WSJS streaming was done by Broadcast.com (later Yahoo Broadcast) on a barter deal. Honestly, it was one of the sweetest barter deals around. Five units a week, they provided the computer, software, broadband internet connection and router!
Actual streaming was done in Texas. Signal was sent from station to central distribution point. The number of streams available were determined by the demand.
Christopher Chenn said:dustintv, you must be confused. WSJS was not streaming and HAS not streamed for years as said above.
No kidding, after reading all these replies I'm beginning to think whatever I did was a delusion...
They had been podcasting... is that what you were thinking of?
Yes they were. Good catch Josh. Some of the local info was Podcast.They had been podcasting... is that what you were thinking of?
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