Can any of the more technical folks on this site explain to me why 97.1 has such a strong signal? Yes, I know they are about 1500 ft off the ground and that they are almost 100k watts but if you look at radio-locator.com and review the signal, the maps are underestimating the station. I have friends in Carrollton who keep it playing on their outdoor radio without any issue. Traveling down south, I pulled 97.1 all the way to Macon without any problem. I just think the signal is stronger than an average Class C signal and I'm wondering if the frequency is not the reason.
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Oh and one more question:
What is located around the 400/85 interchange just north of midtown that would cause 97.1 the flake out some. I've noticed this mainly on 97.1 but it could be on other frequencies as well. Just find it odd considering how strong 97.1 is in the first place.
What is located around the 400/85 interchange just north of midtown that would cause 97.1 the flake out some. I've noticed this mainly on 97.1 but it could be on other frequencies as well. Just find it odd considering how strong 97.1 is in the first place.
This is what my daughter says:
Compare River with B98.5 (as a representative example). Not only is the HAAT of River a lot higher, the HAGL is too. Note that River's HAAT is LOWER than its HAGL. Being in the foothills, the HAAT of the tower is skewed "downward" by the nearby mountains "behind" it. Moving downhill away from the foothills towards town (or into SC, for that matter), the tower "appears" taller than going uphill into the mountains. FM coverage is driven by line of sight, and 1726' looking downhill is pretty tall.
From Radio-Locator:
WSRV-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 98,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 483 meters (1585 feet)
Height above Ground Level 526 meters (1726 feet)
Height above Sea Level 797 meters (2615 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 34° 07' 32" N, 83° 51' 32" W
WSB-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 313 meters (1027 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 594 meters (1949 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 45' 33" N, 84° 20' 05" W
WKHX-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 329 meters (1079 feet)
Height above Ground Level 348 meters (1142 feet)
Height above Sea Level 612 meters (2008 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 26" N, 84° 20' 22" W
WWWQ-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 96,600 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 340 meters (1115 feet)
Height above Ground Level 348 meters (1142 feet)
Height above Sea Level 612 meters (2008 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 26" N, 84° 20' 22" W
WVEE-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 310 meters (1017 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 594 meters (1949 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
WSTR-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 310.4 meters (1018 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 593.8 meters (1948 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 45' 33" N, 84° 20' 05" W
WUBL-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C1 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 99,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 298 meters (978 feet)
Height above Ground Level 314 meters (1030 feet)
Height above Sea Level 581 meters (1906 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 27" N, 84° 20' 27" W
WKLS-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 99,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 300 meters (984 feet)
Height above Ground Level 315 meters (1033 feet)
Height above Sea Level 581 meters (1906 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 27" N, 84° 20' 26" W
Compare River with B98.5 (as a representative example). Not only is the HAAT of River a lot higher, the HAGL is too. Note that River's HAAT is LOWER than its HAGL. Being in the foothills, the HAAT of the tower is skewed "downward" by the nearby mountains "behind" it. Moving downhill away from the foothills towards town (or into SC, for that matter), the tower "appears" taller than going uphill into the mountains. FM coverage is driven by line of sight, and 1726' looking downhill is pretty tall.
From Radio-Locator:
WSRV-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 98,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 483 meters (1585 feet)
Height above Ground Level 526 meters (1726 feet)
Height above Sea Level 797 meters (2615 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 34° 07' 32" N, 83° 51' 32" W
WSB-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 313 meters (1027 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 594 meters (1949 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 45' 33" N, 84° 20' 05" W
WKHX-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 329 meters (1079 feet)
Height above Ground Level 348 meters (1142 feet)
Height above Sea Level 612 meters (2008 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 26" N, 84° 20' 22" W
WWWQ-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 96,600 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 340 meters (1115 feet)
Height above Ground Level 348 meters (1142 feet)
Height above Sea Level 612 meters (2008 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 26" N, 84° 20' 22" W
WVEE-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 310 meters (1017 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 594 meters (1949 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
WSTR-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 100,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 310.4 meters (1018 feet)
Height above Ground Level 292 meters (958 feet)
Height above Sea Level 593.8 meters (1948 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 45' 33" N, 84° 20' 05" W
WUBL-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C1 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 99,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 298 meters (978 feet)
Height above Ground Level 314 meters (1030 feet)
Height above Sea Level 581 meters (1906 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 27" N, 84° 20' 27" W
WKLS-FM Technical Info:
Station Status Licensed Class C0 FM Station
Area of Coverage View Coverage Map
Effective Radiated Power 99,000 Watts
Height above Avg. Terrain 300 meters (984 feet)
Height above Ground Level 315 meters (1033 feet)
Height above Sea Level 581 meters (1906 feet)
Antenna Pattern Non-Directional
Transmitter Location 33° 48' 27" N, 84° 20' 26" W
acheron82 said:
The 400/85 interchange is very close to the TV/FM towers on Briarcliff Road (Shepherds Lane). They are the site of 96.1 and also the 97.9 translator. That's likely the reason.
The Class C stations enjoy a greater radius of protection than the C0 stations. Thus, you don't lose them to interference as quickly as you move away from them.
I live next to the WQXI-AM towers on Cheshire Bridge Rd which is right behind the Shepherds Ln tower. When the leaves fall off the trees each winter we get all kinds of "splatter" on 97.1 and 95.5. I cannot pick up 95.5 until I get closer to Piedmont Rd. When the leaves come back, it reduces the spatter from the Shepherds Ln towers.
WSRV is marginal in Cobb compared to all the other full powers, even the southside rimshotters like Kiss 104. Driving around I experience more multipath, Rayliegh type fades, and their HD signal constantly drops out.
97.1 also has a wide open frequency compared to the other Atlanta FMs. While for example, 106.7 has a signal in South Georgia, the one near Columbia, SC, Nashville, and a signal in Dothan, 97.1 is open.
The only things on 97.1 within about a 250-mile radius are a weaker FM in Montgomery, translators in Columbia, Spartanburg, and Clinton, SC, a 3000-watter out of Nashville, and the big signal out of Greensboro.
Before those translators signed on, Fox 97 (or the River) used to be an easy copy as far E as Columbia most days during the summer, and it was almost always there in the Upstate. It still can override those translators. Even with a local 96.9 in Charleston, I've heard them five or six different times.
They are weaker in Cobb, but their signal in NE Georgia makes up for it. It has a good signal in Anderson and Clemson, and can be heard good as far as Greenville before the translator takes over.
The only things on 97.1 within about a 250-mile radius are a weaker FM in Montgomery, translators in Columbia, Spartanburg, and Clinton, SC, a 3000-watter out of Nashville, and the big signal out of Greensboro.
Before those translators signed on, Fox 97 (or the River) used to be an easy copy as far E as Columbia most days during the summer, and it was almost always there in the Upstate. It still can override those translators. Even with a local 96.9 in Charleston, I've heard them five or six different times.
They are weaker in Cobb, but their signal in NE Georgia makes up for it. It has a good signal in Anderson and Clemson, and can be heard good as far as Greenville before the translator takes over.
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It's a monster signal that fly's forever south.
I've held it nearly all the way to the I95 exit many times in route to Savannah, on a stock receiver.
No way to effectively market/sell it as the huge regional signal it is, but I'd speculate if we could see the complete and total listener totals it would be eye opening.
I've held it nearly all the way to the I95 exit many times in route to Savannah, on a stock receiver.
No way to effectively market/sell it as the huge regional signal it is, but I'd speculate if we could see the complete and total listener totals it would be eye opening.
Anybody know what WFOX's power and tower height/location was back before they moved in? I remember in the early 80s having to DX it to pick it up in Dunwoody. On an analog tuner, 96 Rock would often walk all over it. WWID 106.7 was a lot easier to pick up, if for no other reason than there was nothing to speak of above V-103 on the dial at the time.
Cox apparently has some land in the Sugar Hill area and wants to build a tower there for WSRV. The application calls for 100KW at a somewhat lower height, but it would be closer to Atlanta. I've been told that zoning is holding things up.
What would that accomplish? Greater building penetration intown vs. loss of some outlying coverage due to lower HAAT and more importantly lower HASL? Or would there not be that much of a difference, still being relatively "uphill" in Sugar Hill?RoddyFreeman said:
I know that radio doesn't get paid for out-of-market coverage, but WSRV's broad coverage is something to behold.
jabba17 said:
The coverage map at http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1168492%26call=WSRV%26freq=97.1%26contour=60%26city=GAINESVILLE%26state=GA indicates the 60 dBu signal would cover all of Atlanta versus the current one, which falls just short.
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