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XEROK 800 is off the air

DavidEduardo said:
1090 has a 50 kw in Seattle, as well as Baltimore and Littlr Rock and a bunch of mid-America ones. XEPRS protects them. 690 even has a primary station in Mexico City, so Tijuana protects it. And 690 is mostly Canadian, but with some US stations like Coffeyville, Jacksonville and Honolulu with decent nigh power.

Thinking of that, 940 is also well used in the US at night, but most of the ones I listed are fully dominated by Mexico
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1090 and 690 here in the Chicago area have become relatively open channels. 1090 still produces KAAY on a regular basis. but the signal has become much weaker than it had been during KAAY'S top 40 days in the '60s and 70s. 690 has "eroded" even more. CBF from Montreal had dominated the channel with a good signal. The present Montreal 690 is still 50kw, but has a tight pattern not favorable to my direction. A weak WQNO from New Orleans is usually the most likely catch around here...IF their pattern is leaking.
940 used to be a reliable CBM from Montreal. Nowadays it's 500-watt WFAW from Fort Atkinson, WI via groundwave and favorable pattern without much to stop it. (55 miles)
 
Little Rock didn't erode, so to speak, @cyberdad. It was downgraded. Pumping out a mighty 80 watts at night from Wrightsville on the once formidable kay double a-y these days. Reception here in Tyler, TX is shaky, at best.
 
KAAY has yet to drop night power to 80 watts. There are still 2 towers up.
The towers btw are owned by Vertical Bridge.With two towers they could do more than 80 watts at night.
Down to Return On Investment.
 
boiseengineer said:
KAAY has yet to drop night power to 80 watts. There are still 2 towers up.
The towers btw are owned by Vertical Bridge.With two towers they could do more than 80 watts at night.
Down to Return On Investment.
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Yep. Not worth having that night signal. The night pattern is very much a narrow North-South squished figure 8, but the market has considerable growth to the SW on the 30 and to the East on the 40 as well as towards the NE on the 167, all of which have very confined night signals.

But in Des Moines, IA or Springfield, MO, it has a great night signal.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Yep. Not worth having that night signal. The night pattern is very much a narrow North-South squished figure 8, but the market has considerable growth to the SW on the 30 and to the East on the 40 as well as towards the NE on the 167, all of which have very confined night signals.

But in Des Moines, IA or Springfield, MO, it has a great night signal.
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Double "yep". A few years back, I stayed at a hotel in the midst of all the new development southwest of central Little Rock. I was rather astonished at how weak KAAY's night signal was out there.
 
If two towers are still there, KAAY could probably be considerably more power than 80 watts. Skywave models have changed along with international agreements since the 50000 watt Night pattern was authorized. Like WOWO, they couldn't be less than 10000 watts and still be Class A. Which tower collapsed? Hopefully there are two adjacent towers standing. The broadside pattern had to have a wide arc of nulls to protect WBAL and XEPRS with 50000 watts, and three towers allowed a wider arc of protection than two.
 
Schroedingers Cat said:
If two towers are still there, KAAY could probably be considerably more power than 80 watts. Skywave models have changed along with international agreements since the 50000 watt Night pattern was authorized. Like WOWO, they couldn't be less than 10000 watts and still be Class A. Which tower collapsed? Hopefully there are two adjacent towers standing. The broadside pattern had to have a wide arc of nulls to protect WBAL and XEPRS with 50000 watts, and three towers allowed a wider arc of protection than two.
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The real question is whether they even want to. Little Rock is market 95, and has 21 commercial FMs. The total commercial AM audience share going back several years is never over a 1 share, so it's pretty much over for AM in that market.
 
Schroedingers Cat said:
If two towers are still there, KAAY could probably be considerably more power than 80 watts. Skywave models have changed along with international agreements since the 50000 watt Night pattern was authorized. Like WOWO, they couldn't be less than 10000 watts and still be Class A. Which tower collapsed? Hopefully there are two adjacent towers standing. The broadside pattern had to have a wide arc of nulls to protect WBAL and XEPRS with 50000 watts, and three towers allowed a wider arc of protection than two.
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Looks like the West tower collapsed. Given that the two remaining towers could produce a very similar pattern with wider lobes, they might be able to stay Class A with 10000 watts. Protection in other directions would allow them to do it by reducing power and overlap, and perhaps WBAL and XEPRS. If they were at one time required to protect XEPRS within the US, they wouldn't be required to so so now. WBAL 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave wouldn't go as far North and South, due to the new skywave model. If the 80 watt becomes licensed, things would become more complex, having to protect newer Class Bs in other directions more stringently.
 
WCJ said:
Orange County, TX, they must be running at 80W this morning as there is no KAAY audible. Frequency sounds like a GY.
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They are certainly not at 50kW at night. I am in Tyler, WCJ, and KAAY is buried deep in the floor. It's there, but you'd be hard pressed to find it amongst all the jumble. I assumed Cumulus had already downgraded the signal, as just last year, repairs had been made which restored 1090 to 50kW. I heard it with my own receiver. It didn't last long, however. I don't follow the Natural State as vehemently as I do the Lone Star, so I can't give dates of occurrence and such, but rest assured that KAAY has the power output lowered.
 
rosecitymedia said:
They are certainly not at 50kW at night. I am in Tyler, WCJ, and KAAY is buried deep in the floor. It's there, but you'd be hard pressed to find it amongst all the jumble. I assumed Cumulus had already downgraded the signal, as just last year, repairs had been made which restored 1090 to 50kW. I heard it with my own receiver. It didn't last long, however. I don't follow the Natural State as vehemently as I do the Lone Star, so I can't give dates of occurrence and such, but rest assured that KAAY has the power output lowered.
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Still 12.5 kw non-directional night. In the former North & South main lobes the signal will be significantly lower, even if they were 50 kw non-directional.
 

RIP XEROK 800 AM "Radio Cañon" de Ciudad Juarez​


 
boiseengineer said:
Still 12.5 kw non-directional night. In the former North & South main lobes the signal will be significantly lower, even if they were 50 kw non-directional.
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Thi eplains quite a bit. Reasonably good signal in Pensacola, Definitely degraded at my home location northwest of Chicago.
 
gr8oldies said:
Brother Stair's organization still buys time on stations like KAAY. I can't imagine who actually listens to this dead molester but somebody must
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Our local Birach owned station, WEW, airs Brother Stair all day. It’s the only thing that keeps the bills paid, according to the stations engineer. Their old brokered Bosnian and Spanish programming didn’t
 
spiritof67 said:
Our local Birach owned station, WEW, airs Brother Stair all day. It’s the only thing that keeps the bills paid, according to the stations engineer. Their old brokered Bosnian and Spanish programming didn’t
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The bosnian and spanish broekred programming mustve brought in tiny peanuts .. i know what brother stairs group pays... not bottom dollar but far far from top dollar.

to make it worth it on WEW, for Birach that is.. i think theyd have to be paying north of $5000, closer to $10,000 to pay WEw's electric bill and engineer and keep some money in Sima's pockets
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
The bosnian and spanish broekred programming mustve brought in tiny peanuts .. i know what brother stairs group pays... not bottom dollar but far far from top dollar.

to make it worth it on WEW, for Birach that is.. i think theyd have to be paying north of $5000, closer to $10,000 to pay WEw's electric bill and engineer and keep some money in Sima's pockets
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What I heard was that the local brokered programming brought in about $2 thousand a month, so Brother Stair brought in more than that.
 
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