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WTOP-FM Washington DC July 11, 2011

radioguy39nj said:
It sure sounds like WCBS Newsradio 880! If WCBS ever gets to FM, it'll sound just like that! :)
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It already does on 101.1 HD3, and it's not half-bad sounding in HD on 880 itself, either (when it's not dropping out, that is).
 
Theater of My Mind said:
radioguy39nj said:
It sure sounds like WCBS Newsradio 880! If WCBS ever gets to FM, it'll sound just like that! :)
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It already does on 101.1 HD3, and it's not half-bad sounding in HD on 880 itself, either (when it's not dropping out, that is).
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I wouldn't be surprised if that is the next result of another "blowup" of 'CBS-FM.

The simulcast was probably left over from the original turn-on of the HDs and that was before the Jack mistake.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
No, I meant WCBS 880 can be heard on those two local HD feeds, and the HD audio quality "sounds just like that" (just like the WTOP FM aircheck, which I think is what radioguy39nj meant).
 
badjef said:
Theater of My Mind said:
radioguy39nj said:
It sure sounds like WCBS Newsradio 880! If WCBS ever gets to FM, it'll sound just like that! :)
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It already does on 101.1 HD3, and it's not half-bad sounding in HD on 880 itself, either (when it's not dropping out, that is).
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I wouldn't be surprised if that is the next result of another "blowup" of 'CBS-FM.

The simulcast was probably left over from the original turn-on of the HDs and that was before the Jack mistake.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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There is one reason I don't think WCBS Newsradio, should it simulcast on FM, will not be on 101.1 HD-1. WBEB Philadelphia, also on 101.1. CBS won't want its flagship all-newser on FM getting clipped in the midst of the New Jersey wealth belt. :)
 
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
 
wpb1999 said:
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
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LMAs and JSAs count against market caps.
 
wpb1999 said:
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
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That would be my bet.

WINS doesn't have near the signal 880 does. An FM would fill in those gaps and since the simulcast is on 102.7, (hd-3, I think) already, it is simply a matter of a flip of switch.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
badjef said:
wpb1999 said:
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
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That would be my bet.

WINS doesn't have near the signal 880 does. An FM would fill in those gaps and since the simulcast is on 102.7, (hd-3, I think) already, it is simply a matter of a flip of switch.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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Fresh 102.7 is doing well vs Lite-FM so I doubt CBS will blow it up. As for WINS getting an FM simulcast, I don't think so. Remember, WINS' news coverage focuses on NYC. Their directional signal covers the market they want to reach. Adding a full-market class B FM will put them in areas that don't care about NYC news 24/7.

Also, WCBS is CBS' flagship staion. If CBS had to make a choice, no doubt it would be WCBS simulcast on an FM signal and sell WINS.

The only CBS FM station that's vulnerable is 92.3, since it's CBS lowest rated NY FM. A simulcast of WFAN on 92.3 wouldn't be a surprise, especially if ESPN gets on FM.

Speculation is fun! :)
 
radioguy39nj said:
badjef said:
wpb1999 said:
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
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That would be my bet.

WINS doesn't have near the signal 880 does. An FM would fill in those gaps and since the simulcast is on 102.7, (hd-3, I think) already, it is simply a matter of a flip of switch.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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Fresh 102.7 is doing well vs Lite-FM so I doubt CBS will blow it up. As for WINS getting an FM simulcast, I don't think so. Remember, WINS' news coverage focuses on NYC. Their directional signal covers the market they want to reach. Adding a full-market class B FM will put them in areas that don't care about NYC news 24/7.

Also, WCBS is CBS' flagship staion. If CBS had to make a choice, no doubt it would be WCBS simulcast on an FM signal and sell WINS.

The only CBS FM station that's vulnerable is 92.3, since it's CBS lowest rated NY FM. A simulcast of WFAN on 92.3 wouldn't be a surprise, especially if ESPN gets on FM.
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If it was another market, it would not be as easy as flipping a switch. At Empire, the swap is made easier because you have all of the transmitters in the same place. Whether it would be the flip of a switch for 102.7, or placing it on 92.3, it won't be that much harder. Where I am, it is made more difficult because the transmitters are scattered market-wide, so you are left with the additional logistics of signal strength and location. Empire has none of that since all of the signals are coming from the "Center of the Universe". The base of the tower on top of Empire IS the "Center of the Universe"! Now, you are just left with the question of dial position.
Speculation is fun! :)
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Yeah, it is!

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
radioguy39nj said:
badjef said:
wpb1999 said:
WINS should get a simulcast before WCBS does, but I don't think CBS (with the exception on 92.3) should kill one of their radio stations. There is always a LMA that could happen, because CBS is at its buying limit.
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That would be my bet.

WINS doesn't have near the signal 880 does. An FM would fill in those gaps and since the simulcast is on 102.7, (hd-3, I think) already, it is simply a matter of a flip of switch.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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Fresh 102.7 is doing well vs Lite-FM so I doubt CBS will blow it up. As for WINS getting an FM simulcast, I don't think so. Remember, WINS' news coverage focuses on NYC. Their directional signal covers the market they want to reach. Adding a full-market class B FM will put them in areas that don't care about NYC news 24/7.

Also, WCBS is CBS' flagship staion. If CBS had to make a choice, no doubt it would be WCBS simulcast on an FM signal and sell WINS.

The only CBS FM station that's vulnerable is 92.3, since it's CBS lowest rated NY FM. A simulcast of WFAN on 92.3 wouldn't be a surprise, especially if ESPN gets on FM.

Speculation is fun! :)
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But wait WINS has a higher share in the ratings than WCBS in NYC. I looked at the NYC books and WINS gets a 3.5 and WCBS gets a 2.8. CBS can't sell WINS. I say CBS should keep WINS and WCBS. But CBS would bypass the FM simulcast in New York. That would be that radio.com (CBS owned web Radio site) would have to sign an agreement with a car company to be on a dashboard app for the 2014 and later car models. Look at Clear Channel and Pandora they signed an agreement with Toyota to be on a dashboard app for the prius for 2012 and 2013.
 
If Merlin makes some serious headway then CBS will (might) put one of there news stations. WBBM Chicago has a FM and ratings are headed the wrong way.

http://www.radio-info.com/stations/wbbm-am

I know WTOP improved when they went to FM but, the 1500 AM Signal is lacking especially to the East at night:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WFED&service=AM&status=L&hours=N

WSB in Atlanta gained when they went with a FM along with their AM but soil conditions in North Ga. really limit any AM station's coverage. It also helps if there are other viable AM signals in the market.

IF FM was the "magic bullet" Merlin would be King of NYC Radio News.
 
secondchoice said:
If Merlin makes some serious headway then CBS will (might) put one of there news stations. WBBM Chicago has a FM and ratings are headed the wrong way.

http://www.radio-info.com/stations/wbbm-am

I know WTOP improved when they went to FM but, the 1500 AM Signal is lacking especially to the East at night:

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WFED&service=AM&status=L&hours=N

WSB in Atlanta gained when they went with a FM along with their AM but soil conditions in North Ga. really limit any AM station's coverage. It also helps if there are other viable AM signals in the market.

IF FM was the "magic bullet" Merlin would be King of NYC Radio News.
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WIQI only has a .3 in the February Books. WBBM went low to 4.7. WBBM-am/FM is more worried with WGN 720AM.

Look at KCBS in San Francisco the lowest I saw was at 5.5 in the books and KQED(NPR station) beat them at a 6.0 and KOIT(AC station) would go as high as 6.2 sometimes. I know in San Francisco KCBS rose to 6.6 in the books and KGO went to 2.7 in the books in February. WTOP rose to 7.5 in the books in DC even though its competing against WNEW-FM in DC.
 
secondchoice said:
IF FM was the "magic bullet" Merlin would be King of NYC Radio News.
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Nobody has said that FM was the "magic bullet". What has been found is that in areas where the AM is deficient, that the FM will help to draw a younger demographic less likely to put up with the noise and sound quality of the AM signal.

As for WINS "beating" WCBS, again, the AM signal from WINS is deficient as opposed to WCBS. (there is something about that 1010 signal). People tune to WINS for different reasons. (they like the modern teletype sounds :) )

An alternate way has to be available for the spoken words on AM. HD did not deliver on its promise, that is if there were any real promises made in the first place.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Well Didn't CBS end all-news KFWB because they had lower ratings than KNX and KFWB has a bad signal than KNX 1070. I know CBS sold KFWB in 2011 because they wanted to put greater focus on KNX 1070.
 
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