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WSJT continues to tank. Any thoughts. Wonder if CBS thinks it has a future? Glad Q105 is pulling back up. I would hate to think that HAL over on 107.3 has more fans, although their music is really starting to diverge from each other again.
 
The launch of Hot 101.5 killed any chance WSJT had. At this point, they were actually doing better with Smooth Jazz.
 
deals3rd said:
The smart move is to make it an urban a/c asap. Don't wait for a Christmas switch, move now!!

Urban AC would do too well. It would cast a shadow over WILD even from a weaker signal. I imagine that egos directly connected with WILD would never allow such a move to occur in their back yard.
 
If that station makes it past July 4th without flipping formats I'd be stunned. Same cume, lower rating. They'r not holding what little audience they have left. Am I the only one who's noticed a lack of Play billboards? All Hot and FLZ, no promotion money going in to the venture.

Does CBS have the balls (and strikes) to go all sports like they should have last time around? WDAE is vulnerable.
 
radiodork said:
If that station makes it past July 4th without flipping formats I'd be stunned. Same cume, lower rating. They'r not holding what little audience they have left. Am I the only one who's noticed a lack of Play billboards? All Hot and FLZ, no promotion money going in to the venture.

Does CBS have the balls (and strikes) to go all sports like they should have last time around? WDAE is vulnerable.
WDAE is vunerable, but not by any Tom, Dick, or Harry, who wants to put a Sports Talk on FM just to put it on FM.

If some of these migrations have shown us anything, it is that already strong stations are helped by the simulcasted signal. Those stations with weak formats to begin with, have not shown to benefit just because it is an FM signal.

I listen to the Rays, Bucs, and Bolts on FM because I have the choice to do so, I would be listening to them on AM if that was the only choice, as with AM Tampa Bay.

WXTB HD-2 is not a dependable choice for me. In trying it, I have awakened to 98Rock on more than one occasion. Not my choice anymore. The artists need a music appreciation course.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
anatharadiorefugee said:
deals3rd said:
The smart move is to make it an urban a/c asap. Don't wait for a Christmas switch, move now!!

Urban AC would do too well. It would cast a shadow over WILD even from a weaker signal. I imagine that egos directly connected with WILD would never allow such a move to occur in their back yard.


Why couldn't they sell it as a package?
 
MsMusicRadio said:
anatharadiorefugee said:
deals3rd said:
The smart move is to make it an urban a/c asap. Don't wait for a Christmas switch, move now!!

Urban AC would do too well. It would cast a shadow over WILD even from a weaker signal. I imagine that egos directly connected with WILD would never allow such a move to occur in their back yard.

Why couldn't they sell it as a package?
Would you buy it?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
If I could buy 94.1 and 98.7, I sure would. I would convert one to Fifties Oldies and the other to Bluegrass/Classic Country. But if CC can market Mix and FLZ together, why would Urban AC and Rhythmic CHR be a contradiction?
 
radiodork said:
If that station makes it past July 4th without flipping formats I'd be stunned. Same cume, lower rating. They'r not holding what little audience they have left. Am I the only one who's noticed a lack of Play billboards? All Hot and FLZ, no promotion money going in to the venture.

Does CBS have the balls (and strikes) to go all sports like they should have last time around? WDAE is vulnerable.

I've saw a Play billboard in Pasco County on U.S 19 just south of the Hernando County line. In Hudson to be exact.
 
I've seen a few Play billboards around Pinellas County, not to mention the ads inside Tyrone Square Mall. Not as many billboards as Hot 101.5 seems to have, though.

I'd imagine you'll see less and less promotion of 98.7 as time goes on. By now CBS Radio must see it as a non-starter.
 
How about AAA for 98.7. That or as MsMusic saided Classic Country.

Or how about AAA mixed with Classic Alternative. I mean mixing K.T Tunstall and Adele with The Smiths and R.E.M wouldn't hurt. No other stations in Tampa will be playing that music. Other then extensive music testing CBS could also use AOL and LastFM to see what people want to hear. Just don't make it a musical trainwreck. Like mixing those artists with 3 Doors Down or Creed.
 
badjef said:
MsMusicRadio said:
anatharadiorefugee said:
deals3rd said:
The smart move is to make it an urban a/c asap. Don't wait for a Christmas switch, move now!!

Urban AC would do too well. It would cast a shadow over WILD even from a weaker signal. I imagine that egos directly connected with WILD would never allow such a move to occur in their back yard.

Why couldn't they sell it as a package?
Would you buy it?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!


It seems to be working in Orlando with WCFB-FM & WPYO-FM. In fact, both stations revenues and ratings are thriving.
 
Play is a good station wedged narrowly in a tremendously difficult competitive situation. I'm not sure if CBS thought their launch would stave off Cox from debuting a straight-ahead CHR and stealing their thunder, but in retrospect, they probably should have rolled out Play as a mainstream CHR from the get-go.

I don't believe Hot is doing anything particularly inventive. They essentially forced Tampa to accept them as a player by smack-talking MJ/FLZ and spending absurd amounts of money...neither of which were approaches exercised by CBS/Play. It worked, but that alone doesn't make the product amazing IMO. Play's morning drive show far outstrips Hot and Mix, and although I'm an FLZ fan, I'd argue that it's better than MJ at this point.

I wonder if Play needs to refocus musically. I love the idea of a CHR-formatted station that focuses on adult material, but the niche they're catering to - somewhere in between Hot AC and CHR - might be too narrow. Mix's pure Hot AC strategy is working, and part of that is playing a much wider library than Play (although Mix almost verges on being all-over-the-place). Hot has found success with a limited playlist - actually, I think a 64-song playlist is completely ridiculous - but you can get away with that with a more rhythmic, younger-skewing CHR format.

This post meandered a little bit, but in summary, I hope Play sticks around because it frankly deserves better. Out of the four stations competing most closely - Mix, Play, FLZ, and Hot - I feel FLZ and Play have the most programming richness. Of course, if CBS doesn't spend Cox-esque money to get the word out, which it doesn't seem they are, that inhibits them immediately.
 
deals3rd said:
It seems to be working in Orlando with WCFB-FM & WPYO-FM. In fact, both stations revenues and ratings are thriving.

The Orlando market is 40% Hispanic and African-American. Tampa Bay is a little over 20%. Much harder to sell.
 
Thanks Parttimer.... it's funny how often we have to mention the difference in demographics between Orlando and Tampa Bay on this board. He's right folks.... that's why in the Orlando area there's at least 3 "Spanish" leaning/speaking FMs, 3 stations doing some form of urban, and only one rock station.

As far as Play.... they're really in a tough spot and it's a shame they took so long to get a good morning show on there. From the few people I know that have listened to it, they say it's pretty good. It's fresh sounding and not old and tired like MJ. However, I think Play is suffering from the age old image of "we really want to be a cool CHR, but we're actually a hot AC" station. The demos they're playing too is very narrow.... but if they're selling it that's all well and good. BUT... with total numbers below a 2.0 and now with Wild appearing to be taking some loss to Hot, change may ultimately be on the way over at CBS. I just don't see how they can justify numbers that low on that frequency. If it was a Cox jukebox... maybe. But with a decent size air staff in today's radio biz; I just don't see it as sustainable.

Maybe the hope a year ago was that the low rated Mix would finally give way to a simulcast of WFLA.... but based on the trends around the country, I really think Mix is here to stay and 98Rock could be the odd man out. ...And I don't care what the numbers for 98Rock say... if WFLA begins to suffer, they'll almost be forced to put em on the FM somewhere.

As I always say, the key is in the sales numbers. If they can continue to sell a turd, it's gonna continue to stink up the joint.
 
Parttimer said:
deals3rd said:
It seems to be working in Orlando with WCFB-FM & WPYO-FM. In fact, both stations revenues and ratings are thriving.

The Orlando market is 40% Hispanic and African-American. Tampa Bay is a little over 20%. Much harder to sell.

Yes Orlando's demo compositon differs from Tampa; however, the urban a/c format is extremely advertiser friendly. It does well with national dollars as well as with local direct sales. Perhaps, the market is happy to give all those dollars to CC!
 
You would have figured smooth jazz would have been good for that signal. Ever since they serve the coastal areas a lot better. I know when I lived in Brandon it was very hard to get them. Even on a car radio. I just think that smooth jazz would do well for the beaches because it's about relaxing and whatnot.
 
austingrace said:
You would have figured smooth jazz would have been good for that signal. Ever since they serve the coastal areas a lot better. I know when I lived in Brandon it was very hard to get them. Even on a car radio. I just think that smooth jazz would do well for the beaches because it's about relaxing and whatnot.
People don't listen to the radio when they are swimming, and if they are asleep on the beach, they aren't listening very carefully, either.

They are relaxing!

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
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