Bill Whyte filled in for an hour on WSM-AM during the afternoon yesterday- sounded great... he was #1 in mornings in Cincinnati on WUBE for a long time.... great talent....he is missed...
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sweet sour Jerry said:
I didn't know that WUBE had ever beaten WLW in mornings. When was that?
Liked Bill on WFMS in Indianapolis.
Too bad WSM has fewer listeners than Mexican formatted WMGC 810 in Murphrysboro.
Too bad WSM has fewer listeners than Mexican formatted WMGC 810 in Murphrysboro.
ChiefEngineer said:
"Mexican" is not a format, it is a nationality.
DavidEduardo said:
No, the format IS Regional Mexican. Not a snub or offhanded comment. Look up the format. This IS what they call it. Not Hispanic, Salsa, Latino, etc.
ChiefEngineer said:
The format is called "regional Mexican" in reference to the "regions" of Mexico the various music forms come from (I don't have to look it up... I have been PD of several stations in the format). Without the "regional" the name is not correct. Your initial post called the format "Mexican" which is like someone in Europe calling any format in English "British."
"Latino" is not a format. "Hispanic" is not a format. "Hispanic" is a culture and Latino is a reference to language heritage.
The only one you named that is correct is "salsa" however there are only two or three remaining salsa format stations in the Hemisphere.
LibertyNT said:
I can think of twenty or thirty formats that would target persons of Mexican heritage in the US. Not all are commercially viable, of course.
"Mexican Americans" (a term usually applied to second generation persons of Mexican born parents) are more likely to listen to stations in English.
Maybe you hit the nail on the head.
If they are more likely to listen to English speaking stations, or even English Regional, maybe there isn't anything worth listening to in English so they reverted.
Given radio today, I can honestly say even a poorly executed Regional Mexican station has more live people and more content than even WSM. WSM was great because of content ...that it doesn't have anymore.
Go down to teh hotel and stand in front of the window. The jocks and news people refuse to make eye contact, or leave the room, or hide behind things. They never wave or smile or even look back.
Even I know this means they feel too good for the audience. It could also be low self esteem but someone who hires should have some idea that when they put the jocks in a fish bowl they should be outgoing.
Let's put our station in a visible location and make sure the jocks fail to even recognize their largest potential audience, not people who might listen to the toilet bowl that is WSM, but people walking through the hall at our smelly hotel.
If they are more likely to listen to English speaking stations, or even English Regional, maybe there isn't anything worth listening to in English so they reverted.
Given radio today, I can honestly say even a poorly executed Regional Mexican station has more live people and more content than even WSM. WSM was great because of content ...that it doesn't have anymore.
Go down to teh hotel and stand in front of the window. The jocks and news people refuse to make eye contact, or leave the room, or hide behind things. They never wave or smile or even look back.
Even I know this means they feel too good for the audience. It could also be low self esteem but someone who hires should have some idea that when they put the jocks in a fish bowl they should be outgoing.
Let's put our station in a visible location and make sure the jocks fail to even recognize their largest potential audience, not people who might listen to the toilet bowl that is WSM, but people walking through the hall at our smelly hotel.
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jharmon
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Well said from the poster above.
Gaylord does not want a radio station, with all the usual elements that make one great; news, weather, personalities, they want the station as a delivery platform for the Grand Ole Opry. They are more interested in selling tickets.
Gaylord does not want a radio station, with all the usual elements that make one great; news, weather, personalities, they want the station as a delivery platform for the Grand Ole Opry. They are more interested in selling tickets.
"poorly executed Regional Mexican"?
Hmmm, Bucky. Presumably, you mean that in the broadest sense. How many English speaking run promos with a reverb setting of 10+, sonovox and shotgun jingles, a sound that is compressed to a point that it displays a straight horizontal line on an oscilloscope and have a core audience that actually cares about what their (key word: THEIR) station is saying, much less playing?
If the description sounds vaguely familiar, then you would be correct. WMGC bears a strikingly strong resemblance to an overly-produced top 40 from 1965. Which, ultimately, is a good thing. When I listen to WMGC, I always snicker because it sounds so retro. But, then again, no one calls to complain about the reverb or the listener requests or the somewhat lengthy talk sets by the jocks. WMGC is a successful example of what radio used to sound like. In short, perhaps we could all learn something from history.
Hmmm, Bucky. Presumably, you mean that in the broadest sense. How many English speaking run promos with a reverb setting of 10+, sonovox and shotgun jingles, a sound that is compressed to a point that it displays a straight horizontal line on an oscilloscope and have a core audience that actually cares about what their (key word: THEIR) station is saying, much less playing?
If the description sounds vaguely familiar, then you would be correct. WMGC bears a strikingly strong resemblance to an overly-produced top 40 from 1965. Which, ultimately, is a good thing. When I listen to WMGC, I always snicker because it sounds so retro. But, then again, no one calls to complain about the reverb or the listener requests or the somewhat lengthy talk sets by the jocks. WMGC is a successful example of what radio used to sound like. In short, perhaps we could all learn something from history.
I don't recall the 810 from M'boro from my days back in Nashville. And I'll never hear them in Chicago now...
But I do like the idea they hit reverb hard and have shotgun jingles... I'll never mind at all that WSM is a mouthpiece for
the Grand Ol Opry, and I always listen now when some sporting event causes WSCR 670 to behave as a normal radio station.
And as I'm typing, Xavier Cugat is on here....
But I do like the idea they hit reverb hard and have shotgun jingles... I'll never mind at all that WSM is a mouthpiece for
the Grand Ol Opry, and I always listen now when some sporting event causes WSCR 670 to behave as a normal radio station.
And as I'm typing, Xavier Cugat is on here....
ChiefEngineer said:
Remember that in Latin America, among the most popular... and financially successful music formats include some or all music in English. Depending on age appeal, this may be CHR/pop, rock, or AC material but all these types are widely heard across Latin America.
Tibbs2 said:
Yes, regional Mexican formats tend to sound that way everywhere: fast speaking jocks, loud and highly produced promos and liners, and a production guy who values his Harmonizer as much as his life. The similarities with 70's era CHR are strong... just that there were not many CHR hits with tubas and accordeons in them.
Really sad to see this once Great Station die a slow and painful death. The Air Castle Of The South. The station that was once home to Ralph Emery and the famous all night show, Keith Bilbrey, Grant Turner and yes, once upon a time, Pat Sajak has become a less than impressive shadow of itself. This is what can happen when a hotel company, instead of real broadcasters, get control of a heritage radio property.
DavidEduardo said:
I've noticed this myself by sampling radio from various Latin American countries on my iPhone & computer. This seems to be quite widespread....especially in larger markets.
I've also observed the same thing in Europe. In a few weeks, I'll be in Germany....where I'd wager there's more music in English on the airwaves than in German. French predominates in France, but music English is still quite common. And then there's (or was), the Arrow, a widely-heard Dutch classic rocker (at 675khz IIRC) where the jocks and commercials were in Dutch but just about all of the music was American or British. (As the name implies....the Arrow format supposedly originated here.)
radio30 said:
Uh, hate to break it to you, but E.K. Gaylord owned broadcast properties, starting with WKY in Oklahoma City, back to the 30's.
This is a broadcast company that got into the hotel and entertainment business.
radio30 said:
Oh pleeze...the people who built it were insurance salesmen. The people running that station now are very committed to the heritage, and they've done more to maintain it, albeit on a smaller budget, than most other AMs in the country. How many other AM radio stations bring you live music performances from a legendary theater several nights a week? WWVA? I promise you that if you brought back Irving Waugh or anyone else who ever was in charge, they'd be hard-pressed to do better than the current management. In the old days, WSM was about selling insurance. Now it's about attracting tourists. Not much difference in the goal.
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