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WSRO Format Change

If the purpose of these low power FM's squeezed in on the first adjacents was to save AM's by giving them a better sounding signal on FM, why are they allowed to be used to expand the coverage area?
My point exactly.
Lawrence and Methuen have nothing to do with Boston or even the North Shore.
I noticed this right away when I moved up to N. Andover to start work in 1972. The "natives" up here wanted nothing to do with points south (they loved NH, however).
Lowell, Lawrence and Haverhill... all former mill towns on the Merrimack river have their own distinct identity... Lawrence for example is the Fentanyl distribution point for Northeast MA, all of NH and all of Maine. In my post radio career, my work took me there. I worked in the worst areas of Boston, the inner city, where gunfire was a frequent event... I never worried about my safety there.... when I had to go to Lawrence I would call my secretary and tell her where I was and how long I expected to be there... and if she didn't hear from me by a certain time she was to call the Police. I'm not kidding I am dead serious.

If you ever wanted to visit the Dominican Republic without the nice weather or pesky air travel, visit Lawrence.

Methuen has the most corrupt Police Department in the state, if not the country. Just ask the Feds investigating the former Chief.
I do not disagree with what you wrote. The cities you mentioned have a reputation for drugs, illiteracy, and high theft. But the "natives" get indignant when an outsider like myself points this out.
But back to my original thought, Translators should have to cover most of the area of the local AM signal. In this case it covers the bottom 25% leaving the AM's City of License and the entire area north of it uncovered.
Yup; hence my question.
If the folks at MRBI had any brains, they would have applied for that frequency as a translator for WLYN AM and made the case that it covered most of its daytime coverage and would give them nightime coverage where their 76 watt night power does not.
Oops, in one of my earlier replies to you, I addressed you as "MRBI", figuring your initials were "B" and "I". When you used it in the above sentence, I had to look up MRBI, and now I know. In any case, thank you for your answers.
 
WHY would you want the translator on a short AM tower.. when you can get it much higher up somewhere else?
Who says I do? I'm saying that some "translators" have their antennas on low-height structures, including the side of a building.
No height restriction, just a power restriction.

Translators can be located within X distance form the station.. its 25 miles.... I think
As MRBIboredop explains about this one particular "translator", its signal barely reaches the area served by its AM parent.
 
That's what we call our other FM signals here at KSKO in Alaska. We refer to them as repeaters, as that's what our listeners understand.. in their minds, it's repeating KSKO programming in their village.

The difference is, our repeaters could have studios and originate programming but they have neither.
I don't think a "translator" can have studios of their own for program origination. They are supposed to be "repeaters".

In common-carrier microwave relays, a repeater received a signal from one direction and transmitted it out another direction, albeit with a change of frequency, or what is referred to in signal theory as "frequency translation".
 
>>Lawrence and Methuen have nothing to do with Boston

WEEI-FM 93.7 Lawrence MA...serving the Merrimack Valley with the best of sports talk (antenna in Peabody, studios in Boston...)
Though as Wikipedia puts it, "WEEI-FM (93.7 FM) – branded SportsRadio 93.7 WEEI-FM – is a commercial sports radio station licensed to Lawrence, Massachusetts, serving Greater Boston and much of surrounding New England. "

Of course this is a much bigger signal and full power. Remember the days of the Rock Garden?
"Ninety-four...WCGY..."
Your point is......?
 
The city of Lawrence and its county are part of the Boston Metro Survey Area, or, simply, "radio market".

And all are part of the Boston market
I think the poster was referring to the socio-economic differences between the cities north of Boston and Boston itself. I don't think the reference was to "metro survey areas" or "markets" in the sense of "the business of radio".
 
I think the poster was referring to the socio-economic differences between the cities north of Boston and Boston itself. I don't think the reference was to "metro survey areas" or "markets" in the sense of "the business of radio".
That is a valid point for small signals, which can serve a very local area in a metro where there are special needs and preferences.
 
My point is technically a station like 93.7 was to serve the Merrimack Valley but they did what they could to move it closer to Boston. As I did say, yes it's a full power station and much more powerful than, especially, an FM translator--and they did take advantage of
legal means to have their studios and stick as close to Boston as possible. Audacy is lucky to have the power and location to thus reach Boston and many other surrounding areas, but the station is still technically licensed to Lawrence,
It isn't really a regional area outlet like WATD "the South Shore's Radio Station" or WBOQ "North Shore 104.9". The focus is on a bigger populated area and the format is pretty mass appeal. It isn't like a Merrimack Valley outlet offering public affairs shows catering to Lawrence or Haverhill, with local restaurants advertising on it but hey, more power to 'em if they can shoehorn in to be "Boston's" sports station.
 
93.7 was originally on one of the WRKO towers in Burlington, IIRC one tower is shorter than the other two because at one point the FM antenna was on top and they are height limited by nearby Hanscom AFB/ Hanscom Field/ KBED
 
93.7 was originally on one of the WRKO towers in Burlington, IIRC one tower is shorter than the other two because at one point the FM antenna was on top and they are height limited by nearby Hanscom AFB/ Hanscom Field/ KBED
The WLAW-FM 93.7 that was on the Burlington towers has no connection to the present-day WEEI-FM. The current 93.7 license started in Andover in 1960 as WGHJ, sister to WCCM. It was later WCCM-FM and WCGY, and had become WEGQ by the time it moved to Peabody.
 
I remember listening to WCGY in its "Rock Garden" days while at a summer job in Chelsea. No problem with reception inside a building at all.
 
No reason why there would have been. The deficiencies in the WCGY signal were all south and west. It was adequate in Waltham in the early 1990s but clearly not as strong as the Newton/Needham or Pru signals. The move to Peabody improved it somewhat there.
 
The Boston radio metro is made up of Essex, Middlesex, Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester in MA and Hillsoborough in NH.

All of Essex County is in the Boston market.
All those areas are technically in the Boston market, but any of those areas more than about 20 to 25 miles from downtown Boston are not where the masses of people, and advertisers, are that they want to attract.
That’s why I said the Boston metro as a vague term implying areas close to Boston, rather than the entire official Boston market.
 
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ya Boston may be a MSA for census and radio purposes but as far ad radio advertising it is broken down into much smaller areas unless you are a major client with multiple locations or have the ability to draw from distant places.

A Bernie & Phyl's, Jordan's Furniture, Bob's Furniture, and even a Cardi's might do well buying for the whole market, but to get from say Pelham NH in Hillsborough County NH, which is right on the MA NH line, lots of former Massholes living there and commuting to Boston, and going to say Plymouth MA, is on a good day a minimum 90 minute drive... In the summer, after 9 AM on a weekend, double that.

People from the "North Shore" and Merrimack Valley don't venture to the "South Shore" When a small restaurant, store, single location car dealer buys an ad on a full market coverage area station, the sales folks are going to have to have some pretty specific numbers from the rating service as far as the surrounding areas because a restaurant in Marshfield isn't going to get customer 1 from Andover and visa versa.

"Metro West"... someone from Upton Ma in Worcester County ( east of Worcester) is again, more than an hour on a good day from Plymouth MA.

The North and South Shores, Metro West, Merrimack Valley... they might as well be planets because they are pretty self contained and there is not a lot of movement from one to another for shopping purposes..... but those people will drive to NH for menthol cigarettes ( illegal in MA !) cheap beer, liquor, sales tax free major purchases they can bring home in the back of their friends pick up truck, fireworks, and a few other things. Oh ya no bottle deposit in NH either. There is a reason smoke shops and the NH State liquor store, and in season the fireworks stores advertise on Boston stations.

But if anyone thinks for a moment that when Jeff Kuhner is plugging a dentist in North Andover, or a restaurant in Manchester NH that people from more than a 25 minute drive are going there, they are nuts.
 
ya Boston may be a MSA for census and radio purposes but as far ad radio advertising it is broken down into much smaller areas unless you are a major client with multiple locations or have the ability to draw from distant places.
There are two kinds of MSA. The Census has a Metropolitan Statistical Area while Nielsen has a Metro Survey Area. As often as not, they are different. The Feds define their MSA based on commerce, while Nielsen does its definition based on "majority of radio listening to 'home to market' stations".

In some markets, like Houston, the radio metro can change by a county or two every year!
A Bernie & Phyl's, Jordan's Furniture, Bob's Furniture, and even a Cardi's might do well buying for the whole market, but to get from say Pelham NH in Hillsborough County NH, which is right on the MA NH line, lots of former Massholes living there and commuting to Boston, and going to say Plymouth MA, is on a good day a minimum 90 minute drive... In the summer, after 9 AM on a weekend, double that.
And that is what suburban limited coverage stations live on, just as suburban newspapers used to. Small businesses can't afford paying a full coverage station for areas they can't possibly get business from. But those suburban station get infinitely lower rates.
People from the "North Shore" and Merrimack Valley don't venture to the "South Shore" When a small restaurant, store, single location car dealer buys an ad on a full market coverage area station, the sales folks are going to have to have some pretty specific numbers from the rating service as far as the surrounding areas because a restaurant in Marshfield isn't going to get customer 1 from Andover and visa versa.
Most stations won't even approach restaurants. They are usually cash in advance or trade as that is the one category that has the highest bad debt percentage. And most restaurants put their money in online search-connected services, not radio.

Car dealers know they have to offer some advantage to bring people from the other side of town. Some do it successfully.
"Metro West"... someone from Upton Ma in Worcester County ( east of Worcester) is again, more than an hour on a good day from Plymouth MA.
Which is why the top stations pick up the national, regional and local agency business for bigger accounts. I managed sales for nearly a decade for a dominant #1 station in a Top 15 market and we did over 95% agency business. Nobody else could afford us.
The North and South Shores, Metro West, Merrimack Valley... they might as well be planets because they are pretty self contained and there is not a lot of movement from one to another for shopping purposes..... but those people will drive to NH for menthol cigarettes ( illegal in MA !) cheap beer, liquor, sales tax free major purchases they can bring home in the back of their friends pick up truck, fireworks, and a few other things. Oh ya no bottle deposit in NH either. There is a reason smoke shops and the NH State liquor store, and in season the fireworks stores advertise on Boston stations.
You are forgetting that a lot of advertising may be for non-retail categories, such as insurance, investments,. websites and many others.
But if anyone thinks for a moment that when Jeff Kuhner is plugging a dentist in North Andover, or a restaurant in Manchester NH that people from more than a 25 minute drive are going there, they are nuts.
And the dentist is paying $15 a spot while the leading news-talk and sports stations are in the $300 and over range, depending on the daypart. As I said, the restaurant is likely trade or has paid in advance.
 
All those areas are technically in the Boston market,
The reason the Boston Market is defined as it is comes from the fact that in all those counties the majority of listening goes to the central county or adjacent counties.
but any of those areas more than about 20 to 25 miles from downtown Boston are not where the masses of people, and advertisers, are that they want to attract.
For those on the top 10 to 15 stations, every person, every ZIP Code area is as important as any other one.

The 2020 county estimates for the market are (rounded):

Middlesex 1.6 million
Essex .8 million
Suffolk .8 million
Norfolk .7 million
Plymouth .5 million
Worcester .3 million
Hillsborough .3 million

Clients that equally serve all areas are going to want a station that performs well in every county.
That’s why I said the Boston metro as a vague term implying areas close to Boston, rather than the entire official Boston market.
For radio sales for full market signals, there is no area they "prefer" over another.

If we go into details, a top station can bill nearly $40 million while a good suburban station like WPLM will bill perhaps 5% of that amount. Or one with slightly better population coverage, WXRV, might come close to billing 8% to 9% of what the top biller does.

Just the top 10 stations in the market take over 70% of market billing. There are 57 commercial station in the full market.
 
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Is WRKO morning drive really $15 for a live read
I'm talking about5 the suburban, limited coverage stations. WRKO is tied for 12th in revenue, and is 10th in a rolling average in 12+.

WPLM and WXRV are examples of successful suburban station, with decent billings for the population that they cover well.
 
Not sure these are up-to-date, but I SEEM to recall FWIW:

92.5 WXRV, Andover-Boston
92.9 WBOS, Brookline-Boston
93.7 WEEI-FM, Lawrence-Boston
99.5 WCRB, Lowell-Boston (and, until late 2006, 102.5 WCRB, Waltham-Boston)
105.7 WROR, Framingham-Boston
107.9 WXKS-FM, Medford-Boston (although WXKS-FM HD-2, Medford)
 
Not sure these are up-to-date, but I SEEM to recall FWIW:

92.5 WXRV, Andover-Boston
92.9 WBOS, Brookline-Boston
93.7 WEEI-FM, Lawrence-Boston
99.5 WCRB, Lowell-Boston (and, until late 2006, 102.5 WCRB, Waltham-Boston)
105.7 WROR, Framingham-Boston
107.9 WXKS-FM, Medford-Boston (although WXKS-FM HD-2, Medford)
After giving the city of license, a station can put any additional markets on the ID. WXRV Andover-Springfield is just as legal, even if they do not cover the second or additional market that is named.

There are very, very few dual city licenses in the whole country.
 
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