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WSYR vs. WIBX
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WIBX has a killer 5 kw signal 24/7 but is highly directional to the west. I lose WIBX on the Thruway just west of Westmoreland which is in sight of its towers. I don't think anyone in Oneida or Syracuse even knows that WIBX even exists. However, I have been in Watertown and WIBX comes in like a local station. I don't think there is anyplace in the Utica-Rome market that WIBX doesn't have an excellent signal. The signal is so bad to the west (protecting Rochester & Detroit), however, that Regent even tried similcasting WIBX for a while on then co-owned WRUN, which has a strong east/west 5KW signal.
WSYR has always had a strong signal into Oneida and Utica-Rome. So strong, in fact, that NBC radio refused to give an affiliation to any Utica area radio station. WFBL on 1390, and WHEN on 620 always had excellent shots into the Utica-Rome market, too. WNDR on 1260 came in ok but was never a threat to fellow top 40's WTLB or WRUN in Utica-Rome.
WSYR has always had a strong signal into Oneida and Utica-Rome. So strong, in fact, that NBC radio refused to give an affiliation to any Utica area radio station. WFBL on 1390, and WHEN on 620 always had excellent shots into the Utica-Rome market, too. WNDR on 1260 came in ok but was never a threat to fellow top 40's WTLB or WRUN in Utica-Rome.
WIBX probably loses out on 1 or 2 Arbitron shares since their signal doesn't even reach Verona at Turning Stone Resort & Casino. They reach almost 90-miles going North and East, but the signal is terrible SouthWest and West. I asked their management if all of their transmitting and phaser equipment was properly tuned because it makes no sense that their signal cnnot even reach Verona or Oneida. You would think their directional patern could at least be authorized to end at Canastota. WROC in Rochester has their signal go further to the East, than WIBX can go to the West. I am not an engineer, so I do not know how far to the West WIBX is authorized to go.
WIBX engineering mentioned that they believe a heavy forest of trees that surrounds their 4-towers at the Clark Mills site is one of the reasons for the signal problems to the West in the Verona area. It was mentioned that it would be a $10,000 investment to get them chopped down. Seems worth it to me if you can pick up listneners in your backyard that do not even know you exist. I would also want everyone that goes to Turning Stone to know my station comes in loud and clear.
WIBX also sounds very flat. No compression, no nothing. When I worked at WIBX that AM really kicked with sound quality. Now, engineering only pays attention to FROG and LITE 98.7. Those two stations sound pretty good. WIBX and OLDIEZ 96.1 sound more than bad.
WBX should also check to see what station is always underneath their signal about an hour before sunset. When I listen to Sportswatch I can hear WIBX, but I can also hear some other station underneath really well, especially, if the two talk show hosts pause for half a second with some dead air.
WSYR gets into the Rome area great day and night. WHEN gets in here great during the day but they do not face here at night. WFBL and WNDR have terrible signals day and night in this area. By the way, WSYR must have a real tight pattern at night to the West because coming home from Rochester last weekend, I could not pcik them up until I got back to Auburn.
One other note...Hard to beleive that once powerful WGY used to boom in this area with that 50,000 watt signal. You can still get them pretty good during the day, but you cannot get them at night. Hard to beleive 50,000 watts, 90-miles away doesn't even come in. Just a lot of noise, and the New Brunswick 810 overiding them. Doesn't make sense to me. Some have said it's skywave, some have said it's their HD night signal. Whatever the reason, you cannot get them hardly at all at night in Rome, or even South of Albany. Calls to their engineering department has not produced a return call.
WIBX engineering mentioned that they believe a heavy forest of trees that surrounds their 4-towers at the Clark Mills site is one of the reasons for the signal problems to the West in the Verona area. It was mentioned that it would be a $10,000 investment to get them chopped down. Seems worth it to me if you can pick up listneners in your backyard that do not even know you exist. I would also want everyone that goes to Turning Stone to know my station comes in loud and clear.
WIBX also sounds very flat. No compression, no nothing. When I worked at WIBX that AM really kicked with sound quality. Now, engineering only pays attention to FROG and LITE 98.7. Those two stations sound pretty good. WIBX and OLDIEZ 96.1 sound more than bad.
WBX should also check to see what station is always underneath their signal about an hour before sunset. When I listen to Sportswatch I can hear WIBX, but I can also hear some other station underneath really well, especially, if the two talk show hosts pause for half a second with some dead air.
WSYR gets into the Rome area great day and night. WHEN gets in here great during the day but they do not face here at night. WFBL and WNDR have terrible signals day and night in this area. By the way, WSYR must have a real tight pattern at night to the West because coming home from Rochester last weekend, I could not pcik them up until I got back to Auburn.
One other note...Hard to beleive that once powerful WGY used to boom in this area with that 50,000 watt signal. You can still get them pretty good during the day, but you cannot get them at night. Hard to beleive 50,000 watts, 90-miles away doesn't even come in. Just a lot of noise, and the New Brunswick 810 overiding them. Doesn't make sense to me. Some have said it's skywave, some have said it's their HD night signal. Whatever the reason, you cannot get them hardly at all at night in Rome, or even South of Albany. Calls to their engineering department has not produced a return call.
Many of the problems associated with these old-line AM's are the result of a changing landscape, as new housing developments, malls, factories and even parking lots "suck up" valuable RF.
A friend of mine who is experienced in high power directional AM's and now serves as VP Engineering for a small radio company, says the problem with many AM's, especially the directionals, lies with the ground systems. In many cases, ground systems are not in good condition because they're old and need to be reinforced or totally replaced. Installing 120 ground radials and a "near tower" ground screen isn't cheap. Also, tuning networks with caps and coils can go bad. And phasors, tough as some of them were built back in the day, don't last forever if they're not properly maintained.
One day earlier this summer, we were curious as to why a nearby AM in our neck of the woods wasn't "getting out" as well as we thought it should, so we placed a friendly wager on the mV/m readings and took the field stregth meter out to an intersection where we calculated that the readings should have been 4 to 5 mV/m. It turned out the station registered little more than 2 mV/m. I lost the wager, bought him lunch and learned a lot about ground systems.
In some clusters, the RF maintenance of the AM's takes a back seat to the needs of the FM's. Another point to consider is some younger CE's are very talented and knowledgeable processing, studio, I-T and FM guys, but through no fault of their own, don't have the necessary expertise to deal with the demands of multi-tower and critical directional AM's.
And then, there's the reality of AM directionals. Many of them are tightly spaced and critical multi-tower arrays, witness the "Tweedy Bird" pattern of WIBX.
A friend of mine who is experienced in high power directional AM's and now serves as VP Engineering for a small radio company, says the problem with many AM's, especially the directionals, lies with the ground systems. In many cases, ground systems are not in good condition because they're old and need to be reinforced or totally replaced. Installing 120 ground radials and a "near tower" ground screen isn't cheap. Also, tuning networks with caps and coils can go bad. And phasors, tough as some of them were built back in the day, don't last forever if they're not properly maintained.
One day earlier this summer, we were curious as to why a nearby AM in our neck of the woods wasn't "getting out" as well as we thought it should, so we placed a friendly wager on the mV/m readings and took the field stregth meter out to an intersection where we calculated that the readings should have been 4 to 5 mV/m. It turned out the station registered little more than 2 mV/m. I lost the wager, bought him lunch and learned a lot about ground systems.
In some clusters, the RF maintenance of the AM's takes a back seat to the needs of the FM's. Another point to consider is some younger CE's are very talented and knowledgeable processing, studio, I-T and FM guys, but through no fault of their own, don't have the necessary expertise to deal with the demands of multi-tower and critical directional AM's.
And then, there's the reality of AM directionals. Many of them are tightly spaced and critical multi-tower arrays, witness the "Tweedy Bird" pattern of WIBX.
Jim, thanks for providing that map. Certainly demonstrates much of what was verbally explained in the earlier posts in this thread. I think it also shows the "tall forest" excuse is a load of BS. If the FCC hasn't authorized the station to broadcast toward the west, then that's the way it is.
Last time I took a ride along Clark Mills Road, the field around the towers was mowed. Any weeds around them were maybe 3 or 4 feet tall, nowhere near enough to really interfere with anything. Sure, there are trees nearby, but I would never say they "surround" the towers. Those towers are much taller than any tree nearby. The engineer at WIBX is pretty knowledgeable about AM and FM alike. The "forest" excuse either had to come from a non-engineer, or he only told you that to get you off the phone so he could get back to work.
The fact that WSYR and WIBX don't overlap that much is actually a good thing for both of them, though. Rather than competing, the two have been known to cooperate on certain occasions. Once in a blue moon, you might hear them swapping stories. ClearChannel doesn't have a news/talker in Utica, so it's not like WSYR is "snubbing" any of its bretheren by sharing content. Likewise, Regent doesn't have any properties in Syracuse. Both newsrooms have a very slim staff (WIBX moreso than WSYR), so the "gentleman's agreement" to share content is a good policy for both of them, even if it's something that's rarely needed.
Even if the signals did allow them to compete more directly, I don't think it would matter because they're both in two completely different Arbitron markets. Any numbers WSYR might pick up in the Utica/Rome book would probably not be significant enough to threaten WIBX, and likewise. It's just like how B104.7 and Big Frog 104 often show up in each other's book, but neither poses any real threat to the other.
Last time I took a ride along Clark Mills Road, the field around the towers was mowed. Any weeds around them were maybe 3 or 4 feet tall, nowhere near enough to really interfere with anything. Sure, there are trees nearby, but I would never say they "surround" the towers. Those towers are much taller than any tree nearby. The engineer at WIBX is pretty knowledgeable about AM and FM alike. The "forest" excuse either had to come from a non-engineer, or he only told you that to get you off the phone so he could get back to work.
The fact that WSYR and WIBX don't overlap that much is actually a good thing for both of them, though. Rather than competing, the two have been known to cooperate on certain occasions. Once in a blue moon, you might hear them swapping stories. ClearChannel doesn't have a news/talker in Utica, so it's not like WSYR is "snubbing" any of its bretheren by sharing content. Likewise, Regent doesn't have any properties in Syracuse. Both newsrooms have a very slim staff (WIBX moreso than WSYR), so the "gentleman's agreement" to share content is a good policy for both of them, even if it's something that's rarely needed.
Even if the signals did allow them to compete more directly, I don't think it would matter because they're both in two completely different Arbitron markets. Any numbers WSYR might pick up in the Utica/Rome book would probably not be significant enough to threaten WIBX, and likewise. It's just like how B104.7 and Big Frog 104 often show up in each other's book, but neither poses any real threat to the other.
Hi Jim and Bob...Thanks for informing people like me about the WIBX signal pattern. The map was very interesting. If I understand the map correctly of the WIBX pattern, in your expert opinion, is it showing that their signal should be heard in Verona and maybe Oneida, or not?
I do know, when we had some high school football games to do in that area, we could not even monitor the station during the day. I am not disagreeing with any of your information, but since I do not know that much about directional signals, I am just curious as to how far WIBX should go to the West. I remember WIBX getting as far as Canastota before dropping out, but not Verona.
Thanks again for your help and the very useful information.
I do know, when we had some high school football games to do in that area, we could not even monitor the station during the day. I am not disagreeing with any of your information, but since I do not know that much about directional signals, I am just curious as to how far WIBX should go to the West. I remember WIBX getting as far as Canastota before dropping out, but not Verona.
Thanks again for your help and the very useful information.
Hey thanks guys for the infomation as well as the coverage map website.
Dave, you mentioned that WGY no longer comes into Utica overnights. That's really bizarre in my opinion, especially consider the other AM 810 station is all the way up in New Brunswick, maybe it is the AM-HD signal or skywave cause I don't think that should be happening.
Dave, you mentioned that WGY no longer comes into Utica overnights. That's really bizarre in my opinion, especially consider the other AM 810 station is all the way up in New Brunswick, maybe it is the AM-HD signal or skywave cause I don't think that should be happening.
I rarely tune in WIBX but after all the postings, I dialed it up today while driving around Verona and Oneida. The signal level contours from the "Radio-Locator" website shows both areas as "fringe" reception and that is how it plays out on my MOPAR car radio. Signal level at Turning Stone is fair/good and quite listenable. Signal drops to fair when passing thru Oneida and in many places it is covered by local noise. Moving on to Canastota, signal drops to poor and is not listenable.
Best signal from a Utica AM'er in Oneida is from WTLB-1310.
Best signal from a Utica AM'er in Oneida is from WTLB-1310.
I'm pleased to shed some light on the situation.
Please note that I'm far from an expert, I've just been fortunate to work with people who are very knowledgeable about this stuff.
When I worked in Utica as PD of 1550 WBVM (admittedly, a long time ago), WIBX was the big dog of AM. WTLB and WRUN were going at it mano a mano with their Top 40 formats. On FM, WIBQ (which I always thought were really cool call letters) and WOUR were the big dogs.
WBVM at that time was an Oldies-Classic Hits station before the name "Classic Hits" was created. Man, if we only knew what we were doing! We did alright until WKGW-FM came on and blew our doors off, but it was a nice ride, however short. In '78 I was offered a job at Q-FM-97 (ironically, on 96.9) and came back to Buffalo, where I've been ever since.
As their disclaimer notes, Radio-Locator maps are an approximation. It's a very close and reasonable approximation of the station's signal, but not the "official" map that the FCC has on file.
To get the skinny on AM stations' signals, check the FCC Audio Division site, where you can find the technical parameters for WIBX including antenna electrical lengths in degrees, spacing and phase ratios.
Here's another look at the WIBX pattern as plotted on a 360 degree polar projection from the FCC's data base.
This is pretty technical stuff and may be more than you want to know, but given your appreciation for the Radio-Locator map, I thought you'd like to see the FCC data.
Best regards,
Jim Pastrick
Please note that I'm far from an expert, I've just been fortunate to work with people who are very knowledgeable about this stuff.
When I worked in Utica as PD of 1550 WBVM (admittedly, a long time ago), WIBX was the big dog of AM. WTLB and WRUN were going at it mano a mano with their Top 40 formats. On FM, WIBQ (which I always thought were really cool call letters) and WOUR were the big dogs.
WBVM at that time was an Oldies-Classic Hits station before the name "Classic Hits" was created. Man, if we only knew what we were doing! We did alright until WKGW-FM came on and blew our doors off, but it was a nice ride, however short. In '78 I was offered a job at Q-FM-97 (ironically, on 96.9) and came back to Buffalo, where I've been ever since.
As their disclaimer notes, Radio-Locator maps are an approximation. It's a very close and reasonable approximation of the station's signal, but not the "official" map that the FCC has on file.
To get the skinny on AM stations' signals, check the FCC Audio Division site, where you can find the technical parameters for WIBX including antenna electrical lengths in degrees, spacing and phase ratios.
Here's another look at the WIBX pattern as plotted on a 360 degree polar projection from the FCC's data base.
This is pretty technical stuff and may be more than you want to know, but given your appreciation for the Radio-Locator map, I thought you'd like to see the FCC data.
Best regards,
Jim Pastrick
Hi Jim...I do not know you personally, but I have heard so many positive things about you and your career in radio. Your insight into the WIBX signal coverage is very informative. Having worked at WIBX in the late 80's and early 90's, and working at that time WNYZ and Lite 98.7, I still have an interest in those properties. And because I currently freelance and do high school sports on WIBX, I am always concerned about making sure the signal and sound quality is where it should be. I guess that is one thing an old timer like me at 53 has on his mind.
I checked the links you included in your last post and found them very interesting. I wish I had some equipment, because even though the WIBX signal pattern shows they do not reach the West past the Canastota area, I still say something is not quite right with the signal in that Verona area. I understand there can be a null, but living here most of my life, except for a 4-year stint in Chicago, I know that WIBX used to boom into the Verona area and did not get out of range until past Oneida, heading further West. It's not the end of the world, but I have felt over the years, that even though someone like me does not know engineering technical information, I have a bit of a knack knowing when something isn't quite right with a signal or sound quality, and in WIBX situation, it just doesn't perfect.
I will be asking some questions to their engineer just to make sure everything is reading where it should.
To DUSTINTV who mentioned to me that he could not believe WGY's signal did not come in to the Utica/Rome area at night clearly, I must mention again that this is true. On the Albany market board, there were many posts this past summer on this subject. If you are already in this area, or get to this area, try WGY at night. Skywave or not, it is hard to believe that a 50,000 clear channel station at 810 on the dial that used to blanket this area many years ago day and night, cannot even get a signal into this area at only 90-miles down the road.
Jim...Maybe you can shed some light on this. 50,000 watts at night, 90-miles away, I would think their sound would come out of my water pipes in the house. Anyone who live in Central or Upstate New York, give WGY a listen to after sunset, or eve around sunset and later in the evening. You will only hear noise, inteference, and another station battling WGY on the same frequency. It's the craziest thing I have ever noticed.
Thanks again everyone for thier informative posts.
I checked the links you included in your last post and found them very interesting. I wish I had some equipment, because even though the WIBX signal pattern shows they do not reach the West past the Canastota area, I still say something is not quite right with the signal in that Verona area. I understand there can be a null, but living here most of my life, except for a 4-year stint in Chicago, I know that WIBX used to boom into the Verona area and did not get out of range until past Oneida, heading further West. It's not the end of the world, but I have felt over the years, that even though someone like me does not know engineering technical information, I have a bit of a knack knowing when something isn't quite right with a signal or sound quality, and in WIBX situation, it just doesn't perfect.
I will be asking some questions to their engineer just to make sure everything is reading where it should.
To DUSTINTV who mentioned to me that he could not believe WGY's signal did not come in to the Utica/Rome area at night clearly, I must mention again that this is true. On the Albany market board, there were many posts this past summer on this subject. If you are already in this area, or get to this area, try WGY at night. Skywave or not, it is hard to believe that a 50,000 clear channel station at 810 on the dial that used to blanket this area many years ago day and night, cannot even get a signal into this area at only 90-miles down the road.
Jim...Maybe you can shed some light on this. 50,000 watts at night, 90-miles away, I would think their sound would come out of my water pipes in the house. Anyone who live in Central or Upstate New York, give WGY a listen to after sunset, or eve around sunset and later in the evening. You will only hear noise, inteference, and another station battling WGY on the same frequency. It's the craziest thing I have ever noticed.
Thanks again everyone for thier informative posts.
Dave4120 said:If I understand the map correctly of the WIBX pattern, in your expert opinion, is it showing that their signal should be heard in Verona and maybe Oneida, or not?
Adding to what others have said... I think the first map was a little too "zoomed out" to really tell exactly where the lines are, in relation to Oneida, Verona and Canastota. Because of that weird "butterfly" pattern, it's very likely Canastota could get a better WIBX signal, even though it's actually further west than Vernon and Oneida.
Isn't it fun doing a remote when you can't even monitor the air signal?
With regard to the WGY signal getting into Utica-Rome: During my drive back to Buffalo from Albany last month, listening to the stock radio in my car, the signal was strong until about Herkimer
My car radio has a solid FM section with good receptivity and selectivity. The AM section isn't bad, but the receiving antenna is imbedded in th car's windshield, so there's a certain directionality to it, or so it seems. Traveling westbound, it would appear that the car antenna was perpendicular to the WGY antenna.
Every time I drive by that classic WGY tower in Schenectady, it occurs to me that it should be a lot taller for 810 kHz. Maybe it's a tuned quarter wave, I'm not sure.
You'd think GE, having built and owned the legendary station, would have installed a 5/8 wavelength antenna. Using the formula, 585 / Frequency in MegaHertz, or 585 / .810, a 5/8 wavelength stick for 810 kHz would be about 722 feet!
A half wavelength would be about 577 feet and a quarter wavelength would be approximately 288.8 feet. If my calculations are anywhere near correct, the WGY stick looks to be a quarter wavelength.
I can't remember or find the formula for converting electrical degrees to feet (or meters) so if anybody has the formula, the exact height of the WGY antenna can be known just by referencing the WGY page linked above to the FCC website.
As to 810 WGY's poor reception in Utica, it may be that Utica is at point where the WGY skyway and groundwave meet at nearly the same time, resulting in a cancellation effect, or minimizing effect.
A similar effect occurs with 50kW, 1180 WHAM Rochester getting into Buffalo and WWKB getting into Rochester. You'd think they would be very strong, being 50kW signals and the proximity of Buffalo and Rochester, but the signal strength for both stations is nothing more than average.
My car radio has a solid FM section with good receptivity and selectivity. The AM section isn't bad, but the receiving antenna is imbedded in th car's windshield, so there's a certain directionality to it, or so it seems. Traveling westbound, it would appear that the car antenna was perpendicular to the WGY antenna.
Every time I drive by that classic WGY tower in Schenectady, it occurs to me that it should be a lot taller for 810 kHz. Maybe it's a tuned quarter wave, I'm not sure.
You'd think GE, having built and owned the legendary station, would have installed a 5/8 wavelength antenna. Using the formula, 585 / Frequency in MegaHertz, or 585 / .810, a 5/8 wavelength stick for 810 kHz would be about 722 feet!
A half wavelength would be about 577 feet and a quarter wavelength would be approximately 288.8 feet. If my calculations are anywhere near correct, the WGY stick looks to be a quarter wavelength.
I can't remember or find the formula for converting electrical degrees to feet (or meters) so if anybody has the formula, the exact height of the WGY antenna can be known just by referencing the WGY page linked above to the FCC website.
As to 810 WGY's poor reception in Utica, it may be that Utica is at point where the WGY skyway and groundwave meet at nearly the same time, resulting in a cancellation effect, or minimizing effect.
A similar effect occurs with 50kW, 1180 WHAM Rochester getting into Buffalo and WWKB getting into Rochester. You'd think they would be very strong, being 50kW signals and the proximity of Buffalo and Rochester, but the signal strength for both stations is nothing more than average.
JimPastrick said:Every time I drive by that classic WGY tower in Schenectady, it occurs to me that it should be a lot taller for 810 kHz. Maybe it's a tuned quarter wave, I'm not sure.
You'd think GE, having built and owned the legendary station, would have installed a 5/8 wavelength antenna. Using the formula, 585 / Frequency in MegaHertz, or 585 / .810, a 5/8 wavelength stick for 810 kHz would be about 722 feet!
A half wavelength would be about 577 feet and a quarter wavelength would be approximately 288.8 feet. If my calculations are anywhere near correct, the WGY stick looks to be a quarter wavelength.
The only trouble with having a taller or short stick....depending on the dial position, etc etc etc, this has an effect on skywave and ground wave cancelation close in or farther out from the station. It may very well be that the engineering behind WGY's tower height is to minimize ground wave and skywave cancelation close in the Albany region...which is where their primary audience is located. I know of a station in NC, WBT 1110 khz has a booming signal everywhere but its local night time coverage suffers due to the skywave/ground wave interaction. It is all about the tower height as it effects the take off angle of the skywave.
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As to 810 WGY's poor reception in Utica, it may be that Utica is at point where the WGY skyway and groundwave meet at nearly the same time, resulting in a cancellation effect, or minimizing effect.
A similar effect occurs with 50kW, 1180 WHAM Rochester getting into Buffalo and WWKB getting into Rochester. You'd think they would be very strong, being 50kW signals and the proximity of Buffalo and Rochester, but the signal strength for both stations is nothing more than average.
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As someone in another posted mentioned...HD. The only effect that HD is having on WGY is that it makes the analog audio sound really rough around the edges..muffled and turns 810 into a buzz saw jammer for stations on 800 and 820 khz. Many folks on various message boards are noting the problems that IBUZ is causing at night.
But to comment, yes the skywave/ground wave is probably having an effect.
While we're on other stations, I remember driving through and thinking that 1450 in Rome had a pretty decent signal for 1 kW. Still true?
Hello KJCB...I worked at the 1450 in Rome for years. Actually, learned from many of the staff at WKAL when I was a teen. When the station was 1,000 non-directional day and 250 watts at night, they got out the best with their signal. The daytime signal went an average of 45 miles or so in all directions and the 250 watts at night put out a clear signal for about 15 miles.
Then I remember the FCC coming up with one of there brilliant ideas and passed a law that said all stations on local frequencies such as 1450, could increase their power at night from 250 watts to 1,000 watts, if all stations would accept each others interferance, if any.
What a bad idea. From a 15-mile coverage area at night on 250 watts, the signal coverage dropped to about 5 miles, on a good night, because everyone was, and still, in most cases, interferes with one another.
The old 1450-WKAL isn't a factor anymore. Several years ago it was sold to a religous group which carries a satellite feed from wherever they are located.
Hope this helps.
By the way to MIDATLANTIC ENGINEER...I am still learning about skywave and directional signals that we disccused earlier in the WGY situation. Do all stations have a skywave drop-out. I guess what I am wondering is how can I pick up WSYR in Syracuse at 5,000 crystal clear at night at 50-miles away, and not WGY at 50,000 watts, 90-miles away. Do just the high powered stations like WGY have a more pronounced skywave bounce that shoots over areas like Rome?
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Then I remember the FCC coming up with one of there brilliant ideas and passed a law that said all stations on local frequencies such as 1450, could increase their power at night from 250 watts to 1,000 watts, if all stations would accept each others interferance, if any.
What a bad idea. From a 15-mile coverage area at night on 250 watts, the signal coverage dropped to about 5 miles, on a good night, because everyone was, and still, in most cases, interferes with one another.
The old 1450-WKAL isn't a factor anymore. Several years ago it was sold to a religous group which carries a satellite feed from wherever they are located.
Hope this helps.
By the way to MIDATLANTIC ENGINEER...I am still learning about skywave and directional signals that we disccused earlier in the WGY situation. Do all stations have a skywave drop-out. I guess what I am wondering is how can I pick up WSYR in Syracuse at 5,000 crystal clear at night at 50-miles away, and not WGY at 50,000 watts, 90-miles away. Do just the high powered stations like WGY have a more pronounced skywave bounce that shoots over areas like Rome?
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