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mrazfan18
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104.7 in Poughkepsee,their signal reached right on the boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA & Port Jervis.I'm suprised.
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mrazfan18
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> Actually, their service contour (54 dbu) goes into PA
>
What does that mean?
>
What does that mean?
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TXengineer
Guest
Location...Location...Location
WSPK's antenna is in an excellent location.
A nice sharp hill with not much high terrain around it, and up on a decent sized tower. It might surprise you to find out that WSPK is only running 7,400 watts from the location. It just shows you what a good site it really is, to get a 50,000 watt equivelant signal at only 7.4kW.
WSPK's antenna is in an excellent location.
A nice sharp hill with not much high terrain around it, and up on a decent sized tower. It might surprise you to find out that WSPK is only running 7,400 watts from the location. It just shows you what a good site it really is, to get a 50,000 watt equivelant signal at only 7.4kW.
Re: Location...Location...Location
WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent coverage. A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing building penetration.
Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere. 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works. Its why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour - with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building penetration becomes an issue)
WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent coverage. A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing building penetration.
Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere. 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works. Its why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour - with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building penetration becomes an issue)
T
TXengineer
Guest
Re: Location...Location...Location
> WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent coverage.
> A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> building penetration.
> Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
> from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works. Its
> why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour -
> with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> penetration becomes an issue)
>
99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and Hudson, and it comes in well.
Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal is really bad due to some bad multipath.
I haven't been out in that direction in YEARS, but I do seem to recall you can pick up WNNJ pretty good around there.
> WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent coverage.
> A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> building penetration.
> Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
> from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works. Its
> why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour -
> with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> penetration becomes an issue)
>
99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and Hudson, and it comes in well.
Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal is really bad due to some bad multipath.
I haven't been out in that direction in YEARS, but I do seem to recall you can pick up WNNJ pretty good around there.
Re: Location...Location...Location
> > WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent
> coverage.
> > A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> > building penetration.
> > Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
>
> > from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> > 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works.
> Its
> > why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> > county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour
> -
> > with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> > penetration becomes an issue)
> >
>
> 99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've
> listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and
> Hudson, and it comes in well.
> Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite
> studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current
> incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal
> is really bad due to some bad multipath.
>
> I haven't been out in that direction in YEARS, but I do seem
> to recall you can pick up WNNJ pretty good around there.
>
Interesting topic. I live in Vernon, NJ, a town in the Northwest corner of Sussex County and I pick up K104 like a local station in most areas of the town. Same for WPDH. 99.3 FM comes in well when you go up the mountain on Rt. 515 in Vernon. Also, question about 101.5 WPDH. I thought I heard that they have 50,000 watts of power but according to radio locator, they have 4400 watts. Anyone verify this?<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
> > WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent
> coverage.
> > A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> > building penetration.
> > Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
>
> > from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> > 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works.
> Its
> > why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> > county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour
> -
> > with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> > penetration becomes an issue)
> >
>
> 99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've
> listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and
> Hudson, and it comes in well.
> Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite
> studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current
> incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal
> is really bad due to some bad multipath.
>
> I haven't been out in that direction in YEARS, but I do seem
> to recall you can pick up WNNJ pretty good around there.
>
Interesting topic. I live in Vernon, NJ, a town in the Northwest corner of Sussex County and I pick up K104 like a local station in most areas of the town. Same for WPDH. 99.3 FM comes in well when you go up the mountain on Rt. 515 in Vernon. Also, question about 101.5 WPDH. I thought I heard that they have 50,000 watts of power but according to radio locator, they have 4400 watts. Anyone verify this?<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
Re: Location...Location...Location
WPDH is a Class B station. The *standard* for this class is 50kw ERP @ 150 meters HAAT. Once you go up in HAAT, the ERP must drop, to maintain the service contour in the same place. Remember, the higher you go, the further out to the horizon you are, and fm signals will travel further. Hence the reason to reduce erp.
WPDH's antenna is 469 meters above average terrain. Thats why the erp is 4400.
WSPK is 381. (also a B)
Ellenville is an A, and a 3kw a at that. 115 watts at 496 meters is the same as 3kw at 100 meters.
WPDH is a Class B station. The *standard* for this class is 50kw ERP @ 150 meters HAAT. Once you go up in HAAT, the ERP must drop, to maintain the service contour in the same place. Remember, the higher you go, the further out to the horizon you are, and fm signals will travel further. Hence the reason to reduce erp.
WPDH's antenna is 469 meters above average terrain. Thats why the erp is 4400.
WSPK is 381. (also a B)
Ellenville is an A, and a 3kw a at that. 115 watts at 496 meters is the same as 3kw at 100 meters.
Re: Location...Location...Location
> > WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent
> coverage.
> > A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> > building penetration.
> > Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
>
> > from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> > 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works.
> Its
> > why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> > county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour
> -
> > with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> > penetration becomes an issue)
> >
>
> 99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've
> listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and
> Hudson, and it comes in well.
> Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite
> studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current
> incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal
> is really bad due to some bad multipath.
Even though there is some bleed from WBAI I can get a pretty decent signal from 99.3 WFKP (and 97.3 WZAD) as far south as Northvale, NJ which is in extreme Northeast Bergen County.<P ID="signature">______________
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NOT NEW YORK....
NOT PHILADELPHIA....
PROUD TO BE NEW JERSEY....</P>
> > WSPK while clear in most directions has excellent
> coverage.
> > A good balance of ERP/Elevation, while still providing
> > building penetration.
> > Now WPDH is a better example of nothing around it - 4.4 kw
>
> > from way up in the air. You can hear it everywhere.
> > 99.3/Ellenville is another example of how height works.
> Its
> > why you can hear Joe Daily & Lou Brown throughout Orange
> > county, in many areas beyond the predicted service contour
> -
> > with all of . All with 115 watts. (But, building
> > penetration becomes an issue)
> >
>
> 99.3 is a really funny station with an amazing signal. I've
> listened to it on Rte 23 between Great Barrington and
> Hudson, and it comes in well.
> Yet when you are in downtown Ellenville, near the old KLite
> studios (remember KLite?, I don't know if the current
> incarnation studios are still even there or not), the signal
> is really bad due to some bad multipath.
Even though there is some bleed from WBAI I can get a pretty decent signal from 99.3 WFKP (and 97.3 WZAD) as far south as Northvale, NJ which is in extreme Northeast Bergen County.<P ID="signature">______________
V
NOT NEW YORK....
NOT PHILADELPHIA....
PROUD TO BE NEW JERSEY....</P>
> 104.7 in Poughkepsee,their signal reached right on the
> boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA & Port
> Jervis.I'm suprised.
>
Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know. Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio Pirate gets in the way...
(Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece of VT.")
> boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA & Port
> Jervis.I'm suprised.
>
Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know. Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio Pirate gets in the way...
(Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece of VT.")
> > 104.7 in Poughkepsee,their signal reached right on the
> > boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA &
> Port
> > Jervis.I'm suprised.
> >
>
>
> Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know.
> Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern
> LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent
> signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio
> Pirate gets in the way...
>
> (Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years
> ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece
> of VT.")
>
Yes I remember that Jingle. That was the best Jingle that they played.<P ID="signature">______________
Roger</P>
> > boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA &
> Port
> > Jervis.I'm suprised.
> >
>
>
> Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know.
> Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern
> LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent
> signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio
> Pirate gets in the way...
>
> (Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years
> ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece
> of VT.")
>
Yes I remember that Jingle. That was the best Jingle that they played.<P ID="signature">______________
Roger</P>
> > 104.7 in Poughkepsee,their signal reached right on the
> > boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA &
> Port
> > Jervis.I'm suprised.
> >
>
>
> Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know.
> Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern
> LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent
> signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio
> Pirate gets in the way...
>
> (Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years
> ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece
> of VT.")
>
I pick up the signal ok in SE Nassau County, have to play with the antenna a little bit, but it generally will come in on good radios. The signal is generally better on the north shore of Long Island than the south. Towards the south shore goes a little east of the Nassau?Suffolk border (can be further on a good car radio) Back when I was in college from Sept 2000-May 20004, I was able to pick K 104 from my dorm room iN STONY BROOK, which is in North Central Suffolk county about 50 MILES EAST of Manhattan, basically directly across the sound from bridgeport. I remember picking the station right around the LIE in the Medford area as well, which is about 9 miles SSE of the campus, which is almost 70 miles from the transmitter
> > boarder line of New York & Pennsylvania by Milford,PA &
> Port
> > Jervis.I'm suprised.
> >
>
>
> Surprised? K104 has one of the best FM signal ranges I know.
> Iv taken it well into PA as well as pretty far out Eastern
> LI, most of Northern NJ and up to Albany. It has a decent
> signal in NYC too in the car...but that Brooklyn Radio
> Pirate gets in the way...
>
> (Anyone else remember their jingle from a few years
> ago...."Serving NY, NJ, PA, CT, MA and an itty bitty piece
> of VT.")
>
I pick up the signal ok in SE Nassau County, have to play with the antenna a little bit, but it generally will come in on good radios. The signal is generally better on the north shore of Long Island than the south. Towards the south shore goes a little east of the Nassau?Suffolk border (can be further on a good car radio) Back when I was in college from Sept 2000-May 20004, I was able to pick K 104 from my dorm room iN STONY BROOK, which is in North Central Suffolk county about 50 MILES EAST of Manhattan, basically directly across the sound from bridgeport. I remember picking the station right around the LIE in the Medford area as well, which is about 9 miles SSE of the campus, which is almost 70 miles from the transmitter
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