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saintrichard

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If Radio One could of pulled off one of the biggest, underhanded, stunts in the history of radio, by depriving a city in New Jersey of its heritage signal and bringing it to a Center City antenna, then the FCC should have no problem with granting WTHK a permit to build on the WJJZ tower. Alternative coming to Philly in January??? Wish they could of moved to Liberty One, R1 demanded it for WRNB, instead of their original WKDN hookup.
 
> If Radio One could of pulled off one of the biggest,
> underhanded, stunts in the history of radio, by depriving a
> city in New Jersey of its heritage signal and bringing it to
> a Center City antenna, then the FCC should have no problem
> with granting WTHK a permit to build on the WJJZ tower.
> Alternative coming to Philly in January??? Wish they could
> of moved to Liberty One, R1 demanded it for WRNB, instead of
> their original WKDN hookup.

Congratulations! You've demonstrated a precisely zero-percent understanding of how these moves work.

It wasn't Radio One that moved WSNJ-FM out of Bridgeton. It was Ed Seeger, and if it had been worth more to keep WSNJ-FM where it was, I'm sure the Bold family would have been happy to entertain a higher offer.

All Seeger did was to follow the FCC's established procedures for changing the community of license of a station. You may disagree with those rules - I certainly have problems with them, especially with the way the commission addresses stations moving into urbanized areas, as WSNJ-FM did, but the FCC's actually very consistent in its applications of its own rules, which means that folks like Seeger who know how to work those rules to their own advantage can reap quite a profit as a result. But Seeger (and First Broadcasting, and the other companies that specialize in move-ins) is just a symptom; the issue is with the rules that the FCC itself established that left essentially no room to do anything but approve the application.

All R1 did was to buy the CP for 107.9 from Seeger when he then put it up for sale. By the time R1 entered the picture, the move out of Bridgeton was already a done deal.

R1 didn't "demand" One Liberty for WRNB. They did what any other broadcaster in need of a transmitter site does - they agreed to rent space from the management company that operates the One Liberty site.

Whether or not the WTHK move to Wyndmoor is granted has absolutely nothing to do with the WSNJ move. The FCC has already approved the change of WTHK's city of license to Burlington. Once that's done, the approval of ANY site that meets the FCC's spacing criteria (60 dBu signal over all of the city of license, and minimum spacing to other stations on co- and adjacent channels) is pretty much a given.

It so happens that One Liberty does NOT meet those minimum spacings; it's too close to WIXM on 97.3. Roxborough doesn't work, either. Wyndmoor does, with some directionalizing to provide the appropriate protections to WIXM and to WRVV in Harrisburg, and so Wyndmoor it will be.

Any speculation on format is just that - speculation - and pointless, to boot, since we have no idea who'll own 97.5 once the move is made. <P ID="signature">______________
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> Whether or not the WTHK move to Wyndmoor is granted has
> absolutely nothing to do with the WSNJ move. The FCC has
> already approved the change of WTHK's city of license to
> Burlington. Once that's done, the approval of ANY site that
> meets the FCC's spacing criteria (60 dBu signal over all of
> the city of license, and minimum spacing to other stations
> on co- and adjacent channels) is pretty much a given.
>
Since WTHK will have to be directional from Wyndmoor, a new antenna will be required. Is there room for another antenna on the tower and can the tower withstand the additional weight? If not, will the local authorities permit replacing the tower with a newer and sturdier structure--perhaps one with a candelabra top that can accommodate the new antenna? If a new tower is required, I can imagine Nassau having to shell out multiple $millions because of the cost of moving all of the services from the existing tower to the new one. And if the tower must be replaced, what will be the effect of a shift of even a few meters in the coordinates of everything else on the tower? Until whoever owns the tower has the building permit in hand, it doesn't sound to me as if this move is a done deal at all--unless, of course, someone involved in one of the existing or proposed tower occupants can arrange an "accident" that results in the condemnation of the existing structure. Even then, there could be a lot of wrangling about the replacement.
 
> Until whoever owns the tower
> has the building permit in hand, it doesn't sound to me as
> if this move is a done deal at all--unless, of course,
> someone involved in one of the existing or proposed tower
> occupants can arrange an "accident" that results in the
> condemnation of the existing structure. Even then, there
> could be a lot of wrangling about the replacement.

There are multiple towers up at Wyndmoor these days, and the tower where WTHK will go is not the same one where WJJZ is. WTHK will use a tower at 1230 Mermaid Lane that was built in 1999 by Pinnacle Towers. (ASR #1025525) It looks like that tower also has a WJJZ aux antenna on it, but nothing else for broadcast use. I'm sure anything built that recently can handle an FM antenna without any trouble, and I'd be shocked if there wasn't already a signed lease agreement between Nassau and Pinnacle Towers.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > If Radio One could of pulled off one of the biggest,
> > underhanded, stunts in the history of radio, by depriving
> a
> > city in New Jersey of its heritage signal and bringing it
> to
> > a Center City antenna, then the FCC should have no problem
>
> > with granting WTHK a permit to build on the WJJZ tower.
> > Alternative coming to Philly in January??? Wish they could
>
> > of moved to Liberty One, R1 demanded it for WRNB, instead
> of
> > their original WKDN hookup.
>
> Congratulations! You've demonstrated a precisely
> zero-percent understanding of how these moves work.
>
> It wasn't Radio One that moved WSNJ-FM out of Bridgeton. It
> was Ed Seeger, and if it had been worth more to keep WSNJ-FM
> where it was, I'm sure the Bold family would have been happy
> to entertain a higher offer.
>
> All Seeger did was to follow the FCC's established
> procedures for changing the community of license of a
> station. You may disagree with those rules - I certainly
> have problems with them, especially with the way the
> commission addresses stations moving into urbanized areas,
> as WSNJ-FM did, but the FCC's actually very consistent in
> its applications of its own rules, which means that folks
> like Seeger who know how to work those rules to their own
> advantage can reap quite a profit as a result. But Seeger
> (and First Broadcasting, and the other companies that
> specialize in move-ins) is just a symptom; the issue is with
> the rules that the FCC itself established that left
> essentially no room to do anything but approve the
> application.
>
> All R1 did was to buy the CP for 107.9 from Seeger when he
> then put it up for sale. By the time R1 entered the picture,
> the move out of Bridgeton was already a done deal.
>
> R1 didn't "demand" One Liberty for WRNB. They did what any
> other broadcaster in need of a transmitter site does - they
> agreed to rent space from the management company that
> operates the One Liberty site.
>
> Whether or not the WTHK move to Wyndmoor is granted has
> absolutely nothing to do with the WSNJ move. The FCC has
> already approved the change of WTHK's city of license to
> Burlington. Once that's done, the approval of ANY site that
> meets the FCC's spacing criteria (60 dBu signal over all of
> the city of license, and minimum spacing to other stations
> on co- and adjacent channels) is pretty much a given.
>
> It so happens that One Liberty does NOT meet those minimum
> spacings; it's too close to WIXM on 97.3. Roxborough doesn't
> work, either. Wyndmoor does, with some directionalizing to
> provide the appropriate protections to WIXM and to WRVV in
> Harrisburg, and so Wyndmoor it will be.
>
> Any speculation on format is just that - speculation - and
> pointless, to boot, since we have no idea who'll own 97.5
> once the move is made.
>
Hey Scott. We're going to put a stop to these move-ins in the latest bill from Congress. First Broadcasting should be shaking in their cowboy boots, because this is for real. It's a tweak from Senate Bill 312. Pay particular attention to
page 14 & 15, "(6) Proceeding to resolve the problem of Encroachment". They will especially enjoy paragraph 6B. And the NAB can't save them, the NAB is on the record as opposing rural to urban move-ins.

http://www.prometheusradio.org/local_community_radio_act.pdf
 
And after visiting Wyndmoor last week, I have to correct myself: the tower in question at 1230 Mermaid Lane is in fact THE tower at Wyndmoor, the old self-supporter of WPTZ-TV fame, now used by WJJZ and zillions of two-way and cell users. The confusion came from the ASR record for the tower, which claims it was built in 1999 - obviously not the case.

WTHK will probably need some kind of panel antenna, and that will likely mean displacing some two-way users from near the top of the tower.<P ID="signature">______________
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