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WXXI going HD

JakeLongwell said:
As I recall, the original plan was to put the two NPR news shows on in morning and afternoon drive, and the station was still free to program whatever they wished the rest of the day, and all weekend. In fact, I seem to remember reading somewhere that a spokesperson for WXXI said that they would have "no influence over WRUR's programming" and, indeed, that was the case for a while.
But then, they implamented the "professional" AAA format during the day, and for a substantial number of hours on weekends, thus eliminating those hours for any new specialty programming. As for having no influence over the station's existing programming, well, that's simply not true. If that were still the case, why then were the weekend classical shows dropped? Ok, so the shows were only on for a few hours on Saturday afternoons, but, I found them to be a nice classical alternative to the opera broadcasts on 91.5. Were those programs really a threat to 91.5's classical monopoly?
BTW, while on the subject, I am really curious as to what became of the classical library at 88.5 when the shows were taken off the air. Does the college still own the LPs/CDs? Or, were they incorporated into the classical library for 91.5?

I also remember reading the press release from WXXI a few years ago touting that WRUR would only carry Morning Edition and All Things Considered and that “there would be no interference with WRUR’s programming during the rest of the broadcast day.” Looks like someone told a big fib huh?

The Voice of Gospel
 
My comments regarding Mr. Cashdollar were not meant as criticism of his attempt to do what he thought was the right thing; I wanted to point out just how hard it is to pull it off.

There is a great deal of difference between finding some well intentioned seed money to get things started, and being able to raise continuing operating capital week after week and year after year. One can talk someone into buying some commercial time on your radio station so as to put his money where his mouth is (regarding his political leanings).
But see what happens when you go back time after time. You'll find that the blush starts fading from the rose rather quickly. I'm here to tell you that selling air-time on a small AM public station is not a walk in the park.

My 2 cents, for what it's worth.

WHLD is a commercial station, but I agree with you 100% - starting up a new AM format and actually selling airtime(with no numbers) is like pulling teeth with a monkey wrench.

I admire Brian Cashdollar for his ideals, but I think most of us here on this board who were familiar with what he was doing knew he was doomed from day one. His program lineup of non professional sounding local staffers, Pacifica & other special interest news shows mixed in with Air America just wasn't going to fly. Even if Entercom had not counter programmed with their own lib talk lineup on KB and even if Brian had simply ran a very professional sounding morning drive liberal/progressive news/talk show, followed by Air America and Jones Network(Stephanie, Ed) programming the rest of the time, he still would have had a tough sell. Starting a successful AM format from scratch - it's just not being done anymore.

Some of you Rochesterians might remember a similar effort in print media about 10 years ago when a couple people tried to counter the Democrat and Chronicle's more "liberal" slant on the news. They actually started a daily newspaper, The Rochester Free Press. The price was not free, so not much circulation and not much advertising money coming in. I don't think it lasted 6 months, if that long.

There is a place and a need for special interest community programming, but not on a commercial station. I'm still hopeful the 3 space adjacency rule will be overturned and LPFM will become a reality.
 
JakeLongwell said:
Considering WGMC is owned by a K-12 school, I am sure most residents in the district would be all in favor of selling it off. I am sure that some of the revenue generated from school taxes goes toward funding the radio station, and I am sure that would annoy some residents, especially if they don't listen to the station in the first place. Plus the argument could be made that the station isn't serving any kind of educational purpose, rather, it is a "public service" of the school.

WGMC is responsible for raising all of the money necessary for its operation, including salaries and budget items mandated by the district for supporting the station -- benefits, phones, computers, etc. That impression -- that the school district is funding it -- is a hindrance to fundraising operations.

The station funds its operating budget via members and underwriting and raises money for capital purchases via Greece Community Broadcasting, Inc., a 501c3. GCB raised the money for the power increase and has funded the purchase of tens of thousands of dollars in broadcast equipment. GCB is sponsoring a wine tasting party at the Memorial Art Gallery on Sept. 20 and raised a nice amount of money at its second annual May "Art Loves Jazz" event. A couple of state legislators in the area have assisted the station in a couple of small state grants this year to assist with equipment upgrades.

As a non-CPB station, WGMC does not receive any funding from that source.

The current station facility was built as part of the school district's building campaign and the radio studios are included as part of a video production area attached to the Greece Olympia library addition. Broadcasting curricula incorporating the radio and TV areas begins this fall. Student interns from Greece and other districts as well as colleges have participated and continue to do so at WGMC.
 
Re: WXXI going HD (WRUR and ...)

I will preface this response that I am a now a WXXI employee, but I want it to be pretty clear that these are personal and general observations based on my experience and comments on some of the posters here, and do not reflect any official position or knowledge of WXXI policies or projects, other than what is public or what I have heard from my contacts in the industry:

First, much of volunteer radio suffers from a narcissistic attituide. It is not about the station, but about them and their show. In many ways, this is the plague of much of college and community radio. There may be moments of brilliance, but much of it lacks an overall focus. At it's best, there can be some bright spots. However, even with WRUR, at one time they used to sign off the air in afternoon drive for "transmitter and studio maintenance!" This does not seem to be in the best interest of their audience. It should be about the listeners, not the hosts, and for that matter, not even the station, to a major degree, other than the bills have to get paid to keep them on the air. Thus, WGMC, with its focus on Jazz, is doing well in gaining audience. WXXI and WBER also have a focus and do well. WRUR is doing better. WITR is, well, doing the same as it always has, and has seen little or no growth. The other issue that comes up is that what happens to a popular show when the volunteer leaves or graduates, and now that show is replaced by a different genre? Worse, can someone step in to continue the success? In many cases, this does not happen at the volunteer level, and even at the "professional" level. In some areas, this is not a problem, but in many ways, a free form radio station with block programming that changes every hour does very poorly in terms of serving its audience and attracting long term listeners, except for certin genres. A lot of the lamenting of the death of "underground radio" goes back to the early 70's, when FM was in its infancy, and no one knew what to do. I think this is a lot like remembering that first car or girlfriend you had, and the glasses ane memory are not only foggy, but when we take an objective and clear look, we truly remember our ride was a rust bucket and that first love was not as pretty as we remembered. Yet, it still gives that warm, nostalgic feeling, when in reality, it was not that great, and in many ways, pretty unlistenable. For example, I loved WSAY just for not knowing what was going to be played next. However, overall, it was pretty bad. Radio has matured and become niched, which some say is bad. However, it has given us more formats and choices. Perhaps if we want the "progressive" customized experience, perhaps that is best left to IPods.

One thing to look at for stations is to ask "what is the mission of the station is and how it meets that." The Rochester metro did not really have a full time Jazz station that reached the entire market until recently ( yes, I know they still have some specialty shows and I really don't consider WJZR a jazz station). So, with this change, one should ask the question, should WRUR, WITR, WXXI, and WJZR be doing Jazz at all? Is there a better way of serving the listeners than to duplicate programming? Jake lamented the longtime classical program on WRUR going away. With its low audience and duplication, it just did not make sense, even though there is some difference due to the now year round opera slot on FM91.5. At the same time, if there are 3 gospel music shows on Sunday morning, would you as a program director add one at the same time, just because you had a student or volunteer that wanted to do a show at that time? What would be the point? At the same time, there are probably some great national programs not on the airwaves, as well as some local ones to consider, that would benefit from a cooperative arrangement with stations sharing programming and resources. Would NPR's Jazzset and Piano Jazz be better on WGMC and open up time on WRUR or WXXI-AM for more offerings? What about HD channels? Taking WRUR HD would indeed give even more offerings to the community, and this could include local programs and programming. The same is true if WGMC did this. Perhaps they could do Spanish all the time. This could be a great win for all the stations in adding programming to the benefit of their listeners.

As for the notion of WXXI pouring a ton of money to refurbish the WRUR studios, have you actually set foot in that building? With the exception of Enco for playback and recording of WRUR music, ids, and other elements, there has not been much done by WXXI in terms of money into that facility. WXXI will be spending some bucks to move the transmitter to Pinacle Hill, which should get rid of some of the problems with WRUR being on the Hyatt, and yes, it should improve the quality of the audio of programming originating from the studio and the network programming, as well. The audio equipment and such were all WRUR purchases, and pretty limited. Most of their stuff is not very up to date, in terms of studio gear.

FYI, I have never heard of the rumor of WXXI wanting or offering to buy WGMC. I think this is rumor or a misinterpretation of some market studies that were done some time ago, that looked at all formats in the market. I never heard that from any of my contacts, both in and outside the industry. I also disagree that "the university took the easy way out" in going with the partnership. If they truly took the easy way out, they could have sold the station to the highest bidder, and we would likely have had another Family Life, K-LOVE, or Family Radio station covering downtown. Yes, the University could have pumped resources and kept it all its own. However, what is the mission of the University? There is no "radio or journalism" program, as some nearby schools (Brockport, FLCC, Geneseo to same a few), and it would likely have caused a lot of discussion if not outcry from the faculty, which is really the focus of the main mission of the university: College Education. This is true of many university licensees, which does not see broadcasting as its mission.

I think the discussion is a good one, and if we all could run a radio station, we would all have different ideas. And we all would be pointing out how the other person is wrong for what they are doing. There are a lot of choices out there now, and things will likely increase in terms of additions. Even with HD there are more choices (check out the HD3 service of WXXI for some decent programs that aren't on at the moment in the market, including The World, As it happens, and even Bob Edwards, or some of the musical offerings on some of the HD2s of the commercial stations), and you can always go with XM or Sirius. People can choose to listen and support a public radio or commercial radio station, and this is the beauty of it. If you don't like what you hear, turn the dial, don't write that check, or in the case of commercial stations, don't buy the products they sell.
 
First, much of volunteer radio suffers from a narcissistic attituide. It is not about the station, but about them and their show. In many ways, this is the plague of much of college and community radio. There may be moments of brilliance, but much of it lacks an overall focus. At it's best, there can be some bright spots.
"Narcissistic" might well apply to campus stations(as I recall from own days in college many years ago) but college run stations and community run stations are not neccessarily the same thing. A true community station would be open to diverse voices of all ages. As far as currently exisiting volunteer radio that is not limited to college students, check out the blues and oldies shows on WITR on sundays. Mike Murray(who formerly worked in commercial radio locally) does an excellent job as host of Whole Lotta Shakin' - you'll hear a lot of tunes you'll never hear on a commercial oldies format and he plays a lot of newer releases by "roots rock" artists.

However, even with WRUR, at one time they used to sign off the air in afternoon drive for "transmitter and studio maintenance!"
WRUR's history does not apply to anyone else.

Thus, WGMC, with its focus on Jazz, is doing well in gaining audience. WXXI and WBER also have a focus and do well. WRUR is doing better. WITR is, well, doing the same as it always has, and has seen little or no growth.
Ever try picking up WITR? Very bad signal. I can pick them up "ok" in my car, but they still sound like an out of town signal. Too bad, they have some good shows.

The other issue that comes up is that what happens to a popular show when the volunteer leaves or graduates, and now that show is replaced by a different genre? Worse, can someone step in to continue the success? In many cases, this does not happen at the volunteer level, and even at the "professional" level.
This argument only would apply to a station such as WBSU(Brockport State) or WBNY(Buffalo State). Nobody "graduates" from a community station. Don't WITR and WRUR both have many shows hosted by members of the community?

Another point is that there are national shows that deserve airtime and don't get enough of it, thanks to those quite corporate public broadcasters. The government propaganda fed to us 24/7 prior to the invasion of Iraq has made me forever distrustful of mainstream media(not just Fox News)....why weren't NPR stations telling us the real truth? Afraid of losing government funding? Pissing off corporate underwriters who like to live off government contracts(aka the real "welfare queens " of america)? Alternative news shows, such as Democracy Now deserve to be on in all markets where there is an interest. Yes, they do have a liberal agenda. If there are alternative news shows with a conservative/libertarian agenda, they also deserve airtime.

A friend of mine heard an alternative news show(off their internet feed) that featured a story about Monsanto and genetic engineering. Pretty horrifying details. Do you think a non profit corporate NPR station is going to run that show? Doesn't Monsanto(like Mobil Exxon) underwrite public broadcasting? Conflict of interest, perhaps?

Radio has matured and become niched, which some say is bad. However, it has given us more formats and choices.
Most of the choices suck. Generic djs playing generic country, generic classic rock, generic this and generic that. Sad that McDonalds has become the business model for an entire nation.

Back to public radio, beyond all other arguments, why should a few people at the top have total control over what gets on the local airwaves? Who are they and what gives them the right to control the airwaves, which are supposed to be owned by the public? Our founding fathers were very much inspired by the pamphlet "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine. He advocated a free nation where there would be a "marketplace of ideas."
 
Cee, you're just plain wrong when you say there's a conflict of interest between NPR and an underwriter. I'm an insider, and I know the real story. There is an absolute firewall between NPR's news division and the network's corporate underwriting department. This firewall is so strong that the News Division doesn't even know when certain underwriting announcements are scheduled. This even proved embarrassing one time when the News Division aired a critical report on Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) several years ago, only to have an ADM credit appear in the same half-hour. I know NPR's top brass personally. They represent the best of the best in broadcast journalism. There is absolutely no corporate influence over the News Division. If you're going to claim otherwise, Cee, offer a specific example. Otherwise, such criticism is inaccurate and unfair. I would have to go back to Fall 2002 to review NPR's coverage to determine what was reported on in the run-up to the war. I don't have the time and inclination to do so. But I do think the media in general have been forthcoming in their failure in that regard. But believe me, if NPR failed, it had nothing to do with keeping their corporate supporters happy.
 
Say it ain't so!! Alright, say it IS so. Some of us can remember when 560 French Road (WXXI-AM's transmitter site) was about to be condemned. It was one of the most antiquated radio sites in the country. An RCA transmitter (installed in about 1950), a backup that was even older (1kw) and equipment that pre-dated Marconi. Now you're talking AM 1370 going HD? Wow. I know things change. Gordon P. Brown is spinning faster than that old Ampex 300 rewinding a Drew Pearson tape. You don't have to know what I'm talking about. Fybush does.
 
DaveMasonsd said:
Say it ain't so!! Alright, say it IS so. Some of us can remember when 560 French Road (WXXI-AM's transmitter site) was about to be condemned. It was one of the most antiquated radio sites in the country. An RCA transmitter (installed in about 1950), a backup that was even older (1kw) and equipment that pre-dated Marconi. Now you're talking AM 1370 going HD? Wow. I know things change. Gordon P. Brown is spinning faster than that old Ampex 300 rewinding a Drew Pearson tape. You don't have to know what I'm talking about. Fybush does.
I always like Gordon's idea of interior decorating. Put up a few studs and call it an office or a studio.

Believe it or not the generator at French Road still is not automatic. An engineer has to travel from State Street to French Road to turn it on during a black-out.

When I suggested to management at WXXI that they spend a few grand to install an automatic-start generator when the lights went out, they looked at me like I'm crazy. Now they are spending money on HD.

Another point I brought up is that there is no generator for the main broadcasting facility downtown. Again I got no response. Good luck to them the next time power goes out and the radio dials start turning to WHAM or WYSL for local updates and information.
 
With regard to WITR, I commend that station for trying to be both a college and a community radio station. They picked up a handful of the shows that were dropped from WRUR amidst all the changes there, including "Dimension Latina" one of the few Spanish language programs available in Rochester. As well as a few other shows. But, unfortunately, they still have an obligation to give airtime to students, especially those in the media program at RIT. I know this because at one time, I had expressed interest in volunteering at WITR, and this is what I was told.

Having read all the posts on this thread, I can see all sides to this discussion, and, I agree that it is a good one.

I have to agree with those who say that there needs to be an outlet for diverse community voices in both Rochester, and Buffalo. One solution might be to launch a station on an FM channel over the local cable system. It was done in several markets with locally owned cable companies many years ago. But I don't think Time Warner would go for it.
 
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