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What I hate is Covid-19 is politicized. It leads to other pandemics. There is a pandemic right now where both sides of the political fence are showing symptoms of obsession in tracking the going ons of the other side of the fence. The reality is as long as the opposing sides gives the other side validity by keeping it 'top of mind' the fuel to fan the flames remains. One has to question the symptom of trying to find more dirt on the other side to spread around among likeminded folks and to further criticize the other side. This only assures Covid-19 remains a political football where both sides wind up not dealing with all the facts. Once we can allow Covid-19 to be an illness not running for office, can we possibly join together to reach herd immunity.

Among the many I see in my radio sales job, some are not vaccinated. Not mentioned here or anywhere, it seems, these folks are quite healthy and are not actually likely to need acute care if they contract Covid-19. Just as many who fit this group have had the illness and rely on the anti-bodies and the body's memory defense. They understand they are 'rolling the dice' so to speak, but as one pointed out, they have about the same odds at a drunk driver or car accident killing them but they don't stop driving. I don't mention this for any other reason than assuming the accusations will fly: they have no issue wearing a mask and they're not anti-vax. They just think it is better to let their bodies fight off illnesses naturally which is why many of these folks don't get a flu shot each year. They are not all Republicans nor fans of Trump either. As we have learned, the problem is when the body attacks both the good white blood cells and those white blood cells Covid-19 has taken over. This happens in very few people but is more common in persons with other health issues. Having had Covid-19 myself, it was a nasty flu and I would be happy to live out the rest of my life without experiencing it again. That's why I got my vaccine as soon as I was allowed. Certainly consideration for the safety of others, taking precautions to safeguard those most at risk is just something anyone with decency would want to do. So,
when around a group, my mask goes on. I'm not worried about myself but rather to put those around me at ease. I prefer think beyond myself. Maybe we all need to do a bit more of that...no preaching, just thinking out loud.
 
We're almost 20 years past 9/11, and for the most part "9/11 truthers" weren't given the time of day. If we had had the media environment we have now, Levin, Hannity, etc would be screaming about the "pre-planted bombs".
 
b-turner said:
What I hate is Covid-19 is politicized. It leads to other pandemics. There is a pandemic right now where both sides of the political fence are showing symptoms of obsession in tracking the going ons of the other side of the fence. The reality is as long as the opposing sides gives the other side validity by keeping it 'top of mind' the fuel to fan the flames remains. One has to question the symptom of trying to find more dirt on the other side to spread around among likeminded folks and to further criticize the other side. This only assures Covid-19 remains a political football where both sides wind up not dealing with all the facts. Once we can allow Covid-19 to be an illness not running for office, can we possibly join together to reach herd immunity.

Among the many I see in my radio sales job, some are not vaccinated. Not mentioned here or anywhere, it seems, these folks are quite healthy and are not actually likely to need acute care if they contract Covid-19. Just as many who fit this group have had the illness and rely on the anti-bodies and the body's memory defense. They understand they are 'rolling the dice' so to speak, but as one pointed out, they have about the same odds at a drunk driver or car accident killing them but they don't stop driving. I don't mention this for any other reason than assuming the accusations will fly: they have no issue wearing a mask and they're not anti-vax. They just think it is better to let their bodies fight off illnesses naturally which is why many of these folks don't get a flu shot each year. They are not all Republicans nor fans of Trump either. As we have learned, the problem is when the body attacks both the good white blood cells and those white blood cells Covid-19 has taken over. This happens in very few people but is more common in persons with other health issues. Having had Covid-19 myself, it was a nasty flu and I would be happy to live out the rest of my life without experiencing it again. That's why I got my vaccine as soon as I was allowed. Certainly consideration for the safety of others, taking precautions to safeguard those most at risk is just something anyone with decency would want to do. So,
when around a group, my mask goes on. I'm not worried about myself but rather to put those around me at ease. I prefer think beyond myself. Maybe we all need to do a bit more of that...no preaching, just thinking out loud.
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The problem is spreading it to others, causing them possibly going to the hospital or at least losing time from work. "I want everything open and low income people serving me food and drinks and I don't care about their health" was selfish before the vaccine, and when they're "no I won't get the vaccine, I won't mask and I won't distance" that's still putting others at risk.
 
gr8oldies said The problem is spreading it to others, causing them possibly going to the hospital or at least losing time from work. "I want everything open and low income people serving me food and drinks and I don't care about their health" was selfish before the vaccine, and when they're "no I won't get the vaccine, I won't mask and I won't distance" that's still putting others at risk.

My point is most of the people I know that are not vaccinated are not anti-vaccine and they do mask up. I think far more of the unvaccinated do mask up. I believe the group you are talking about is very small and gets all the attention because they yell the loudest. You give them more fuel by making them a topic in my opinion. You can certainly disagree and I'm okay with that if you do. I have a 4 letter word for those who choose to endanger others for their own selfish reasons and that applies to many more than just people that won't wear a mask.
 
b-turner said:
What I hate is Covid-19 is politicized. It leads to other pandemics. There is a pandemic right now where both sides of the political fence are showing symptoms of obsession in tracking the going ons of the other side of the fence. The reality is as long as the opposing sides gives the other side validity by keeping it 'top of mind' the fuel to fan the flames remains. One has to question the symptom of trying to find more dirt on the other side to spread around among likeminded folks and to further criticize the other side. This only assures Covid-19 remains a political football where both sides wind up not dealing with all the facts. Once we can allow Covid-19 to be an illness not running for office, can we possibly join together to reach herd immunity.

Among the many I see in my radio sales job, some are not vaccinated. Not mentioned here or anywhere, it seems, these folks are quite healthy and are not actually likely to need acute care if they contract Covid-19. Just as many who fit this group have had the illness and rely on the anti-bodies and the body's memory defense. They understand they are 'rolling the dice' so to speak, but as one pointed out, they have about the same odds at a drunk driver or car accident killing them but they don't stop driving. I don't mention this for any other reason than assuming the accusations will fly: they have no issue wearing a mask and they're not anti-vax. They just think it is better to let their bodies fight off illnesses naturally which is why many of these folks don't get a flu shot each year. They are not all Republicans nor fans of Trump either. As we have learned, the problem is when the body attacks both the good white blood cells and those white blood cells Covid-19 has taken over. This happens in very few people but is more common in persons with other health issues. Having had Covid-19 myself, it was a nasty flu and I would be happy to live out the rest of my life without experiencing it again. That's why I got my vaccine as soon as I was allowed. Certainly consideration for the safety of others, taking precautions to safeguard those most at risk is just something anyone with decency would want to do. So,
when around a group, my mask goes on. I'm not worried about myself but rather to put those around me at ease. I prefer think beyond myself. Maybe we all need to do a bit more of that...no preaching, just thinking out loud.
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True we will end up with another pandemic and we don't know what that is yet.
 
RadioPatrol said:
The issue now is that there are governors and pundits that turn out to be more radical than him over COVID-19 vaccines and how they are against vaccine mandates.
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When DeSantis is literally ordering schools to spread COVID, yes it's more radical. Trump couldn't or wouldn't actually overthrow the election (with the Insurrection Act). DeSantis and some of the others could. There's a heavily armed base that thinks the election was stolen, and hundreds of thousands of election workers conspired to do it. I wonder if we'll even have future elections.
 
Working in Walmart it's impossible now to who is vaccinated but not wearing a mask vs. people who haven't been vaccinated and/or have never worn a mask. The store employees are required again to wear masks, and the group I work with has kept the mask rules, but even with that not everyone is doing it. I stopped wearing masks when the CDC said it was safe after being vaccinated, but now I've gone back to wearing them in most indoor situations, even though I'm not totally perfect at it.
 
b-turner said:
Among the many I see in my radio sales job, some are not vaccinated. Not mentioned here or anywhere, it seems, these folks are quite healthy and are not actually likely to need acute care if they contract Covid-19... (etcetera) ...and they're not anti-vax.
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Yes they are. You've just rattled off a whole list of excuses anti-vaxxers routinely make, including falsely claiming that they're not anti-vaxxers. These people are the problem right now, and making a speech that attempts to validate their arguments helps no one.

This is the kind of malicious disinformation conservative radio talk hosts constantly spread, and I guess we can see how persuasive it can be. Their lies have to stop.

By the way, Phil Valentine also claimed that he was not actually likely to need acute care if he contracted Covid-19. He told everyone his chances of catching it and dying were less than one percent. How did that work out for him again?
 
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So many people said they wanted us to get back to normal and I was one of them. I was one who stayed home and avoided crowds as much as possible while others were bragging on their right to pee in the pool. Vaccine comes along, a lot of people get vaccinated including most of my friends, how much are planning to enjoy life again. Now people are screaming “I won’t get vaxxed, I won’t mask, I won’t distance and I’ll curse you out if you do0. We’re going to have a shooting or a bombing in the not too distant future by deranged Trumpist anti-VAXers.
 
As Theater of the Mind counters: some of my clients are those very anti-vaxxers and part of the problem. This is the ignorance I am speaking of being on both sides. I know my clients, well. I have for at minimum a couple of years. They fit what you describe about as well as a square fits a circle. I'm dealing with facts. I know these folks and how they think. It is my job. Your response is an example of how we (myself included) can go off half cocked without all the facts. And trust me, both sides do it. Your post and my response prove the need to let Coid-19 be an illness not a political entity. For the record, our local medical facility reached 15% capacity in Covid patients for a couple of days a couple of weeks back. The Hospital Administrator summed it up pretty well: the more information they get on Covid-19, the more confused they are. I think that simply helps to make us more fearful of the illness from the medical professional right down to the average Joe.

gr8oldies makes a valid point albeit one-sided. At some point it is likely violence will happen because of Covid-19. It could easily be either side, not just anti-vaxxers although I have to admit I do not know someone who is so anti-vaccine to turn to violence but logic says they're certainly out there. On the other side I see lots of very hate-filled words that can result in violence in anti-vaxxer criticism. In either case it will be someone who is a ticking timebomb waiting to go off anyway, Covid will simply be their proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
 
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As Theater of the Mind counters: some of my clients are those very anti-vaxxers and part of the problem. This is the ignorance I am speaking of being on both sides. I know my clients, well. I have for at minimum a couple of years. They fit what you describe about as well as a square fits a circle. I'm dealing with facts. I know these folks and how they think. It is my job. Your response is an example of how we (myself included) can go off half cocked without all the facts. And trust me, both sides do it. Your post and my response prove the need to let Coid-19 be an illness not a political entity. For the record, our local medical facility reached 15% capacity in Covid patients for a couple of days a couple of weeks back. The Hospital Administrator summed it up pretty well: the more information they get on Covid-19, the more confused they are. I think that simply helps to make us more fearful of the illness from the medical professional right down to the average Joe.

gr8oldies makes a valid point albeit one-sided. At some point it is likely violence will happen because of Covid-19. It could easily be either side, not just anti-vaxxers although I have to admit I do not know someone who is so anti-vaccine to turn to violence but logic says they're certainly out there. On the other side I see lots of very hate-filled words that can result in violence in anti-vaxxer criticism. In either case it will be someone who is a ticking timebomb waiting to go off anyway, Covid will simply be their proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
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That is very true too. Howver we need to wait until November 2022 to find out sadly if we are still in this situation or a new pandemic that ends up being more dangerous than COVID-19 is for now.
 
b-turner said:
As Theater of the Mind counters: some of my clients are those very anti-vaxxers and part of the problem. This is the ignorance I am speaking of being on both sides. I know my clients, well. I have for at minimum a couple of years. They fit what you describe about as well as a square fits a circle. I'm dealing with facts. I know these folks and how they think. It is my job. Your response is an example of how we (myself included) can go off half cocked without all the facts. And trust me, both sides do it. Your post and my response prove the need to let Coid-19 be an illness not a political entity. For the record, our local medical facility reached 15% capacity in Covid patients for a couple of days a couple of weeks back. The Hospital Administrator summed it up pretty well: the more information they get on Covid-19, the more confused they are. I think that simply helps to make us more fearful of the illness from the medical professional right down to the average Joe.

gr8oldies makes a valid point albeit one-sided. At some point it is likely violence will happen because of Covid-19. It could easily be either side, not just anti-vaxxers although I have to admit I do not know someone who is so anti-vaccine to turn to violence but logic says they're certainly out there. On the other side I see lots of very hate-filled words that can result in violence in anti-vaxxer criticism. In either case it will be someone who is a ticking timebomb waiting to go off anyway, Covid will simply be their proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
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As much as the vaccinated are sick of the performative anti-vaxxers, I see doctors and health professionals calmly going information about the vaccine or mask mandates at school board meetings, and I see anti-mask/anti-vaxxers screaming and cursing (including threats of violence) at those same health workers. Locally we had someone drive a car into a vaccine tent. It's gone insane.
 
I think we have mask fatigue in general and we're tending to act like little children rather than humans with the capability of thinking, reasoning and acting in a responsible fashion.

One point, if the vaccine works, is the fear of the anti-vaxxers misplaced? Aren't they the ones who will contract Covid and perish? Granted, the under 12, from my reading, are still awaiting an approved vaccine.
 
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I think we have mask fatigue in general and we're tending to act like little children rather than humans with the capability of thinking, reasoning and acting in a responsible fashion.

One point, if the vaccine works, is the fear of the anti-vaxxers misplaced? Aren't they the ones who will contract Covid and perish? Granted, the under 12, from my reading, are still awaiting an approved vaccine.
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There is still a chance of breakthrough infection which can still spread. No vaccine is 100% effective. Still, a lot of people can't afford a couple of weeks off work for a "mild" case, and since teens and children are not vaccinated (our QAnon state legislature is seeing to that), they are filling PICUs. Yes, I would be fine for all the Trump worshipping anti-vaxxers just infecting each other but unfortunately there are still vulnerable people and mass vaccination protects them.
 
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