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WSM/AM Bitterness?

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Jason Tomlin-WSM midnights
while i have just registered, i have monitored the board for sometime now and i feel compelled to give what will probably be my first and only post. and i am not sure where to even begin........
i personally know some of the people on this board, many of them worked at WSM at one time or another. and the "nashville radio" people that i do not have the pleasure to know personally, i respect and have listened to for years. (Romer etc) these are not necessarilary the people i shall be addressing......
why does it appear that this board (ESPECIALLY when it comes to WSM) is jammed full of people that just talk out of their ass? people that sound like they have NO CLUE, not only about WSM, but radio in general? is it necessary to keep discussing the same topic(s) over and over again?
how many times, and from how many different newbies, is a post gonna be made that states "I wish Gaylord hadn't sold....this and that..... what ? 95? 99.7? tnn? cmt? opryland?

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, GAYLORD SCREWED UP A FEW YEARS AGO. THEY SOLD A BUNCH OF STUFF THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE. AND THEY CLOSED A THEME PARK. THIS IS NO LONGER NEWS!
i am talking years ago, they did this folks....years ago, not last week....i hated it then, and i hate it now. i am sure that 98% of us on this board hated it. when you bitched about it then, it made no difference. and it sure makes even less difference now. GET THE HELL OVER IT. they know they made a mistake, and they fully realized it when they attempted to change the format of WSM-AM. by then, it was too late to right the wrongs, and they just decided to leave well enough alone and let WSM/OPRY fend for itself. also, the CEO of Gaylord got multiple death threats, and i hear still to this day will not travel to Nashville without a security detail. so by letting the controversy "die down", they figured WSM would "die down" in short order.....once again the minds at Gaylord are wrong, cause WSM is going nowhere.
and it appears many, many of the members here are right there with em, just waiting for it to die......
is it jealousy? envy? is the bitterness too much for some of these people? the people i am referring to, wouldn't know a true "classic" country song if they had to play one. they probably have never heard even a quarter of the music that WSM has to offer. what gives these people the right to condemn the station to the smithsonian graveyard? what gives them the right to sit back and "armchair program" the most prestigous country station of all time? it has been proven that there are many members who come here and post all kinds of "facts" that they believe to be true, or they make up just to get into the conversation. someone recently got their hand called on this......a truer post was never typed concerning the "crap" that was being discussed.
the last time i checked, there was a HUGE difference between 50,000 watts and 1,000 watts.
what i don't get is the 1,000 watt station owners, and the radio boys of the board, the out of towners that say stuff about people over/under 65: these people that are so dead set on am being dead? then why bother? when all there is to choose on the am dial is talk, and ABC satellite music feeds that dont even have local jocks,where you have to type a zip code in to get information then yes am WILL BE dead.....according to some, we are already at that point?
perhaps, a "fact finding" mission is in order.
obviously there are many that do not realize the history and background of the station. this again, has been proven time and time again. i doubt some of the people here, even listen on a regular basis, if they did then they wouldnt be posting some of the stuff they post. what does it say as broadcasters, how does it make us look to other broadcasters, to sit here and discuss how it's gonna happen? like vultures flapping their wings in the distance? how stupid........how pathetic.
many of the posts sound as if they cannot wait until the Opry goes off the air.....1925. that's 82 years. just how many people on this board were alive in 1925 when the station signed on? just how many people were actually listening when the Opry signed on a month later?
i am still waiting on an answer........
it amazes me that anyone in this business, especially in NASHVILLE, would not want to see the historical program and station that carries it continue forever. given the misinformation of some other posts, perhaps there are people that do not realize it( The Opry) is indeed the longest running CONSECUTIVE program in the history of broadcasting. there is NOTHING in the entertainment field that can touch this. no newspaper columns have went this long with the same writer. magazines? tv hasnt even been on the air that long. come on people......KDKA, WABC.....there are about 5 or so stations that can claim any type of historical significance. i mean REAL Pioneering historic significance. we have one of them in Nashville. and the opry actually makes it the most prestigous. why would anyone in broadcasting, especially another station owner, want to see this happen. why would anyone even entertain the thought that it could/would happen?? why would radio people not be proud to even work in the same town, as such a broadcasting legend?? i mean KDKA can only sign on the air one time, after that all that mattes is that they stay on the air.....everyday they are on the air is history in the making.....same goes for WSM, every saturday night that show comes on the air, it is history, and the other few broadcasting legends left.....may you keep what little heritage you have left. .any other kind of negative mindframe IS the problem with radio today. everyone forgets where they come from.....everyone except WSM. someone made the remark that the horse was replaced with the train. that is in fact true. but did we start killing all the horses off? the train was replaced by the airplane? so what, do we go around derailing all of them now? HELLO< IS THIS THING ON??
WSM is NEVER gonna go away. the Opry is NEVER< NEVER gonna go away. not in our children's lifetime. those that think no one is listening to the radio on saturday night, are much bigger fools than they let on. i suppose SIRIUS decided to pick them up because they had an extra channel to fill.......the only reason they did not re-new a contract was so they could pay Howard Stern. this is a fact. they lost way too much business when they dropped WSM. and i suppose the fact that XM picked them up means nothing either.
WSM is poised to go into the next 82 years, again, as a pioneer. i feel, when the merger is over, and all the beds are made, WSM will be back on satellite full-time. WSM will be offered on any type of internet radio package that comes down the pike too. when the small 1,000 watt stations are long gone, it is nice to know there will still be an old dinosaur that our grandchildren can listen to. it will not have to die off.....
again, i know everyone on this board that works at WSM.....i do not recalll seeing any outsiders at any staff meeting in the last couple of years, so i am not sure where the group gets their figures on the amount of money that is being made by WSM. are there a bunch of gaylord stockholders in this group? WSM is making money....plain and simple. has been for a few years now. maybe not as much as the next fellow, and ratings do say something, but not everything.......you have to sell the demographic. but wait, have you guys figured out what that is yet?
it is a shame to know there are folks around here, that would just pull the plug.
some of the posts are dead on......news. god knows, they need more news. sales......that is all changing with the departure of cumulus JSA. music? ya'll need to get a life.......it would take 5 years to play all the music WSM has......and that is without repeating a song. and the sad part is, some people think they would recognize every song, and if they didn't they would say it did not belong. i stress that Merle Haggard has forgotten more songs in his life than say: bon jovi, sheryl crow, rob thomas, or kelly clarkson have ever charted or recorded. classic country is too broad to categorize with just 2 decades....and it is NOT just the songs YOU grew up listening to.......WSM is doing something that NO ONE ELSE, ESPECIALLY in Nashville, is doing.....catering to any and all age brackets with something.....it is called a niche. i GUARANTEE that is not being done by any other station in Nashville. WSM caters to the person that has been listening all their life, whether that be 1 year 2 years or 82 years. they listen to WSM because they can actually hear something different than any other station in town, or the country!
now i may have went too far in some areas, and not far enough in others, and i really didn't meant to write this much, nor to offend those that i have undoubetdly offended. but the truth hurts sometimes.
how many of us here that are worried about the opry have actually patronized the establishment in the last few years? do you just listen when it strikes you once or twice a year? how many people have contacted a sponsor and thanked them for their ads on the radio?? we all know how beneficial that can be to an advertiser and a station......have you taken a friend from out of town to the opry? or have you just sit back and spoke of "well, if cumulus had done this and simulcasted this, and if they had let me run the place from the lazy boy, and if SM95 had never came along".........
there are those that are hell bent on all the opry stars dying off? the opry just added 2 members BOTH over the age of 75.
the top 10 most eligible "Bachelors" in country music, well 5 of them are over the age of 40.....what does this mean? the class of 89 are now all close to 50 or over 50. and magically they are still ALL making records.
5 years ago, that would have never been said. Country, like all other formats, is struggling. but it is taking a turn in another direction, and i want to come back to the board in 2 or 3 years and see where the nay sayers are sitting then.
Bottom line: the negativity about am radio and WSM is absurd. only a fool cannot see that is was here way ahead of any of us, and shall remain when we are gone. i fault no one for their opinion, but it is the mixing of fact/hogslop that i see should quit. Cumulus does not nor have they ever, nor will they ever own and operate WSM-AM. 95.5 WSM-FM will never carry the opry/simulcast, they are no longer affiliated in any way with the opry......give up on that idea. when AM dies, so will FM. the same reasons that many feel am is dead now, are the same reasons that people will abandon fm in 10 years when satellite is commonplace. come on, huh?
so is it jealousy? what makes many people in this group so down on such a legend? hey you aint gotta like the music, not everyone does....whats that saying, don't hate the player, hate the game?
i am more than glad to discuss this with anyone that feels they want to say something. i know there are some problems with WSM just as there are other stations, but they are getting better all the time. constructive criticism is good, i am open to it. but i am not much for listening to bunch of people badmouth something, and then still get it wrong.......does track record not mean anything now? cause it did, when i got into radio.
 
ROFL. Jason must have not had to sign the same kind of confidentiality agreement (16 pages of shhhhh!) that I did. I guess everyone has a Jerry McGuire moment once in a while and we've witnessed his!

Seriously, there is a WIDE assortment of experience on this board and I'm not sure everyone is at liberty to throw their identity up there like Jason has. The Opry discussion did go a little overboard and there is a lot of pro-FM, pro-AM, etc. opinions. I will just say this..never ever ever say NEVER. There are a lot of people who thought Gunsmoke would stay on the air forever. Gas will never go above $2! Etc. etc. etc.

Does that mean AM will go away? Who knows. We can merely go with the flow and be prepared for anything. We adapt or we get left behind.
 
I was watching TV the other day, Fox 17, and during whatever show I was watching a little box came up on the screen promoting "The Andy Griffith Show". I even worked in one market where forty year old Andy reruns replaced the 10PM news on a CBS affiliate. Some things like the Opry will never die, and will cease to amaze some. Jason has some very legit points in his rant, but invalid ones as well that I'll let someone else argue. Everyone here has to hand it to him for speaking from his heart. Let's face it, if everyone in the business had that much passion for their product and believed in it like that, there would be no need for such negativity and naysaying on these boards. Yeah, terrestrial radio, both bands, are in a pickle. I think it's going to take real passion, on both sides of the speaker to bring it back to what it should be and could be again. Along with many others, I'm taking a breather for now and hope to return when the waves aren't crashing so hard. Kudos to Jason for such an impassioned, and thoughtful post.
 
Jason,

I don't have a dog in this fight. Just wanted to say that I listen to you all the time up here in Cincinnati during the overnight. You sound much older and seasoned than your age. (That's meant to be a compliment.) I was surprised to go to the WSM web site and see such a young face!

OK everyone...continue the discussion...
 
What galls my goat is whenever a station changes formats, we on this board predict said format's failure before the station ever gets a chance to prove itself on its new format. Example: 97.1. I don't want to see them fail under their new format, but I was indeed glad to see the tower fall because the tower just wasn't building them up! (There I go using those analogies again!) ;D At the same time, when I was growing up, radio station owners and managers weren't so trigger happy to change formats at the first sign of trouble! So there is enough blame to go around on both sides of that ledger! Of course, in the rural area where I grew up, about all they had to choose from was top 40 and country! ;D If there were two stations in your small town, one was top 40 and the other was country. About all they could do was trade formats with each other! ;D
 
Re: 2008-1925 = 83,

firepoint525 said:
D Dean said:
but who's counting?
I think it was October of 1925, so they haven't had a birthday yet. I have a November birthday, so I know all about being a year behind in school, behind everyone else who was born the same year I was.

AWWWWW.......Wake me up Buddy, Chris, Jason, Tibbs, when they bring out the birthday cake for WSM-AM. I'll eat a good portion with a big glass of Grand Ole Arbor Mist!
HEEEEEHAWWW..........I love it, I'll gain 10 pounds!
AND
play Charlie Rich's......Hey, Did you happen to see the most beautiful Girl in the World. Now that is a great song. I like the Silver Fox's Voice!

Scott
 
please leave me out of these half-fact discussions....
I don't have a dog in this hunt.
 
Responding to what Jason said:

I wasn't here when SM95 was on the air, but I really enjoyed listening to the recreation of it on Live365. We could use a modern-day equivalent of SM95 on the air now. So many of their songs don't get played anywhere now!

When 95.5 adopted the call letters WSM-FM (and Scott would need to tell you what year that was because again, I wasn't living here yet), that implied in the minds of listeners that WSM-FM was at the very least, a continuation of the heritage of WSM-AM. How many radio stations are there out there anymore that would willingly adopt three-letter calls? And would the FCC even allow that anymore?

Certainly, when the WSM properties were split up, and the radio stations moved away from Knob Hill, at least two of those three properties should have gotten new call letters. (The TV station did.) It's confusing to listeners and viewers when stations that are no longer jointly owned still use the same call letters. I'm sure that WSM-AM still gets calls about something that someone heard on the Wolf, and vice versa. But these two stations are now across town from each other, and haven't been under the same roof for years! I wonder how many of even the locals are aware of that now?! I know if this is confusing for me, it must be for the average listener as well.
 
National Life bought 95.5 WLWM-FM (now WSM-FM) from Wilber Parrish for $600,000 bucks in 1968. What a steal, even back then. Wilber is still alive and doing well, but I bet when he goes to bed at night he wishes he should have held on longer and got more doe for it. WLWM back then was running 20,000 watts when National Life bought it.

Now back to sleep, and oh by the way Chris, I got two wonderful dog who would love ya to death, Lexie and Lance! They give me dirty looks when it's Arbor Mist and Cake time with tales wagging! :D
 
I know this may be a little off topic, and I'm from out of town. He mentioned Opryland in the first post. I went to Opryland twice in the early or mid nineties, and both times it was packed, standing room only. I thought it was a great theme park and had lots of fun. The last time I was there they had just opened a brand new rollercoaster which was the largest ride in the park. They had just had the grand opening and the landscaping around it wasn't even complete yet. We decided to go back a couple of years later and found out that they had closed down the park. What I never could figure out is why the heck would they build a million dollar rollercoaster and then shut down the the whole park a few years later. A lot of people liked that park. Now we have to drive all the way to Branson, MO to Silver Dollar City or go to Dollywood. Opryland was a lot closer and even though it was no Disneyland, it was still a fun place to go. I'm not from Nashville so I don't get their local news, but could someone give me the real reason why it was closed? It seemed pretty busy the times that I went.
 
As a "Yank" with roots from Modavia, "What is an 'Opry'?? Som-thin' like a Opra??"...What is WSM??? ONLY KIDDING! I've got Ozark and Blue Ridge Roots.. But, it seems most under 50 in the 'skywave' don't know and don't have our passion.. Just an observation.. We hate change when we hit middle age... OH WOAH! I want 15/LAC back and the "Big 89" with bubble gum! But, I must move on and create the 'new sound' for the next generation, based on what we've learned (good or bad) from the last one... :p
 
flytrap said:
but could someone give me the real reason why it was closed?

Real simple. Gaylord is a publicly held company. Park does not provide a year round revenue stream. Mall equals year round revenue with no rain days shutting it down.

Nock
 
I get your point...but...rain never closed the park...
and rain never made a dent in the crowds.
I worked three summers there (73-74-75)...and should write a book: if you can
name a situation, I probably saw it.
 
Lets not forget, they are now playing ball with someone elses money. Gaylord collects rent if the stores they rent to make a dime or not. If they still ran the park they would have to invest their own money. I hate the mall and would much rather have the park (my children were 6 and 4 when they closed the park), but I do understnd from a business stand point what they did.
 
It makes perfect sense to talk about this on here --- it's sort of like WSM-AM. Maybe it doesn't make as much money
as Classic Country than some flavor of the month talk/sports concept, but I tend to believe Gaylord could have cleaned
up in profit and good community relations/karma if they had kept Opryland open, built ShopryMills and not charged
for parking at the Opryland Hotel. But, they were short sighted in this decision. Opryland was making money when
it closed. A friend of mine was park manager and another was the "one" that said pull the plug on the park. He
sadly admits to this day that the "corporate" decision was wrong. Opryland, with all the activity over there could
have caused a major boom. Instead, millions of tourists, their dollars and their desire to visit this city were comprimised.


With all the growth in Nashville over the last decade, I shudder to think what could be a vibrant, rocking theme
park, mega mall, mega cool place that pays tribute to the past and yet is keenly aware of the road ahead.

I'd like to hear some of the better Opryland stories, Chris. We could compare notes from my experiences of Spring Break
PCB, etc., over a few bottles of the proverbial Arbor Mist. Ah, to be young and well, young again.
 
Lets not forget, they are now playing ball with someone elses money. Gaylord collects rent if the stores they rent to make a dime or not.
I believe when Gaylord owned a part of the mall, it was only 10 percent. They have since sold that. They don't own any of it now.
Or I could be wrong :D
 
olebud said:
Lets not forget, they are now playing ball with someone elses money. Gaylord collects rent if the stores they rent to make a dime or not.
I believe when Gaylord owned a part of the mall, it was only 10 percent. They have since sold that. They don't own any of it now.
Or I could be wrong :D

I got to thinking about all the comments folks have been making about WSM-AM and the Opry, and the whole problem maybe Gaylord themselves. They have screwed with it all by closing Opryland, tinkering with the idea of selling it, the JSA with Cumulus, the mall, etc. I may be wrong in thinking this, but Gaylord may be the blame themselves for all this mess they have created. It just seems to me they want out of the picture, but at the 11th hour, they change thier minds and screw something else up.

I'll say this, lots of folks on here may not like the music played on Lighting 100, but give the little organization credit, it has it's act together with local music, and they have even played some new country music that has a fresh sound. Give folks over there like Lt. Dan Buckley credit, they have keep the local Nashville music scene together. Now why can't Gaylord step in and get thier act together and pitch in! I don't think a Classic Country format is that hard of a sale to ad clients like one of thier screwball board reps said one time back when they were thinking of changing format.

WSM can be a full service station, with it's OWN news department as well and sell ads with the music they are known for. It worked before and it can still work.
 
At one time it was said that the parking lot at Opryland made more money than the Radio station! Not sure if it was true but it does make you think.
 
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