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WTUV - Eminence - Dead air for a week

KyDXIn said:
WildcatGuy said:
greg.hahn said:
It would cover Louisville about as well as WAKY does were it not for WLRS on 105.9.

Isn't 105.9 WAYI? WLRS is 105.1.
I'm not an engineer, but IMHO something on the dial needs to go dark or get moved between 105.1 and 105.9. Wasn't WMPI 105.3 one of the first stations licensed and operating in that 105 area? I remember listening to them in the 80s in Corydon. It seemed to be a great music and information station for Scottsburg and vicinity, and from what I understand, is still serving the public as a radio station should. What was the FCC thinking when allocating these frequencies? They didn't do the same for the 103 band, or did they?

103.1 WQNU Lyndon, KY
103.3 WXZZ Georgetown, KY
103.5 WAKY RAdcliff, KY
103.7 WKED Frankfort, KY
103.9 WRKA Louisville, KY

105.1 WLRS Shepherdsville, KY
105.3 WMPI Scottbburg, IN
105.5 WLVK Fort Knox, KY
105.7 WTUV Eminence, KY
105.9 WAYI Valley Station, KY


The fact is, most of the stations in any part of the band are jammed in as closely as we could jam them in. There are minimum mileage requirements that must be met between all stations on the same or adjacent frequencies.

For instance, a class A station (6000 watts) must be a minimum of 71 miles away from the next class A on the same frequency. This distance used to be 65 miles, back when Class A stations were 3000 watts. Upping the power level to 6000 watts increased the minimum mileage to 71 miles, even though many stations were already built and only 66-70 miles apart. That is why some stations to this very day are only 3000 watts rather than 6000.

In 1990, when WRKA was on 103.1, they were exactly 65 miles away from the 103.1 station licensed to Georgetown. In order for WRKA to get the power increase to 6000 watts, we had to find a way to deal with that station, another station in Greensburg, KY, and one in Versailles, IN.

Georgetown we helped move to 103.3. Greensburg signed a mutual agreement with us that said we would both increase to 6000 watts and agree to accept the interference. And we put up a directional antenna with a null to the north that protected the station in Versailles. And so we all got to increase to 6000 watts, but only after all the requirements were met.

WMPI, by the way, was my first radio station. At the time it was on 100.9. For them to increase their power to 6000 watts, they had to move the tower several miles northeast and change frequencies to 105.3.

When that happened, it allowed 100.5 to move from their old site in southwest Jefferson County to their current site near the Snyder Freeway and Taylorsville road. As long as WMPI was on 100.9 and on the southern edge of Clark county, that wasn't feasible.

The point is that there are rules set up for moving radio stations around, and owners do it to their advantage in whatever way they can. The FCC sometimes makes these rules because Congress orders them to do so.

For instance, Congress has passed a few laws to create more radio stations. This was usually done because radio stations were worth a lot of money, so only those people with a lot of money had radio stations. The "little guys" complained, and Congress ordered the FCC to change the law so the little guy could have a station too. Once the little guy got his station, he discovered it was worth a lot of money. So he sold it to the guys that had a lot of money, and the process repeated over and over again.

This is what happened to the stations in the 105 area of the band. Before 1980, 105.1, 105.3, 105.7, and 105.9 were reserved exclusively for 50,000 and 100,000 watt stations. Those were all in other markets, too far to be heard here but too near to allow any big 105 stations in Louisville. When the rules changed, we got 4 new stations, all within the rules set up by the FCC.

When 105.9 went on the air, it trashed the coverage of 105.7 in Louisville. I happen to know the guys at WMPI- 105.3 were shocked at how badly 105.1 interfered with their coverage in the Clarksville area and for that reason alone they questioned whether their frequency change and power upgrade were worth it.

But what's done is pretty much done. Stations can't just "go dark", and they probably can't be moved somewhere else. (If there was a spot for another station someplace, someone would already have applied for it!)

It is what it is. Thank you, Congress and the FCC.
 
greg.hahn said:
Stations can't just "go dark", and they probably can't be moved somewhere else.

Thus explaining why the typical rules of the marketplace do not apply to broadcast stations.

If a market has too many pizza restaurants, a certain number of them eventually close, until an equilibrium point is reached. The market ends up with enough pizza restaurants to service the demand, but not so many that any operators are forced to lose money.

Likewise, if an owner has a pizza restaurant which is failing in one location, he is perfectly at liberty to close it, move it, and re-open in a brand new location.

It is the gospel according to St. John... Schnatter.

And what works for pizza restaurants does not work for radio stations.
 
greg.hahn said:
KyDXIn said:
WildcatGuy said:
greg.hahn said:
It would cover Louisville about as well as WAKY does were it not for WLRS on 105.9.

Isn't 105.9 WAYI? WLRS is 105.1.
I'm not an engineer, but IMHO something on the dial needs to go dark or get moved between 105.1 and 105.9. Wasn't WMPI 105.3 one of the first stations licensed and operating in that 105 area? I remember listening to them in the 80s in Corydon. It seemed to be a great music and information station for Scottsburg and vicinity, and from what I understand, is still serving the public as a radio station should. What was the FCC thinking when allocating these frequencies? They didn't do the same for the 103 band, or did they?

103.1 WQNU Lyndon, KY
103.3 WXZZ Georgetown, KY
103.5 WAKY RAdcliff, KY
103.7 WKED Frankfort, KY
103.9 WRKA Louisville, KY

105.1 WLRS Shepherdsville, KY
105.3 WMPI Scottbburg, IN
105.5 WLVK Fort Knox, KY
105.7 WTUV Eminence, KY
105.9 WAYI Valley Station, KY


Georgetown we helped move to 103.3. Greensburg signed a mutual agreement with us that said we would both increase to 6000 watts and agree to accept the interference. And we put up a directional antenna with a null to the north that protected the station in Versailles. And so we all got to increase to 6000 watts, but only after all the requirements were met.
Minor historical note, WXCH 103.1 Versailles never was given 6000 watts. Shortspace to WEBN 102.7/Cinicnnati I believe prevented that. Excellent, detailed response Greg. Couldn't have 'splained it better myself.
 
One station that instead of going dark operated in a state of suspended animation was 105.1. When Century Communications (the cable company) pulled the plug on WEHR, the station remained on the air, without commercials using recycled playlist, jingles and liners. One person sat at the office/studios from 8am-5p Monday through Friday. The transmitter control point was WVJS/WSTO Owensboro. The argument for keeping the signal on the air was the value of a station on the air was greater than a dark signal. Eventually the signal was sold but it operated as a ghost ship for over a year.
 
BobOnTheJob said:
Minor historical note, WXCH 103.1 Versailles never was given 6000 watts. Shortspace to WEBN 102.7/Cinicnnati I believe prevented that. Excellent, detailed response Greg. Couldn't have 'splained it better myself.


Thanks for the clarification, Bob. I realized that I had implied that Versailles also got to go to 6000, but they were going to be the deal breaker in the whole thing because they couldn't upgrade.

And that's why WRKA 103.1 in Louisville put up a directional antenna. It was a pretty good signal for a class A, and a great improvement over the 3000 watt signal, but a little know fact is that from 1990-2008, WRKA only radiated about 800 watts to the north from that directional antenna.
 
Guess they are back to their old ways. just got in from Lexington and they have had dead air for the last 20 minutes. Looks like firing everyone and getting rid of engineering support is working quite well for them.
 
Bengalsfan said:
Guess they are back to their old ways. just got in from Lexington and they have had dead air for the last 20 minutes. Looks like firing everyone and getting rid of engineering support is working quite well for them.


They still had dead air every time I checked last night, and again this morning.
 
Sounds like my cement goose should apply for the GM position at this place...it could do a better job.
 
BobOnTheJob said:
Sounds like my cement goose should apply for the GM position at this place...it could do a better job.

Now you've given me a vision of the Travelocity garden gnome sitting at a GM's desk.......
 
greg.hahn said:
KyDXIn said:
I'm not an engineer, but IMHO something on the dial needs to go dark or get moved between 105.1 and 105.9. Wasn't WMPI 105.3 one of the first stations licensed and operating in that 105 area? I remember listening to them in the 80s in Corydon. It seemed to be a great music and information station for Scottsburg and vicinity, and from what I understand, is still serving the public as a radio station should. What was the FCC thinking when allocating these frequencies? They didn't do the same for the 103 band, or did they?
It is what it is. Thank you, Congress and the FCC.
Textbook quality response there. Thank you for explaining the situation. I often wondered why we had no stations in in the 105 area. I used to listen to WITZ 104.7 in Jasper, and enjoyed it until the low-powered one came on the air in Louisville. WITZ served my needs cause often I could listen to their weather conditions and know what was in store for us hours later.
 
greg.hahn said:
BobOnTheJob said:
Minor historical note, WXCH 103.1 Versailles never was given 6000 watts. Shortspace to WEBN 102.7/Cinicnnati I believe prevented that. Excellent, detailed response Greg. Couldn't have 'splained it better myself.
And that's why WRKA 103.1 in Louisville put up a directional antenna. It was a pretty good signal for a class A, and a great improvement over the 3000 watt signal, but a little know fact is that from 1990-2008, WRKA only radiated about 800 watts to the north from that directional antenna.
What's the problem? That's about 100 watts more than the microwave in my kitchen!
 
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