WWSW Summer Arbitron

[Mrmusic]

Re: facts

> P-L-E-A-S-E R-E-A-D C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y:
>
> My only, ONLY point of contention with you and mrmusic was
> 3WS' ratings performance. It's you and he keep dragging
> other things into it in a desperate attempt to keep from
> looking like uninformed idiots.
>
> You've failed.
>

OldiesCat-

Nope, you're the one who twists and turns everyone's words. It is you OldiesCat, who is the uniformed idiot!


Mr. Music

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: Maybe you should check your facts

> > Number 3 ranking adults 25-54 - on one of their best
> > month-to-month rolls of the past year.
>
> Not about the ratings, but about what Mrmusic and I have
> been trying to tell you. Below is Mrmusic's original reply
> to your original thread about 3WS, the reply that started
> this whole flap, and the one in which you claim that he said
> 3WS had bad ratings because of Gillespie. I challenge you to
> find the word "ratings" anywhere in that post.
>
> Begin quoted material:
>
> > anybody got any inside info on the sudden PD change at
> 3WS?
>
>
> The "sudden PD change" was because Gillispie was fired. My
> sales contacts over there told me that on Monday AFTERNOON.
> So, it really wasn't so sudden. (especially since a few of
> the salespeople knew Monday morning). Why has this news
> taken so long to hit this board?
>
>
> > Gillespe seemed to be doing a great job with the station.
>
>
>
> What drugs are you on? Haven't heard the station this past
> year? Or, the comments everyone wrote about how the music
> sucks, they sound like DVE Light, the repetitious Elton John
> and Billy Joel hours, the Rod Stewart Catalog, and the 80's
> songs that don't fit? Gillispie was doing anything but a
> fine job.
>
> One of my sales clients over there is overjoyed that he's
> gone. She says he made sales meetings extremely long with
> diatribe and dribble that had nothing to do with the
> presentation of new business. He has even DETERRED new
> business. And, he has been able to sever ongoing business.
> Thanks to his arrogance has lost quite a few places of
> business that were always a staple on 3WS (one of which is
> one of my other clients, so I know firsthand) You call that
> doing a great job with the station?
>
> I used to hear horror stories from both my reps. Sad part
> is, they weren't working with this guy on a regular, day to
> day basis. I feel bad for what the airstaff had to go
> through.
>
> My best wishes to new program directress, Sheri Van Dyke. I
> hope a lot more of my clients will be on the air there
> (after being shot out of the water from her predecessor). I
> am a longtime fan of the station and if her leadership
> skills are anything like her airwork, she will be very good
> for 3WS. She has her work cut out for her digging the
> station out of the abyss that Gillispie sank them.
>
> Mr. Music
>
> End quoted material.
>
> To summarize. You said "Gillespe seemed to be doing a great
> job with the station.", referring ONLY TO RATINGS. Mrmusic
> then went on to explain that a "great job" requires more
> than just ratings, it requires making a profit from the
> sales of airtime. And he explained, from an insider
> perspective, that thanks to Gillespie, 3WS was NOT
> increasing profits as he was expected to.
>
> Go back and look at Mrmusic's original reply to verify that
> I copied it exactly as he posted it.
>
> You keep claiming that he first said the ratings were bad,
> and then changed his story. Yet the record of posts indicate
> that he first said that "He has even DETERRED new business.
> And, he has been able to sever ongoing business. Thanks to
> his arrogance has lost quite a few places of business that
> were always a staple on 3WS (one of which is one of my other
> clients, so I know firsthand) You call that doing a great
> job with the station?"
>
> That's not a 'change of tune', that was the song he was
> singing from his very first note! And, later on in the
> thread, I joining him, singing harmony.
>
> You're the one who couldn't grasp some simple facts. You
> were the one who asked for "inside info", and you got some
> "inside info". But, since it's not what you wanted to hear,
> you attack the people who provided the information that you
> asked for in the first place.
>

Thanks Realist.

I think the truth is something that OldiesCat can't grasp and understand. He'll just take this note to you and finangle it to his own little literary world.

He has changed his tune so many times in this thread.

Mr. Music

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: We're wasting our time on Dr. Detroit

> Accually, Oldiescat used to work at Clear Channel in
> Florida. He's just trying to be professional and not insult
> somebody.


Am-fm-

Professionalism does not include name-calling and not admitting that you may be wrong. (of which he was). Clarification is also involved to admitting that one is wrong. OldiesCat refuses to clarify his position, but instead berates others (me and Radio Realist) for telling the truth and then say that we are "twisting our words".

OldiesCat is in no way a professional, at least on these boards. He has proven in ALL of his posts that he is an immature, jealous, attacking, and uninformed person.


Mr. Music

 

[OldiesCat]

check your facts

Now you guys are just plain lying.

I've sung one tune and one tune only: 3WS' ratings did not decline during Greg Gillespie's reign as PD.

That simple.

> He has changed his tune so many times in this thread.
>
> Mr. Music
>

 

[OldiesCat]

time

It was in response to that QUESTION you or some other goof replied that 3Ws'ratings had been in a decline since Gillespie was PD.

I refuted that one fact and, ever since, it's been Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb
doing the twisting.

Haven't you two notice NOBODY is coming to your defense?

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: check your facts

> Now you guys are just plain lying.
>
> I've sung one tune and one tune only: 3WS' ratings did not
> decline during Greg Gillespie's reign as PD.
>
> That simple.


Please re-read Realist's posts under yours at the top. It says it all.

You have twisted anything anybody has told you that is true and you're now doing by saying we're lying. That is a bunch of bull. Your above post is a twist of your original post that Realist just showed you what was wrong in your orignal post. Stop the crap, will you!

And, don't ever accuse me of lying, OldiesCat. That is stepping beyond the bounds.


Mr. Music

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: time

> It was in response to that QUESTION you or some other goof
> replied that 3Ws'ratings had been in a decline since
> Gillespie was PD.
>
> I refuted that one fact and, ever since, it's been
> Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb
> doing the twisting.
>
> Haven't you two notice NOBODY is coming to your defense?
>

Everyone can see from the posts OldiesCat, that you are an immature child who has to name call (even as cute as you think Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb are) and it is YOU who have twisted our words. These are words that were telling you the truth about what is happening in Pittsburgh, a place you have no knowledge of radio.


Goodbye OldiesCat!

Mr. Music

 

[OldiesCat]

adios, girls

Glad to see you've finally decided to pack it in and end your charade. Truth always wins out and, aside from you & your siamese radio wannabe twin, the rest of us know the truth- and you ain't it.



> Goodbye OldiesCat!
> Mr. Music
>

 

[Radio_Realist]

Bull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now listen carefully. I will ask this only one more time.

Did you or did you not start this whole discussion by posting this?

"anybody got any inside info on the sudden PD change at 3WS? Gillespe seemed to be doing a great job with the station."

This is the heading of that post: 3WS PD - OldiesCat 10/12/05 02:38 PM (242)

Do you deny making that post? Do you deny that you asked if "anybody got any inside info on the sudden PD change at 3WS?"?

You asked for inside info. You got it.

Again, you expressed the opinion that "Gillespe seemed to be doing a great job with the station." You didn't define "great job" as merely being getting ratings. You didn't expand upon the concept of what a "great job" meant to you.

The inside info that you asked for was that Gillespie's performance on the job was not great, and specifically explained why it was not great.

But you didn't like that piece of insider truth. It wasn't what you wanted to hear. So now you accuse those who answered your question honestly and accurately of being liars.

You're the one who is making statements that are at variance with the truth. You began this discussion by claiming that Gillespie did a "great job". That is the tune you started. That is the tune you CHANGED when you discovered that he did a really crappy job at the most important things he was tasked with doing. When you discovered that there was something over and above drawing Arbitron numbers, specifically generating revenue from airtime sales, then you changed your tune to blathering on about ratings.


> Now you guys are just plain lying.
>
> I've sung one tune and one tune only: 3WS' ratings did not
> decline during Greg Gillespie's reign as PD.
>
> That simple.
>
> > He has changed his tune so many times in this thread.
> >
> > Mr. Music
> >
>

 

[OldiesCat]

correction

***My observation was: "anybody got any inside info on the sudden PD change at 3WS? Gillespe seemed to be doing a great job with the station."

Your buddy erroneously replied:

They were at I believe a 4th ranking last September. Fast foward a year and they're somewhere around 6th? 3WS would've been dropping even more if Gillispie were not fired. He tanked that radio station.
Mr. Music

***You and your pal's responses were "no, Gillespie has brought the ratings down" and THAT is the only thing I disuputed- you guys misstated and misrepresented the station's ratings performance during his rein. All I replied was that he was wrong about the ratings and then it was off to the races from you two out-of-radio folks. Just "thinking" a stations ratings are "X" doesn't make them so- I responded with their actual 25-54 Arbitron rank and you to have spent the last week trying to weasle and LIE your way out of your misstatements.

Geez- I didn't realize too much time around the mines made people into mental cases.

>
> You're the one who is making statements that are at variance
> with the truth. You began this discussion by claiming that
> Gillespie did a "great job". That is the tune you started.
> That is the tune you CHANGED when you discovered that he did
> a really crappy job at the most important things he was
> tasked with doing. When you discovered that there was
> something over and above drawing Arbitron numbers,
> specifically generating revenue from airtime sales, then you
> changed your tune to blathering on about ratings.

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: adios, girls

> Glad to see you've finally decided to pack it in and end
> your charade. Truth always wins out and, aside from you &
> your siamese radio wannabe twin, the rest of us know the
> truth- and you ain't it.
>
>
>
> > Goodbye OldiesCat!
> > Mr. Music
> >


OldiesCat-

That's right, truth always wins. I told the truth in my first post. END OF CONVERSATION!!

Don't even respond to this OldiesCat until you have more experience in radio in Pittsburgh!


Mr. Music

ps. If you respond, you will be showing your feminine side.

 

[OldiesCat]

stop you silly boy

nice try- but I already said goodbye to your creeps.

(OK, now you're "it". We gonna play paper, rocks, scissors now?)


> OldiesCat-
>
> That's right, truth always wins. I told the truth in my
> first post. END OF CONVERSATION!!
>
> Don't even respond to this OldiesCat until you have more
> experience in radio in Pittsburgh!
>
>
> Mr. Music
>
> ps. If you respond, you will be showing your feminine side.
>

 

[am-fm]

Enough is enough

> Number 3 ranking adults 25-54 - on one of their best
> month-to-month rolls of the past year.
>

Ok - cant we agree to disagree here? OldiesCat has his point of view about 3WS concering their performance and MrMusic & Radio_Realist have their point of view.

OldiesCat was going by one yardstick for performance (Arbitron), and other posters by another(Knowing the nuts & bolts of what goes on at 3WS) . Arguing over it and accusing people of being somebody/something they are not isnt germane to 3WS and its staff changes.

3WS is a solid station Arbitron wise from what I can see, and OldiesCat has a point. However, if Clear Channel fired him with the station pulling excellent raitings, there obveously were reasons for his termination that probly dealt with staff. So all three of you are right in one way or another. So can we move on & be above name calling?

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[OldiesCat]

enough

I agree. I never suggested he shouldn't have been fired, only that it wasn't because of ratings.

'Nuff said- thank U.


>
> Ok - cant we agree to disagree here? OldiesCat has his point
> of view about 3WS concering their performance and MrMusic &
> Radio_Realist have their point of view.
>
> OldiesCat was going by one yardstick for performance
> (Arbitron), and other posters by another(Knowing the nuts &
> bolts of what goes on at 3WS) . Arguing over it and accusing
> people of being somebody/something they are not isnt germane
> to 3WS and its staff changes.
>
> 3WS is a solid station Arbitron wise from what I can see,
> and OldiesCat has a point. However, if Clear Channel fired
> him with the station pulling excellent raitings, there
> obveously were reasons for his termination that probly dealt
> with staff. So all three of you are right in one way or
> another. So can we move on & be above name calling?
>
> Thank you...
>

 

[Radio_Realist]

Re: correction

> you to
> have spent the last week trying to weasle and LIE your way
> out of your misstatements.

I suppose I should have just pretended I never said them, and ignored all references to it, the way that you've ignored being called on claiming that radio was the "the original form of show business", which means that you don't consider playing a musical instrument or singing for a living part of "show business", nor is the theatre, or movies, or vaudeville, or any of the other forms of entertainment that the rest of the world considers "show business".

You made that claim in your post: "Re: true wannabe [re: Radio Realist]".

 

[Radio_Rancher]

Re: Enough is enough

I think you're missing the point here. "Mr Music" started out with blatantly incorrect information -- he said the station had its lowest ratings in history, than later stated that the station had been "killed" by the PD in question. In fact, the station is thriving, as has been proven by the latest Arbitron.

If someone is that obviously wrong about something as public as ratings, I'm inclined to disbelieve his claims that he has "inside" information about what's happening at any station. And, frankly, it wouldn't matter much if morale were low and it was a miserable work experience, the fact is that the station is delivering an audience, which is the bottom line that works in broadcasting. For the purposes of this board, it really doesn't matter if a salesperson is unhappy.

Once his misinformation about ratings had been exposed, "Mr Music" then chose to make childish and inaccurate accustations ("You must be Gillespie") and he also presumed he had the authority to declare the discussion over or to tell posters to leave. That's not the first time something like that has happened with this poster, either.

I understand your desire to put an end to all of this but it's not a question of conflicting opinions -- it's a matter of someone fabricating facts.

 

[OldiesCat]

enough

Thanks.

> I think you're missing the point here. "Mr Music" started
> out with blatantly incorrect information -- he said the
> station had its lowest ratings in history, than later stated
> that the station had been "killed" by the PD in question. In
> fact, the station is thriving, as has been proven by the
> latest Arbitron.
>
> If someone is that obviously wrong about something as public
> as ratings, I'm inclined to disbelieve his claims that he
> has "inside" information about what's happening at any
> station. And, frankly, it wouldn't matter much if morale
> were low and it was a miserable work experience, the fact is
> that the station is delivering an audience, which is the
> bottom line that works in broadcasting. For the purposes of
> this board, it really doesn't matter if a salesperson is
> unhappy.
>
> Once his misinformation about ratings had been exposed, "Mr
> Music" then chose to make childish and inaccurate
> accustations ("You must be Gillespie") and he also presumed
> he had the authority to declare the discussion over or to
> tell posters to leave. That's not the first time something
> like that has happened with this poster, either.
>
> I understand your desire to put an end to all of this but
> it's not a question of conflicting opinions -- it's a matter
> of someone fabricating facts.
>

 

[Radio_Realist]

Re: Enough is enough

> I think you're missing the point here. "Mr Music" started
> out with blatantly incorrect information -- he said the
> station had its lowest ratings in history, than later stated
> that the station had been "killed" by the PD in question. In
> fact, the station is thriving, as has been proven by the
> latest Arbitron.

Please, you're exagerating a bit. Mrmusic got the exact ranking of 3WS in Arbitrons wrong by a few spots, putting them two spots lower. And since we can't post exact figures in here, we're talking a difference of a few tenths of a point. Working from memory, that's not all that big a deal.

It's hardly as significant an error as claiming that radio was the ORIGINAL form of show business, now is it?

> If someone is that obviously wrong about something as public
> as ratings, I'm inclined to disbelieve his claims that he
> has "inside" information about what's happening at any
> station. And, frankly, it wouldn't matter much if morale
> were low and it was a miserable work experience, the fact is
> that the station is delivering an audience, which is the
> bottom line that works in broadcasting. For the purposes of
> this board, it really doesn't matter if a salesperson is
> unhappy.

But it matters a great deal if the CUSTOMERS of those salespeople are unhappy, doesn't it?

> Once his misinformation about ratings had been exposed, "Mr
> Music" then chose to make childish and inaccurate
> accustations ("You must be Gillespie") and he also presumed
> he had the authority to declare the discussion over or to
> tell posters to leave. That's not the first time something
> like that has happened with this poster, either.
>
> I understand your desire to put an end to all of this but
> it's not a question of conflicting opinions -- it's a matter
> of someone fabricating facts.
>

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: Enough is enough

> I think you're missing the point here. "Mr Music" started
> out with blatantly incorrect information -- he said the
> station had its lowest ratings in history, than later stated
> that the station had been "killed" by the PD in question. In
> fact, the station is thriving, as has been proven by the
> latest Arbitron.


I did not start out with blatantly incorrect information. I was telling everyone the truth as it is known as to what happened. I stand by my post.

> If someone is that obviously wrong about something as public
> as ratings, I'm inclined to disbelieve his claims that he
> has "inside" information about what's happening at any
> station. And, frankly, it wouldn't matter much if morale
> were low and it was a miserable work experience, the fact is
> that the station is delivering an audience, which is the
> bottom line that works in broadcasting. For the purposes of
> this board, it really doesn't matter if a salesperson is
> unhappy.

You are totally wrong here. Believe what you want, but you are not believing the truth.

OldiesCat wanted to know what happened. I told him the inside information. If you and he choose not to believe it, hey that's your problem.


> Once his misinformation about ratings had been exposed, "Mr
> Music" then chose to make childish and inaccurate
> accustations ("You must be Gillespie") and he also presumed
> he had the authority to declare the discussion over or to
> tell posters to leave. That's not the first time something
> like that has happened with this poster, either.


Get real Rancher! My zing about OldiesCat being Mr. Gillispie is not childish, it was inaccurate. It sparked a rise out of him (and you). Anybody steadfastly sticking up for Gillispie would be suspect of being him.

Yeah, I did OldiesCat a couple of times "end of conversation" because it was. I answered his original post correctly and with the truth. He kept coming back with stupid accusations and attacks. That is not needed on this board.

If you and he can't understand that and have to go on and on contradicting it, I feel I owe it to contradict you two and keep posting the truth.

And Rancher, what do you mean by "That's not the first time something
like that has happened with this poster, either."? I have only done this with OldiesCat because he deserved it. Stop accusing me of stuff I haven't done.


Remember, I was only giving him the truth as to what his original post was
<<anybody got any inside info on the sudden PD change at 3WS? Gillespe seemed to be doing a great job with the station.>>

IF you and OldiesCat can't handle the inside information, the truth, so be it. But, please stop contradicting the TRUTH!

> I understand your desire to put an end to all of this but
> it's not a question of conflicting opinions -- it's a matter
> of someone fabricating facts.

The ONLY person fabricating facts is OldiesCat in defending his post. I GAVE the facts. Just ask any senior higher up at Clear Channel Pittsburgh.

Mr. Music

 

[Mrmusic]

Re: stop you silly boy

> nice try- but I already said goodbye to your creeps.
>
> (OK, now you're "it". We gonna play paper, rocks, scissors
> now?)
>
>
> > OldiesCat-
> >
> > That's right, truth always wins. I told the truth in my
> > first post. END OF CONVERSATION!!
> >
> > Don't even respond to this OldiesCat until you have more
> > experience in radio in Pittsburgh!
> >
> >
> > Mr. Music
> >
> > ps. If you respond, you will be showing your feminine
> side.
> >

Thanks for proving my point.

Mr. Music