WTTM and EBC/ESPN Rumors

[Neal]

OK guys
Here we go with some limited details
first off..

WTTM 1680 is Moving its transmitter site Down to the Philly Market
aka Lindenwold. I will be out of the Office doing the New buildout all week
at the New site... what the Format will Be is anyones Guess..( korean,chinese)
My boss has not told me this info yet.
I doubt it will be ESPN..
Now as for 1170... WWTR has really good coverage into the Edison South asian market. For its Power level Its coverage Serves EBC well.
WCTC would have been a better move but there are reasons EBC could not move to
1450.. EBC was doing research On the different stations signal coverage To Best serve them... 1070 was not an option. its signal did not do well to cover
its listening area at 250 watts.. same with 1530 at 1kw.
Because 1450 was not an option. EBC has no choice but to go daytime only
,and WWTR 1170 had the best Coverage to Power ratio than the other 2 daytimers.
to cover its listening area.
any questions to any of this ask Me Personally.. lets not start spreading false rumors....
WTTM 1680 will still be an MRBI station..
I will be out in the field all week. But can be reached Via my Cell only
Neal-CE
WTTM

 

[bierkenstock]

Oh, jezz Louise, not another foreign language station! Why not just dynamite the transmitter? At least that would make a good bit on Action News. What is the purpose of Korean - Chinese on 1170 AND 1680?

A long shot - they could try a real radio format. The only one left is progressive talk. A good radio operator could make a go of that in this market. Just don't do an LMA (again); do it yourself. And don't put all your eggs in AAR's basket.

>
> WTTM 1680 is Moving its transmitter site Down to the Philly
> Market
> aka Lindenwold. I will be out of the Office doing the New
> buildout all week
> at the New site... what the Format will Be is anyones
> Guess..( korean,chinese)
>

 

[lance]

> Oh, jezz Louise, not another foreign language station! Why
> not just dynamite the transmitter? At least that would make
> a good bit on Action News. What is the purpose of Korean -
> Chinese on 1170 AND 1680?

Actually, it's South Asian, ie. Indian. And if you were at all familiar with the exploding Indian population in the Edison area, you'd know that this is a HUGE programming hole in the area.

And they won't be on 1680 anymore. 1680 is relocating its transmitter from Hopewell in Mercer County to Lindenwold in Camden County to become a Philadelphia market station.

The two former stations, 1680 and 89.3 had to rimshot their audience with signal that had no chance at reaching them properly. With EBC moving to 1170, granted on a daytimer, they will at least be heard by ALL of their potential listeners. I'm even willing to bet that 1170 appears in the Middlesex/Somerset/Union book by the Winter.

And Progressive Talk is available in Middlesex/Somerset/Union on 1190 WLIB.


> A long shot - they could try a real radio format. The only
> one left is progressive talk. A good radio operator could
> make a go of that in this market. Just don't do an LMA
> (again); do it yourself. And don't put all your eggs in
> AAR's basket.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>

 

[Harold]

> OK guys
> Here we go with some limited details
> first off..
>
> WTTM 1680 is Moving its transmitter site Down to the Philly
> Market
> aka Lindenwold. I will be out of the Office doing the New
> buildout all week
> at the New site... what the Format will Be is anyones
> Guess..( korean,chinese)
> My boss has not told me this info yet.
> I doubt it will be ESPN..
> Now as for 1170... WWTR has really good coverage into the
> Edison South asian market. For its Power level Its coverage
> Serves EBC well.
> WCTC would have been a better move but there are reasons
> EBC could not move to
> 1450.. EBC was doing research On the different stations
> signal coverage To Best serve them... 1070 was not an
> option. its signal did not do well to cover
> its listening area at 250 watts.. same with 1530 at 1kw.
> Because 1450 was not an option. EBC has no choice but to go
> daytime only
> ,and WWTR 1170 had the best Coverage to Power ratio than the
> other 2 daytimers.
> to cover its listening area.
> any questions to any of this ask Me Personally.. lets not
> start spreading false rumors....
> WTTM 1680 will still be an MRBI station..
> I will be out in the field all week. But can be reached
> Via my Cell only
> Neal-CE
> WTTM
>

Here we go again!! Yet more dissolution of whatever is
left of the broadcast industry in New Jersey.

The 1680-frequency, granted to provide improved service
in the Princeton area, will leave the state to serve
another city in another state. The 1170-kHz frequency,
the only AM station in Somerset County, will be used
to transmit Indian music and language..not to people
in the Somerville area..but to people in Edison..miles
away. The winners in this deal are not the public,
which owns the frequencies, but the people who are
going to use them only to make money for themselves.
And yes...a broadcaster is entitled to make money. But
that broadcaster has an obligation to serve the public.
And no...Hindi-language programming and Indian music
is not the way to serve the majority of people in and
around an area that has no other local AM service.

As an aside, I recall a whole bunch of enthusiastic
WMTR/Oldies fans championing their station several
months ago. I wonder what they think of an oldies
station going off the air in central New Jersey.

 

[westlife]

> The 1170-kHz frequency,
> the only AM station in Somerset County,

1450 WCTC has their studios and backup transmitter site (250W on the WMGQ tower) located in Somerset County -- 78 Veronica Avenue in Somerset, to be exact.

> As an aside, I recall a whole bunch of enthusiastic
> WMTR/Oldies fans championing their station several
> months ago. I wonder what they think of an oldies
> station going off the air in central New Jersey.

It's not going off the air. It's moving to FM!

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[westlife]

> And Progressive Talk is available in
> Middlesex/Somerset/Union on 1190 WLIB.

WCTC's morning host Jack Ellery is also proudly Liberal.

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"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>

 

[Techman]

> Fans will be protesting again and this time at there studios People found out today in central Jersey and they are mad. No fear I will be starting a low power legal AM next year on 1580 which will have a 5 mile radius. A engineer friend of mine has one runiing in PA and it works well and the FCC checked it and it's perfectly leagal and you can sell spots too. My format will be Rockin Oldies 1580 coming in the spring.

> > Here we go with some limited details
> > first off..
> >
> > WTTM 1680 is Moving its transmitter site Down to the
> Philly
> > Market
> > aka Lindenwold. I will be out of the Office doing the New
> > buildout all week
> > at the New site... what the Format will Be is anyones
> > Guess..( korean,chinese)
> > My boss has not told me this info yet.
> > I doubt it will be ESPN..
> > Now as for 1170... WWTR has really good coverage into the
>
> > Edison South asian market. For its Power level Its
> coverage
> > Serves EBC well.
> > WCTC would have been a better move but there are reasons
> > EBC could not move to
> > 1450.. EBC was doing research On the different stations
> > signal coverage To Best serve them... 1070 was not an
> > option. its signal did not do well to cover
> > its listening area at 250 watts.. same with 1530 at 1kw.
> > Because 1450 was not an option. EBC has no choice but to
> go
> > daytime only
> > ,and WWTR 1170 had the best Coverage to Power ratio than
> the
> > other 2 daytimers.
> > to cover its listening area.
> > any questions to any of this ask Me Personally.. lets not
>
> > start spreading false rumors....
> > WTTM 1680 will still be an MRBI station..
> > I will be out in the field all week. But can be reached
> > Via my Cell only
> > Neal-CE
> > WTTM
> >
>
> Here we go again!! Yet more dissolution of whatever is
> left of the broadcast industry in New Jersey.
>
> The 1680-frequency, granted to provide improved service
> in the Princeton area, will leave the state to serve
> another city in another state. The 1170-kHz frequency,
> the only AM station in Somerset County, will be used
> to transmit Indian music and language..not to people
> in the Somerville area..but to people in Edison..miles
> away. The winners in this deal are not the public,
> which owns the frequencies, but the people who are
> going to use them only to make money for themselves.
> And yes...a broadcaster is entitled to make money. But
> that broadcaster has an obligation to serve the public.
> And no...Hindi-language programming and Indian music
> is not the way to serve the majority of people in and
> around an area that has no other local AM service.
>
> As an aside, I recall a whole bunch of enthusiastic
> WMTR/Oldies fans championing their station several
> months ago. I wonder what they think of an oldies
> station going off the air in central New Jersey.
>

 

[Techman]

> >89.3 is going to 1070 soon

Oh, jezz Louise, not another foreign language station!
> Why
> > not just dynamite the transmitter? At least that would
> make
> > a good bit on Action News. What is the purpose of Korean
> -
> > Chinese on 1170 AND 1680?
>
> Actually, it's South Asian, ie. Indian. And if you were at
> all familiar with the exploding Indian population in the
> Edison area, you'd know that this is a HUGE programming hole
> in the area.
>
> And they won't be on 1680 anymore. 1680 is relocating its
> transmitter from Hopewell in Mercer County to Lindenwold in
> Camden County to become a Philadelphia market station.
>
> The two former stations, 1680 and 89.3 had to rimshot their
> audience with signal that had no chance at reaching them
> properly. With EBC moving to 1170, granted on a daytimer,
> they will at least be heard by ALL of their potential
> listeners. I'm even willing to bet that 1170 appears in the
> Middlesex/Somerset/Union book by the Winter.
>
> And Progressive Talk is available in
> Middlesex/Somerset/Union on 1190 WLIB.
>
>
> > A long shot - they could try a real radio format. The
> only
> > one left is progressive talk. A good radio operator could
>
> > make a go of that in this market. Just don't do an LMA
> > (again); do it yourself. And don't put all your eggs in
> > AAR's basket.
>

 

[westlife]

> 89.3 is going to 1070 soon

They'll fit right in, because WKMB's audio is currently as overmodulated and distorted as 89.3's always was when they had the Indian format.

They'll probably be disappointed, though, that they can't jack up WKMB's old CCA transmitter to more than twice the station's licensed power, like they used to do with the 89.3 transmitter to get a good signal into their target coverage area.

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[tdee]

>When I quit from not being paid and was thrown out I had pulled the - off the balance out of the CRL before I left. The production guy turned all the screws in the CRL and when it was discovered and put back on it was too late the Harris Compressor feeding the CRL-400 was overdriving the CRL and the CRL is overdriving the radio line to the inovonics at the TX and a audio chain is a engineers secret at any radio station and only he can correct it. If they want it fix it will cost them $$$$. So enjoy the overmodulated shouting until the Plate xmfr blows or the FCC sites them. They don't even have a TX Log because they have no way to take readings the TX it's on a Home Depot Timer. I can go on, but I'll stop here.
>
> They'll fit right in, because WKMB's audio is currently as
> overmodulated and distorted as 89.3's always was when they
> had the Indian format.
>
> They'll probably be disappointed, though, that they can't
> jack up WKMB's old CCA transmitter to more than twice the
> station's licensed power, like they used to do with the 89.3
> transmitter to get a good signal into their target coverage
> area.
>

 

[cawasinnj]

> And no...Hindi-language programming and Indian music
> is not the way to serve the majority of people in and
> around an area that has no other local AM service.

Sounds pretty racist to me. What makes one group of people more important than another, especially when the group getting the new signal isn't significantly represented on the radio dial otherwise?

 

[Harold]

> > The 1170-kHz frequency,
> > the only AM station in Somerset County,
>
> 1450 WCTC has their studios and backup transmitter site
> (250W on the WMGQ tower) located in Somerset County -- 78
> Veronica Avenue in Somerset, to be exact.
>
> > As an aside, I recall a whole bunch of enthusiastic
> > WMTR/Oldies fans championing their station several
> > months ago. I wonder what they think of an oldies
> > station going off the air in central New Jersey.
>
> It's not going off the air. It's moving to FM!
>

And the WABC transmiter is in Lodi. Are you suggesting
that WABC isn't a New York City radio station? And yes,
thera are New York stations that have their studios in
New Jersey too.

If you want to challenge my comment that WWTR is the
only AM radio station in Somerset County you will have
to work a little harder.

 

[Harold]

> > And no...Hindi-language programming and Indian music
> > is not the way to serve the majority of people in and
> > around an area that has no other local AM service.
>
> Sounds pretty racist to me. What makes one group of people
> more important than another, especially when the group
> getting the new signal isn't significantly represented on
> the radio dial otherwise?
>

It is axiomatic that people who resort to personal
attacks and slurs have lost the argument. Clearly
you have no sensible alternative so you respond by
branding me with names and try to impugn my character.
I think those who frequent this forum can see through
such cheesy tactics.

 

[Radio411]

> It is axiomatic that people who resort to personal
> attacks and slurs have lost the argument. Clearly
> you have no sensible alternative so you respond by
> branding me with names and try to impugn my character.
> I think those who frequent this forum can see through
> such cheesy tactics.
>

"Harold" it sounds to me that the poster was simply offering his/her own personal observation as so many on here are inclined to do. Afterall, it is a message board that does thrive on input and feedback right?! I consider myself to be well educated, but it also says something about one's character when they use such "over the top" verbiage. "Cheesy" doesn't even begin to describe it...

I always enjoy reading YOUR posts that generally relate to the bashing of Radio in the Great State of NJ! "Thanks for the Memories"...or in this case the "Laughs!"

 

[westlife]

> If you want to challenge my comment that WWTR is the
> only AM radio station in Somerset County you will have
> to work a little harder.

Some counties in NJ don't have any AM radio stations at all. What's the big deal? <P ID="signature">______________

"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>

 

[Harold]

> > If you want to challenge my comment that WWTR is the
> > only AM radio station in Somerset County you will have
> > to work a little harder.
>
> Some counties in NJ don't have any AM radio stations at all.
> What's the big deal?
>

If you believe that radio is basically a means to
send music from a central location to distributed
listeners without using wires, then it is no big
deal. But if you believe that radio broadcasting
is a service by which the public can receive..instantaneously...news
and information, as well as entertainment, then it is a very big
deal indeed.

The residents of a county would not be pleased to
be without police or fire protection. They also would be very
upset if there were no drug stores, supermarkets, gasoline
stations, and newspapers. Would anyone be happy if there
were no hospitals in his or her area? Would they be
satisfied to travel out-of-county to get basic medical
care that was available to those in other counties?

Radio stations should be part of the community they serve,
otherwise they cannot appreciate the issues, understand the
listeners, and contribute to the public weal.

Those counties that lack a local radio station are that much
poorer for it. There are many poor areas in New Jersey.

 

[deepstblu]

> > If you want to challenge my comment that WWTR is the
> > only AM radio station in Somerset County you will have
> > to work a little harder.
>
> Some counties in NJ don't have any AM radio stations at all.

True until fairly recently but not anymore. (Counting by COL, anyway.) One AM for each of the 21 counties:

Atlantic--WOND Pleasantville
Bergen--WWDJ Hackensack
Burlington--WIFI Florence
Camden--WTMR Camden
Cape May--WCMC Wildwood
Cumberland--WSNJ Bridgeton
Essex--WNSW Newark
Gloucester--WNJC Washington Township
Hudson--WWRU Jersey City
Hunterdon--WCHR Flemington
Mercer--WBUD Trenton
Middlesex--WCTC New Brunswick
Monmouth--WADB Asbury Park
Morris--WMTR Morristown
Ocean--WOBM Lakewood Township
Passaic--WPAT Paterson
Salem--WFAI Salem
Somerset--WWTR Bridgewater
Sussex--WNNJ Newton
Union--WKDM Elizabeth
Warren--WRNJ Hackettstown

 

[Neal]

If You think Like that then all am radio stations should Be 500 watts Or less
No reason to have all them 50kw clears......



> If you believe that radio is basically a means to
> send music from a central location to distributed
> listeners without using wires, then it is no big
> deal. But if you believe that radio broadcasting
> is a service by which the public can
> receive..instantaneously...news
> and information, as well as entertainment, then it is a very
> big
> deal indeed.
>
> The residents of a county would not be pleased to
> be without police or fire protection. They also would be
> very
> upset if there were no drug stores, supermarkets, gasoline
> stations, and newspapers. Would anyone be happy if there
> were no hospitals in his or her area? Would they be
> satisfied to travel out-of-county to get basic medical
> care that was available to those in other counties?
>
> Radio stations should be part of the community they serve,
> otherwise they cannot appreciate the issues, understand the
>
> listeners, and contribute to the public weal.
>
> Those counties that lack a local radio station are that much
>
> poorer for it. There are many poor areas in New Jersey.
>

 

[Harold]

> If You think Like that then all am radio stations should Be
> 500 watts Or less
> No reason to have all them 50kw clears......
>


Precisely Neal!!

In the formative years of broadcasting it was
assumed that only the larger cities would have
the resources to provide professionally delivered
news and entertainment. Then they developed
increasingly better networks and even a local
station could have quality national and international
news and an unlimited source of music.

Even rural areas needn't rely on clear-channel stations
for radio services. Much like a cellular telephone
system enables the reuse of UHF channels in limited
areas, a reduction in power levels of some of the
large broadcasters would assist in the development of
new broadcast service in areas that currently don't
have it.

The NAB, existing broadcasters, and all the other
tails that wag the FCC dog would protest mightily,
but a reduction in broadcast power levels would
greatly improve overall service to the public.

I am disappointed that the industry isn't moving
toward digital broadcasting on UHF. Targetted
coverage areas along with digital frequency reuse
would enable a great many more players into the
broadcasting arena. No one station would be more
favored by virtue of dial position or RF power
output. The field would be level and profit would
be based on the quality of the programming not the
very undemocratic government system of frequency
allocation.

 

[Harold]

> > > If you want to challenge my comment that WWTR is the
> > > only AM radio station in Somerset County you will have
> > > to work a little harder.
> >
> > Some counties in NJ don't have any AM radio stations at
> all.
>
> True until fairly recently but not anymore. (Counting by
> COL, anyway.) One AM for each of the 21 counties:
>
> Atlantic--WOND Pleasantville
> Bergen--WWDJ Hackensack
> Burlington--WIFI Florence
> Camden--WTMR Camden
> Cape May--WCMC Wildwood
> Cumberland--WSNJ Bridgeton
> Essex--WNSW Newark
> Gloucester--WNJC Washington Township
> Hudson--WWRU Jersey City
> Hunterdon--WCHR Flemington
> Mercer--WBUD Trenton
> Middlesex--WCTC New Brunswick
> Monmouth--WADB Asbury Park
> Morris--WMTR Morristown
> Ocean--WOBM Lakewood Township
> Passaic--WPAT Paterson
> Salem--WFAI Salem
> Somerset--WWTR Bridgewater
> Sussex--WNNJ Newton
> Union--WKDM Elizabeth
> Warren--WRNJ Hackettstown
>

Much as I cross swords with westlife, I have to jump
to his defense here.

While there might be a station licensed to a COL
in each county, some of those stations are not
there to serve the local audience. WWRU really
isn't a Hudson County station, for example.
Neither does WNSW serve Essex. They are New York
wannabes and act that way. Soon WWTR wouldn't be
a Somerset County station.

In the FCC database I count 42 AM radio stations.
Some serve their COLs, others don't. By contrast,
I count 44 AM stations in Connecticut COLs. The
Nutmeg State is far smaller than New Jersey, in
both population and land area, yet has about the
same number of AM stations. There's something
seriously wrong with this.