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X103.9 Mornings To Go Double D

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maxratings

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New Rock 107.3 in San Luis Obispo loses their night guy to Riverside. Doug "Double D" Durocher is making the move down the California coast and will become the latest morning failure in San Bernaghetto after the First.

Oops, Kevin and Bean accidentally killed off another one.
 
> New Rock 107.3 in San Luis Obispo loses their night guy to
> Riverside. Doug "Double D" Durocher is making the move down
> the California coast and will become the latest morning
> failure in San Bernaghetto after the First.
>
> Oops, Kevin and Bean accidentally killed off another one.

[ sarcasm ]
I love how people predict ratings failures even before someone gets on the air.
[ /sarcasm ]

You know, it doesn't matter how well Kevin and Bean do in the IE, because KROQ is an "out-of-market" station there.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > New Rock 107.3 in San Luis Obispo loses their night guy to
>
> > Riverside. Doug "Double D" Durocher is making the move
> down
> > the California coast and will become the latest morning
> > failure in San Bernaghetto after the First.
> >
> > Oops, Kevin and Bean accidentally killed off another one.
>
> [ sarcasm ]
> I love how people predict ratings failures even before
> someone gets on the air.
> [ /sarcasm ]
>
> You know, it doesn't matter how well Kevin and Bean do in
> the IE, because KROQ is an "out-of-market" station there.
>
KROQ doesn't matter? They do if they take numbers away from an "in-market" radio station. It's not hard to predict failure when there's such a total history of failure in the morning at that radio station. And that doesn't even count the new guy's failures in Hawaii.
 
> > You know, it doesn't matter how well Kevin and Bean do in
> > the IE, because KROQ is an "out-of-market" station there.
> >
> KROQ doesn't matter? They do if they take numbers away from
> an "in-market" radio station. It's not hard to predict
> failure when there's such a total history of failure in the
> morning at that radio station. And that doesn't even count
> the new guy's failures in Hawaii.

For someone who dubs himself "maxratings" you apparently don't understand how they are used.

KROQ's numbers are not part of the equation for advertising buys in the IE. Therefore, Kevin and Bean cannot "kill off" anyone in the IE.

Whether or not Doug is successful will depend on his showing in the ratings against the rest of the IE's local stations. The ratings for KROQ will not be a factor in that.

And it is blatantly unfair of you to presume failure simply based upon the performance of past morning shows. That said, if there is no improvement, then there has to be more affecting the situation if multiple morning shows have been tried and failed. A continued history of low ratings even after multiple changes usually indicates a problem with the programming itself.<P ID="signature">______________


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>
> KROQ's numbers are not part of the equation for advertising
> buys in the IE. Therefore, Kevin and Bean cannot "kill off"
> anyone in the IE.
>

Also good to keep in mind is that KROQ, on Verdugo, has a 70 dbu that barely gets to City of Industry. The 60 dbu does not get to the IE at all, stopping right at Pomona to the East. So any listening to KROQ is coincidental as ALL the IE radio market is outside the consistently usable KROQ signal.
 
> >
> > KROQ's numbers are not part of the equation for
> advertising
> > buys in the IE. Therefore, Kevin and Bean cannot "kill
> off"
> > anyone in the IE.
> >
>
> Also good to keep in mind is that KROQ, on Verdugo, has a 70
> dbu that barely gets to City of Industry. The 60 dbu does
> not get to the IE at all, stopping right at Pomona to the
> East. So any listening to KROQ is coincidental as ALL the IE
> radio market is outside the consistently usable KROQ signal.
>

Hmmmmm. I'm not showing my expertise? Let's see.

First, KROQ's numbers ARE part of the equation for a national buy every time a buyer wanting the younger demos figures they can cover the Riverside market with an LA signal, which happens all the time.

Second, KGGI doesn't get their butts kicked by Kiss or Power. KFrog doesn't get it's butt kicked by KZLA. KOLA beats KEarth. KCAL beats KLOS (and yes I know they target different demos). KROQ is keeping KCXX down when compared to other market signals.

Third, some guy with a scope can read all the dbu's he wants to. KROQ can be heard in all of Riverside county and most of San Berdoo county as well. The signal only sucks in the city of San Bernaghetto.

Fourth, oh how cruel of me to predict failure for these poor hearty souls who come to the market, last less than a year, get no guidance and then get fired or quit because they can't beat Kevin & Bean, Mark & Brian, the Morning Stiffy, Jeff Pope, the Frogmen, or even the latest victim on Wild 96.

The problem is in the programming itself? Duh.
 
>
> Hmmmmm. I'm not showing my expertise? Let's see.
>
> First, KROQ's numbers ARE part of the equation for a
> national buy every time a buyer wanting the younger demos
> figures they can cover the Riverside market with an LA
> signal, which happens all the time.

National revenue is less than 15% of billing in Riverside - San Bernardino. You can not lose what you do not have.

Buyers who believe they can cover any demo out of LA are not looking at the fact tha tthe LA stations rack up numbers based on the Western part of th emarket being a bedroom community for LA, and much listening is done in LA County or the OC. Most of the IE is poorly covered by most LA signals... especially low power ones like KIIS.
>
> Second, KGGI doesn't get their butts kicked by Kiss or
> Power.

KIIS is very low power, and Power is directinal away formt hat area. Neiter comepete well in the IE except at the very fringe and among commuters. KGGI is a B.

> KFrog doesn't get it's butt kicked by KZLA.

It's a full B.

> KOLA
> beats KEarth.

KOLA is a B

> KCAL beats KLOS (and yes I know they target
> different demos). KROQ is keeping KCXX down when compared
> to other market signals.

KCXX is a horrible A, protecting a co/channel in LA.
>
> Third, some guy with a scope can read all the dbu's he wants
> to. KROQ can be heard in all of Riverside county and most
> of San Berdoo county as well. The signal only sucks in the
> city of San Bernaghetto.

You do not read FM signals with a scope. You measure them with an FM FSM or run a terrain sensitive map. The fact is that the signal is not usable in most of the market in homes, offices and most vehicles. Most of the KROQ listening comes from commuters going to LA and at work listening in LA and Orange, and listening along the very close Western areas of the IE contiguous with LA.

Countless studies show that over 80% of quarter hours come fromt he 70 dbu, with nearly all the rest coming from the 64 and above. There is no 64 anywhere in the IE.

I can hear KOLA in much of the LA area. How come it does not get numbers? Fact: the signal is too weak to penetrate, even if car radios get it.

KROQ averages around the mid-1 shares in the IE, and is beaten by such LA stations as KRTH (which has a signal) and KLVE (which has a signal) etc., etc.
>
> Fourth, oh how cruel of me to predict failure for these poor
> hearty souls who come to the market, last less than a year,
> get no guidance and then get fired or quit because they
> can't beat Kevin & Bean, Mark & Brian, the Morning Stiffy,
> Jeff Pope, the Frogmen, or even the latest victim on Wild
> 96.

Bad class A signal. Location, location, location. They still beat KCXX. And, just perhaps, the alternative audience is smaller in the IE than LA... for the same reason the country audience is about 4 times bigger.
 
>>
> Bad class A signal. Location, location, location. They still
> beat KCXX. And, just perhaps, the alternative audience is
> smaller in the IE than LA... for the same reason the country
> audience is about 4 times bigger.
>

Wasn't there once a KROQ-like station on 103.9 out in Riverside a few
years back? Didn't last particularly long....
 
> >
> > Hmmmmm. I'm not showing my expertise? Let's see.
> >
> > First, KROQ's numbers ARE part of the equation for a
> > national buy every time a buyer wanting the younger demos
> > figures they can cover the Riverside market with an LA
> > signal, which happens all the time.
>
> National revenue is less than 15% of billing in Riverside -
> San Bernardino. You can not lose what you do not have.
>
> Buyers who believe they can cover any demo out of LA are not
> looking at the fact tha tthe LA stations rack up numbers
> based on the Western part of th emarket being a bedroom
> community for LA, and much listening is done in LA County or
> the OC. Most of the IE is poorly covered by most LA
> signals... especially low power ones like KIIS.
> >
> > Second, KGGI doesn't get their butts kicked by Kiss or
> > Power.
>
> KIIS is very low power, and Power is directinal away formt
> hat area. Neiter comepete well in the IE except at the very
> fringe and among commuters. KGGI is a B.
>
> > KFrog doesn't get it's butt kicked by KZLA.
>
> It's a full B.
>
> > KOLA
> > beats KEarth.
>
> KOLA is a B
>
> > KCAL beats KLOS (and yes I know they target
> > different demos). KROQ is keeping KCXX down when compared
>
> > to other market signals.
>
> KCXX is a horrible A, protecting a co/channel in LA.
> >
> > Third, some guy with a scope can read all the dbu's he
> wants
> > to. KROQ can be heard in all of Riverside county and most
>
> > of San Berdoo county as well. The signal only sucks in
> the
> > city of San Bernaghetto.
>
> You do not read FM signals with a scope. You measure them
> with an FM FSM or run a terrain sensitive map. The fact is
> that the signal is not usable in most of the market in
> homes, offices and most vehicles. Most of the KROQ listening
> comes from commuters going to LA and at work listening in LA
> and Orange, and listening along the very close Western areas
> of the IE contiguous with LA.
>
> Countless studies show that over 80% of quarter hours come
> fromt he 70 dbu, with nearly all the rest coming from the 64
> and above. There is no 64 anywhere in the IE.
>
> I can hear KOLA in much of the LA area. How come it does not
> get numbers? Fact: the signal is too weak to penetrate, even
> if car radios get it.
>
> KROQ averages around the mid-1 shares in the IE, and is
> beaten by such LA stations as KRTH (which has a signal) and
> KLVE (which has a signal) etc., etc.
> >
> > Fourth, oh how cruel of me to predict failure for these
> poor
> > hearty souls who come to the market, last less than a
> year,
> > get no guidance and then get fired or quit because they
> > can't beat Kevin & Bean, Mark & Brian, the Morning Stiffy,
>
> > Jeff Pope, the Frogmen, or even the latest victim on Wild
> > 96.
>
> Bad class A signal. Location, location, location. They still
> beat KCXX. And, just perhaps, the alternative audience is
> smaller in the IE than LA... for the same reason the country
> audience is about 4 times bigger.
>

I agree with David on just about everything. But my question is how Entravision can sell KLYY - with essentially the same 54 dbu contour as KOLA as an L.A. station? IMHO, the reason KOLA doesn't generally show up - and KLYY does - is that "Oye" has an exclusive format and that it is sold (and more importantly) marketed as an L.A. station - where KOLA is pretty similar to KRTH ... From a car standpoint, KLYY and KOLA seem to be about the same (actually I hear KOLA in more places because in the SF valley, it does a better job of holding out KTYD than KLYY does of keeping KRUZ away).
 
>
> I agree with David on just about everything. But my question
> is how Entravision can sell KLYY - with essentially the same
> 54 dbu contour as KOLA as an L.A. station?

They can't. They never have been a ble to get very good sales on this, even when it was in the 2 share rangfe when superestrella was on 97.5. Still, they have it listed in Arbitron as "home" to LA, and it does a slightly beeter job than KOLA of covering a real target... the 97.5 covers a big Hispanic area, wile KOLA is not too god at the areas where most English oldies listeners would be in the LA market.

> IMHO, the reason
> KOLA doesn't generally show up - and KLYY does - is that
> "Oye" has an exclusive format and that it is sold (and more
> importantly) marketed as an L.A. station - where KOLA is
> pretty similar to KRTH ... From a car standpoint, KLYY and
> KOLA seem to be about the same (actually I hear KOLA in more
> places because in the SF valley, it does a better job of
> holding out KTYD than KLYY does of keeping KRUZ away).

A bit of KLYY is the exclusive format, but that will change in late January when they switch to whatever fomrat thier current research project shows them is right.
>
 
Re: Follow up on KROQ signal in IE.

>
> Third, some guy with a scope can read all the dbu's he wants
> to. KROQ can be heard in all of Riverside county and most
> of San Berdoo county as well. The signal only sucks in the
> city of San Bernaghetto.

I just drove back from the desert, and listend for KROQ all the way from Yucaipa to Pomona. On a very good car radio, I could not get a signal that was readable until about half way between the 15 and the 215 on the 10; it was not usable until west of Fontana and west of the 15. In other words, only a tiny part of the IE has a usable signal in a car, and none of it has a good in home signal.

So, I reiterate my belief... the KROQ listening int he IE is in the Western freinge of the market, and with commuters who listen in cars and workplaces in LA or OC.
 
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