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Has V-103 dropped its HD-3 sub-channel simulcasting WAOK's (1380 kHz AM) programming?
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Yes. Your point being?
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I am not receiving it either. It may be technical glitch.
I was listening to WVEE HD-2 last night, and they're not making much of an effort. For an hour, they were playing a Sade CD; and in between the songs were the 5 or so seconds between cuts, left in. At the top on the hour, there was no ID; they just went into another Sade song.
Sister station Dave HD-2 sounded good on the other hand--well-thought-out music and nice imaging by Margot. Triple A as I know it lies somewhere between Dave-FM's playlist and Dave HD-2's playlist.
Sister station Dave HD-2 sounded good on the other hand--well-thought-out music and nice imaging by Margot. Triple A as I know it lies somewhere between Dave-FM's playlist and Dave HD-2's playlist.
DAVE Roots, the DAVE 92.9 HD-2 station, is a very rock flavored Americana station. Although I wish Margot would put more country cuts by folks like Kinky Friedman, Emmylou Harris etc. I realize she probably has better judgement for what the masses want as an alternative programming choice.
Most Atlanta programmers have absolutely NO interest in the HD channels. Some will go off the air for days at a time and no one notices.
I'm still not sure if HD radio will succeed.....but I'm starting to see *some* interest with the listeners.
If anyone besides board ops read this board......PLEEEEEZE start using your HD channels for something DIFFERENT!!
Bluegrass.....Blues......Deep album cuts......Polka.....Doris Day.....Gawd - please do something besides what you're doing now with the analog signal.
Most Atlanta programmers have absolutely NO interest in the HD channels. Some will go off the air for days at a time and no one notices.
I'm still not sure if HD radio will succeed.....but I'm starting to see *some* interest with the listeners.
If anyone besides board ops read this board......PLEEEEEZE start using your HD channels for something DIFFERENT!!
Bluegrass.....Blues......Deep album cuts......Polka.....Doris Day.....Gawd - please do something besides what you're doing now with the analog signal.
I didn't have any interest in HD radio, Tom. But then I won an HD radio last week.
So what do you think about HD Radio Roddy? Do you think it's going to make it or go bust like AM stereo and quadrophonic? Any HD channels you especially like?
I agree with you there doesn't seem to be a lot of consumer interest. I've listened to the various stations. I liked Dave Roots, thought it had some effort put into it. The Bull's new country wasn't bad; stupid jokes in the imaging but par for the course for CC. Project 9-6-2 The Incubator sounded decent; same stupid jokes in the imaging. The Beat's HD-2 sounded like some form of R&B, but it kept cutting off because of my distance from the transmitter. B98.5's soft AC was done well; imaging voice sounded like Paul Cilliano and sounded good. Of course, WWWQ HD-2 sounded like...99X. V-103 was putting zero effort into whatever it was doing; didn't hear any imaging at all or even an ID at the TOH; just a CD being played through. The Wolf (Kicks in HD) sounded interesting although in the short time I listened, I wasn't able to figure out exactly what they're trying to do. For some reason, The Wolf was noticeably lower in volume than any other HD-2 and especially compared to WKHX HD-1. WYAY HD-2 was playing bluegrass; didn't really listen but a good option for people who want that. I couldn't pick up even the HD1 signal of WALR-FM; certainly didn't get to sample their HD-2. Couldn't pick up 97.5, 102.5 and 107.9 in HD at all.
I live sort of midway between Richland and New Street. Maybe a better antenna would help me with the lesser-signaled stations.
I actually thought HD-1 sounded brighter and had greater stereo separation. But I was told this morning that HD-2 should be the better-sounding of the two.
I live sort of midway between Richland and New Street. Maybe a better antenna would help me with the lesser-signaled stations.
I actually thought HD-1 sounded brighter and had greater stereo separation. But I was told this morning that HD-2 should be the better-sounding of the two.
>I actually thought HD-1 sounded brighter and had greater stereo separation. But I was told this morning that HD-2 should be the better-sounding of the two.<
The bitstream is allocable by the broadcaster. You can allot as much or as little as you want to whatever, as long as the HD-1 carries the same as the analog. When yoiu allocate all of it to the same program, it sounds pretty good. When you start splitting it up, it sounds llike a low bit - rate CODEC, which at that point it is. And if you overmodulate as much as 100.5 currently is, you end up hashing up the digital carriers with the analog audio energy and hosing the HD, which causes dropouts. Consider it the HD version of clipping the baseband to the degree that the stereo pilot begins to modulate wth the peaks. New technology allows new ways to make it soud poor.
The bitstream is allocable by the broadcaster. You can allot as much or as little as you want to whatever, as long as the HD-1 carries the same as the analog. When yoiu allocate all of it to the same program, it sounds pretty good. When you start splitting it up, it sounds llike a low bit - rate CODEC, which at that point it is. And if you overmodulate as much as 100.5 currently is, you end up hashing up the digital carriers with the analog audio energy and hosing the HD, which causes dropouts. Consider it the HD version of clipping the baseband to the degree that the stereo pilot begins to modulate wth the peaks. New technology allows new ways to make it soud poor.
taylorengineer said:
This is the beginning of the slippery slope.
As the slippery slope continues. I know I'm preaching to the choir, Tom, but the consumers aren't going to care until the programmers start to care. The consumers are mainly worried if they're going to have to shell out 500 bucks on a digital TV for the February 2009 conversion (which, most don't even need the rebate on the converter box since they've already got a box with their cable/satellite system). The consumers aren't going to give squat about it until 1) the prices go down (digital sets were 5-6 grand a few years ago, but now Wal-Mart sells pretty good 32" ones for $500), or 2) the FCC mandate comes down (in concrete) to shut off the analog. But, they might turn to it a little soon if there's a listenable product that they'd be interested in. Really, what's there to draw the consumer?
All in all, I have to say this: Cable was supposed to be the death of terrestrial TV. The 8-track was supposed to be the death of records. CDs, iPods, the internet and satellite radio is supposed to be the death of terrestrial radio.
Well, terrestrial TV and records are still around.
I would buy a HD TV....if I watched TV. Anyone(except the blind)can tell the difference - especially with sports broadcasts. To get a full blown, big screen TV costs about $3K....if you factor in inflation it's the same thing my parents paid for out first color set back in 1966($500)
To buy HD radio costs $400 for the car. Until there is something really different I'm not paying for it! Funny thing is....most of thestations with HD have management that will not buy HD for the staff.....even for the engineers. The only receivers they get are the "tradeouts."
To buy HD radio costs $400 for the car. Until there is something really different I'm not paying for it! Funny thing is....most of thestations with HD have management that will not buy HD for the staff.....even for the engineers. The only receivers they get are the "tradeouts."
Remember, it took a while for UHF and FM to get sufficient penetration, and there were casualties in the meantime. Supposedly, the lack of mandatory UHF tuners in TVs was one of the factors that killed off the DuMont network by denying them viable affiliates in smaller markets. It also caused the UHF dial in ATL to be a revolving door, with Channel 36 going on and off the air with different owners, until Ted Turner entered the picture and hedged his bet with cable and satellite.
Similarly, ATL FM was primarily the domain of public stations, Beautiful Music stations (WSB/Peach/WLTA [now WWWQ], and I think WKLS), classical stations (WGKA, now Dave) and the occasional prog-rock station (WPLO, now V-103), and not more commercially-oriented formats until FM receiver penetration became sufficient to support them. Radio Shack was still selling AM-only "Flavoradios" into the 1980s.
GM was still selling cars with AM-only radios into the 1980s! That would be unheard of today. One of my high school buddies had a Toyota Corona with an AM-only radio, and he always listened to the old 96Rock AM at 970 (now WNIV).
Eventually, HD will get sufficient penetration, and we'll be lamenting the fact that HD2 channels, too, have become a commercial wasteland.
Similarly, ATL FM was primarily the domain of public stations, Beautiful Music stations (WSB/Peach/WLTA [now WWWQ], and I think WKLS), classical stations (WGKA, now Dave) and the occasional prog-rock station (WPLO, now V-103), and not more commercially-oriented formats until FM receiver penetration became sufficient to support them. Radio Shack was still selling AM-only "Flavoradios" into the 1980s.
GM was still selling cars with AM-only radios into the 1980s! That would be unheard of today. One of my high school buddies had a Toyota Corona with an AM-only radio, and he always listened to the old 96Rock AM at 970 (now WNIV).
Eventually, HD will get sufficient penetration, and we'll be lamenting the fact that HD2 channels, too, have become a commercial wasteland.
Tom and jabba, I agree 100%. There's nothing at this very moment that lures the consumer, so they're not even the slightest interested in paying $400 for an HD radio that may or may not get the HD channels that are sporadically playing right now. Other than the HD commission's radio ads, there absolutely, positively no buzz at all.
There was no buzz for HDTV until there were displays in every store that proved the quality. Same for Sirius and XM. So, why should the radio industry expect there to be a buzz and the consumers to be like fish in a barrel before they decide to buy into a technology?
On the other hand, when the digital/HD technology started popping up in the TV world, the buzz was about the same. Hey, Tom, have there been any timeline given about the analog/HD radio switch? I'm sure, by that time, the price for HD radios will come down, as it has for TVs. Oh, and by the way, Tom, you can get a real good HD plasma for $1500 or less. But, you were right. Digital Television magazine did an article back in '99 or 2000 paralleling the digital TV conversion to the color conversion (which was actually 1955 according to the article IIRC, but it took everybody, broadcasters and production houses, until the early 60s to put everything in color), and the first color TV out then in up-to-date dollars was the same price as the first digital TV.
There was no buzz for HDTV until there were displays in every store that proved the quality. Same for Sirius and XM. So, why should the radio industry expect there to be a buzz and the consumers to be like fish in a barrel before they decide to buy into a technology?
On the other hand, when the digital/HD technology started popping up in the TV world, the buzz was about the same. Hey, Tom, have there been any timeline given about the analog/HD radio switch? I'm sure, by that time, the price for HD radios will come down, as it has for TVs. Oh, and by the way, Tom, you can get a real good HD plasma for $1500 or less. But, you were right. Digital Television magazine did an article back in '99 or 2000 paralleling the digital TV conversion to the color conversion (which was actually 1955 according to the article IIRC, but it took everybody, broadcasters and production houses, until the early 60s to put everything in color), and the first color TV out then in up-to-date dollars was the same price as the first digital TV.
Taylorengineer -
Sony 55 inch 1080i HD receiver was 1500 at Sam's. Dish Network gets an extra $20 a month for a whole buncha HD stuif. We be stylin' at the coublewide these days.
The Kenwood was $180 from one of the Web mailorder outfits, Crutchfield maybe, and the HD adaptor was 99.
Sony 55 inch 1080i HD receiver was 1500 at Sam's. Dish Network gets an extra $20 a month for a whole buncha HD stuif. We be stylin' at the coublewide these days.
The Kenwood was $180 from one of the Web mailorder outfits, Crutchfield maybe, and the HD adaptor was 99.
I'm waiting for holographic television. No more of that "dimensional distortion" for me....I want to see Brittney being hauled away in pure 3D technicolor. Honestly....except for the occasional ball game these is absolutely NOTHING to watch on television.
Well....except for "Pants Off Dance Off"......
I wonder what the next "technology" for radio will be. Will it be program delivery or data delivery? Is there a more effective way to make sound then a traditional speaker......can scientists make it sound like the band is playing right there in your car? Could holographic images be sent along with the audio....could you actually get to see, on your dashboard, the coldcuts hitting Shannon's backside? Would that eliminate the demand for "face for radio" talent.....could they be absorbed into the Burger King work force?
If you could actually see the DJ.....would DJs ever have recreational sex again?
My guess is that Putin will nuke us before we get all this dream technology.
Then we get to enjoy steam powered radio......
Well....except for "Pants Off Dance Off"......
I wonder what the next "technology" for radio will be. Will it be program delivery or data delivery? Is there a more effective way to make sound then a traditional speaker......can scientists make it sound like the band is playing right there in your car? Could holographic images be sent along with the audio....could you actually get to see, on your dashboard, the coldcuts hitting Shannon's backside? Would that eliminate the demand for "face for radio" talent.....could they be absorbed into the Burger King work force?
If you could actually see the DJ.....would DJs ever have recreational sex again?
My guess is that Putin will nuke us before we get all this dream technology.
Then we get to enjoy steam powered radio......
FloydB said:
It didn't help that CBS had put forth a color system that was NOT backwards-compatible with B&W in 1951, leading to marketplace confusion--and who wanted to pay big bucks for a TV that wouldn't pick up B&W? Also, NBC didn't get their full prime-time sked in color until 1965. If you count "color" as beginning with the RCA/NBC compatible-color system in 1953, that's 12 years. Not wanting to help a competitor, CBS had NO color programming until 1965, and ABC none until 1962. (Ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_television#Color_television )
HD Radio won't succeed until the receivers come down in price (who wants to pay $400 for a radio?) and are available in a variety of formats (car stereos, home hi-fi receivers, boom boxes, etc.; I'm assuming Walkmans are too much to ask from the technology). It may also have to wait until satellite finishes having its day in the sun as the "next new thing"; I would imagine most home stereo receiver manufacturers are too busy considering XM vs. Sirius to consider throwing HD into the mix. Why most current HD receivers are in the form of table radios is beyond me, as this receiver format isn't really popular. Does anyone make an add-on HD tuner for a home stereo system? I don't want a whole radio, just the tuner. Satellite does this (and quite well, I might add, with their portable dockable tuners), but HD seems to be MIA here.
It would help if the automakers would put them as standard in cars, although that didn't help AM Stereo (although AM Stereo had its own issues, such as a format war from heck and GIGO sound processing that didn't take full advantage of its potential) and has helped RDS only minimally.
Ford will be fitting HD radios,either standard or option depending the line and model, in the 09 model year.
The big problem with colocasting for ABC and CBS was the required tag "Brought to you in living color, Pioneered and developed by RCA". They were forced to color casting by market pressures. And, an NTSC color signal is still the most complex ever broadcast. If it hadn't been for AT&T Long Lines division guarantees, we would of had PAL. Whether that's a Good Thing or a Bad Thing is open to speculation.
The big problem with colocasting for ABC and CBS was the required tag "Brought to you in living color, Pioneered and developed by RCA". They were forced to color casting by market pressures. And, an NTSC color signal is still the most complex ever broadcast. If it hadn't been for AT&T Long Lines division guarantees, we would of had PAL. Whether that's a Good Thing or a Bad Thing is open to speculation.
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