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WYRV-AM (770) Cedar Bluff, VA on at night, interfering with WABC

Steve Green NEPA said:
@ ted chittenden

Thanx for that interesting link.
There are other states with some higher casualty figures, of course. But I was surprised to see the three states I've considered my 'turfs' throughout the years have so many FCC books closed -- 4 in Massachusetts, 10 in PA, and 18 in Florida -- since 2020 alone!
I can't locate the first reasonably Big One's exit. That was a stunner, some 20 years ago, when full-time regional WHLM Bloomsburg PA on the almost-obscene frequency of 550 shut down and the company went with its FM.
As you can fancy, the high end of the AM dial hasn't been kind to listenership at all. Locals I couldn't locate include 1450, 1480, 1530 and 1590, which have gone down like sequential tumbling dominos.
Even as a far more casual DXer here in NEPA I've been able to log a total of 20 new 'catches' from those four frequencies alone. The DX quest, however benign as it's become, has benefited. I'm saddened at that huge list, though.
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Keep in mind (and Mesa Mike makes it clear at the top) that the list is of AM licenses cancelled by the FCC beginning in (roughly) 1985. (I think there may be two or three listed before then.) If a station has requested a silent STA (such as the 560 frequency in San Francisco), it won't be listed simply because the license hasn't been cancelled yet.

Also for those looking at the site, you can set the order of listings by state (alphabetical order), by frequency (beginning with 540 kHz), and by city by using the links at (at least with screenreaders) the top of the site. Also, using the check boxes, you can look for cancelled construction permits (some of those by virtue of their frequencies are *very* interesting), and a combined list showing both.

It should also be kept in mind that the final callsign assigned to the frequency is the one that is listed as the callsign being cancelled, regardless of whether it was ever actually used on the air. For example, in my neck of the woods, there is a listing for KFAS (1260 kHz) being cancelled in 1997 with the city of license being Casa Grande. Though I heard the station many times over-the-air during the 1970s, the callsign I remember from it is KPIN and I can''t find anything saying that the station came back on the air with the KFAS callsign.

Finally, there is at least one cancellation notice from the FCC listed there during the early 1990s that never actually took place. I'm referring to the entry for KUKQ (which is now listed along with a number of others as occurring on 11/26/2020.) The 1060 frequency never went off of the air in the Phoenix market; only the callsign was changed. I think this was a mixup at the FCC.
 
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amos1001 said:
I am not directly involved with any PSSA station, so I didn't know the rules. That being said, I thought possibly they were running a flea power PSSA. Guess I was mistaken on that.
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It happens to all of us, from time to time, totally understand.

amos1001 said:
*one of only two towers i ever climbed was in Young Harris, GA. The station was WZEL then, owned by GA Lt Governor Zell Miller. I don't remember the frequency, so I'm not sure it was the same station.
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Well, that's two more towers than I've ever climbed. When I worked in radio, I did everything but the Engineering and Accounts Receivable. :D) On the former, one evening, I called our GM (both of us were at home), informing him we were throwing a spur and he didn't know to what I was referring. Had to get out of ham radio mode and explain it to him. Shortly thereafter, we got the Nautel (sp). On the latter, I did take a few payments and put them in their proper place and handed out plenty of notices, yeah buddy.
 
ted chittenden said:
Keep in mind (and Mesa Mike makes it clear at the top) that the list is of AM licenses cancelled by the FCC beginning in (roughly) 1985. (I think there may be two or three listed before then.) If a station has requested a silent STA (such as the 560 frequency in San Francisco), it won't be listed simply because the license hasn't been cancelled yet.

Also for those looking at the site, you can set the order of listings by state (alphabetical order), by frequency (beginning with 540 kHz), and by city by using the links at (at least with screenreaders) the top of the site. Also, using the check boxes, you can look for cancelled construction permits (some of those by virtue of their frequencies are *very* interesting), and a combined list showing both.

It should also be kept in mind that the final callsign assigned to the frequency is the one that is listed as the callsign being cancelled, regardless of whether it was ever actually used on the air. For example, in my neck of the woods, there is a listing for KFAS (1260 kHz) being cancelled in 1997 with the city of license being Casa Grande. Though I heard the station many times over-the-air during the 1970s, the callsign I remember from it is KPIN and I can''t find anything saying that the station came back on the air with the KFAS callsign.

Finally, there is at least one cancellation notice from the FCC listed there during the early 1990s that never actually took place. I'm referring to the entry for KUKQ (which is now listed along with a number of others as occurring on 11/26/2020.) The 1060 frequency never went off of the air in the Phoenix market; only the callsign was changed. I think this was a mixup at the FCC.
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Thanks, Ted. To give an example from back home, which I have yet to look up and try 1600 in Reidsville, NC, would be listed as WKXQ, not WRNC or it's more-famous callsign, WFRC. For the record, I believe all those callsigns are in use today, maybe even WRNC.
 
No, I take that back, looks like they were WRNC, last.

2020-11-16
LICAN
73949
WRNC
1600
NC
REIDSVILLE

List of AM radio stations deleted from the FCC database

List of deleted USA AM radio stations
mesamike.org

Couldn't go up to copy/past the website, so alt-tabbed, opened a new window and googled it. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Heard on All Things Southern years ago, that was referring to catfish.
 
amos1001 said:
I am not directly involved with any PSSA station, so I didn't know the rules. That being said, I thought possibly they were running a flea power PSSA. Guess I was mistaken on that.

*one of only two towers i ever climbed was in Young Harris, GA. The station was WZEL then, owned by GA Lt Governor Zell Miller. I don't remember the frequency, so I'm not sure it was the same station.
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I it was 770 which AD bought from Zell. AD was the treasurer for the Olympics and knew a lot of folks. Board of Directors for RJ Reynolds, a big shot at Caremark and the last president of Goldkist an negotiated the sale to Pilgrims Pride for way too much money.
 
crainbebo said:
A 50,000-watt clear-channel AM station in the biggest city in America has NO chief engineer?! This is a bad sign for the future of radio....
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It depends on how much redundancy WABC has technically. Are there actual competent folks at the WABC transmitter site 24 7 and or do they have a spare transmitter? If so then the chief engineer position might not be needed as long as there is a Good IT person to handle the studios..
 
amos1001 said:
I am not directly involved with any PSSA station, so I didn't know the rules. That being said, I thought possibly they were running a flea power PSSA. Guess I was mistaken on that.

*one of only two towers i ever climbed was in Young Harris, GA. The station was WZEL then, owned by GA Lt Governor Zell Miller. I don't remember the frequency, so I'm not sure it was the same station.
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It was 750 miles or less from a 50kw Class A Clear .. and you couldnt get night power.

The Young Harris, GA AM but it no longer has a license, it was on 770.

Stations can get up to 500 Watts pre sunrise authority (psra) or post sunset authority (pssa). The FCC issued new data in the 2000s but then rescinded it as I recall, but you could ask them to caclulate it just for you.

I ran a station in south carolina on 1590 and when i took over, i found paperwork from ages ago that had PSSA and PSRA data n it and that, at the time, superceeded anything the FCC may have issued or rescinded. I had 500 Watts from 6am to sunrise and anywhere between 50 and 10 watts post sunset. But if your night power was higher than your post sunse or pre sunrise, you could use that instead

I was allowed 500W Pre sunrise because by then, the skywave from the interfering station was mostly burned off. But i was only allowed a few dozen post sunset watts because.. of that skywave. WKTP 1590 blasted 5kw into 4 towers right at me...... and if WCSL dropped power, WKTP was easily audible in my studio..... thats a big IF.
 
secondchoice said:
It depends on how much redundancy WABC has technically. Are there actual competent folks at the WABC transmitter site 24 7 and or do they have a spare transmitter? If so then the chief engineer position might not be needed as long as there is a Good IT person to handle the studios..
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lol.. its laughable you think anyones at any TX site 24/7 for the most part
 
crainbebo said:
A 50,000-watt clear-channel AM station in the biggest city in America has NO chief engineer?! This is a bad sign for the future of radio....
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Yeah, not good. As I said in another thread, a friend in the business believes the owner of a well-known blowtorch is trying to make it fall. He also says, if it falls, a lot of other big ones will fall. In the words of the late Evangelist Billy Mitchell, I Think I'm Right, But I Hope I'm Wrong.
 
secondchoice said:
I it was 770 which AD bought from Zell. AD was the treasurer for the Olympics and knew a lot of folks. Board of Directors for RJ Reynolds, a big shot at Caremark and the last president of Goldkist an negotiated the sale to Pilgrims Pride for way too much money.
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Roger on that, thanks for the History lesson.
 
secondchoice said:
Neither did the sponcers.
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Didn't think they would. I've been told, someone from Wolf Creek went out to sell and came across a disgruntled business owner, because they (Wolf Creek) were the ones who forced her Christian station to move! Needless to say, no sale.
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
lol.. its laughable you think anyones at any TX site 24/7 for the most part
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It's was a union station in the largest market in the USA. The chief engineer position might not union. If you work anywhere that that has a union with a pension plan it would be hard to give that up. I am not a CWA member anymore so I can't look up what is going on with contracts since I can't vote on contracts.

I was a member of the CWA during 911 attacks. There were about 20 union brothers and sisters listed on the union site that died that day. I am pretty sure at least one was in the tower. When the towers collapsed it did a lot of damage to the phone office just across the street. In Atlanta we quickly filled several precast concrete huts that weekend with switch modes so the NYSE could be opened.
 
Josh Owens said:
Didn't think they would. I've been told, someone from Wolf Creek went out to sell and came across a disgruntled business owner, because they (Wolf Creek) were the ones who forced her Christian station to move! Needless to say, no sale.
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I believe that station wasn't in their prime marketing area. I really shouldn't speak poorly of the dead, I will just say mistakes were made.
 
secondchoice said:
I believe that station wasn't in their prime marketing area. I really shouldn't speak poorly of the dead, I will just say mistakes were made.
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I understand. That, they were, mistakes made, that is, with everybody involved. I sometimes take things a little too far, sorry.
 


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