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XHBCE FM, XESS, XESDD.

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najemarg

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Does Pacific Spanish Network have ties to XHBCE FM 92.1,
XESDD 920, and XESS 1450, all in Ensenada BCN, because
there the same call letters as XHBCE FM 105.7, XESS 620, and
XESDD 1030, and if not is it llegal to take other stations
call letters.
 
> Does Pacific Spanish Network have ties to XHBCE FM 92.1,
> XESDD 920, and XESS 1450, all in Ensenada BCN, because
> there the same call letters as XHBCE FM 105.7, XESS 620, and
>
> XESDD 1030, and if not is it llegal to take other stations
> call letters.

It's my understanding that these Ensenada staitons were moved in to the metro Tijuana market...

Whether legal or illegal, the call letter usage is of concern to the Mexican government, not to anyone or any entity int he USA.
>
 
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> David is right: The stations "moved" to Tijuana.
>
Actually these stations are still broadcasting in Ensenada with the same call letters as the stations in Tijuana,and the are owned by the same person or people that own XHBCE,XESS AND XESDD in Tijuana.Why are they using the same call letter is unknown
 
> Whether legal or illegal, the call letter usage is of
> concern to the Mexican government, not to anyone or any
> entity int he USA.
> >
>

There are no international treaties about call letters in the commercial bands?

And did you really mean to say this is of no concern to anyone in the U.S.?
 
> > Whether legal or illegal, the call letter usage is of
> > concern to the Mexican government, not to anyone or any
> > entity int he USA.
>
> There are no international treaties about call letters in
> the commercial bands?

Nope. Just an assignment of prefixes by what is the ITU dating back 60 years. It is up to each country whether they use them, and how they assign them if they do, and whether to require usage on the air. Only about 4 countries in the Western Hemisphere require calls to be used on the air (Mexico, Canada, USA and Venezuela). At least one prohibits it as a manner of identification for commercial stations (Ecuador).
>
> And did you really mean to say this is of no concern to
> anyone in the U.S.?

Only of curiosity interst. Licencing in each country is each conuntry's concenrn, especially in things that are non-technical sucha s programming, call letters, studio location, etc.

Canada requires CANCON. How does that affect the US directly? Mexico for 5 decades has considered a daytimer to be able to operate till 7 PM local time, no matter what. It is each naiton's decision.
 
> > David is right: The stations "moved" to Tijuana.
> >
> Actually these stations are still broadcasting in Ensenada
> with the same call letters as the stations in Tijuana,and
> the are owned by the same person or people that own
> XHBCE,XESS AND XESDD in Tijuana.Why are they using the same
> call letter is unknown

In the most recent MPM, the Mexican media guide, all three are no longer listed in Ensenada. Have you heard them recently?
>
 
Mexico for 5 decades has considered a daytimer to
> be able to operate till 7 PM local time, no matter what. It
> is each nation's decision.

So Mexico allows it's daytimers to be on til 7 pm even if local sunset in Nov thru January is between 4:30 and 5:30 in most areas (I would presume) while the US mandates most daytimers to sign off at local sunset which could be as early as 4:00 pm or 4:15 pm.

On a side note, David, are there many daytimers in Mexico? Maybe you can answer another way, what's the % of Mexican stations that are daytime-only vs the % of US stations that are daytime-only.

To me, it's more unfair that Mexico allows its full-time radio stations to operate with full power until at least 7 pm regardless of local sunset while the US mandates many stations to reduce and/or change patterns at sunset. So it's a real disadvantage for those US stations that are impacted by Mexican stations' interference because of the different rules for each country.
 
> Mexico for 5 decades has considered a daytimer to
> > be able to operate till 7 PM local time, no matter what.
> It
> > is each nation's decision.
>
> So Mexico allows it's daytimers to be on til 7 pm even if
> local sunset in Nov thru January is between 4:30 and 5:30 in
> most areas (I would presume) while the US mandates most
> daytimers to sign off at local sunset which could be as
> early as 4:00 pm or 4:15 pm.

Mexico is mostly far towards the Equator. That means in many places, sunrise and sunset do not vary much, being a little more and little less than 6 AM and 6 PM.

The 6 AM to 7 PM has been standard in Mexico since the 50's.
>
> On a side note, David, are there many daytimers in Mexico?
> Maybe you can answer another way, what's the % of Mexican
> stations that are daytime-only vs the % of US stations that
> are daytime-only.

I do not have the data, but can look. There are a lot of daytimers, but there are more that are 10 kw day and 100 watts night... or similar. Real low night power. This, instead of higher power at night and directionals. The percentage of daytimers is lower, but there are probably 100 to 120. Or about 15% of all.
>
> To me, it's more unfair that Mexico allows its full-time
> radio stations to operate with full power until at least 7
> pm regardless of local sunset while the US mandates many
> stations to reduce and/or change patterns at sunset. So
> it's a real disadvantage for those US stations that are
> impacted by Mexican stations' interference because of the
> different rules for each country.
>
 
>
> Mexico is mostly far towards the Equator. That means in many
> places, sunrise and sunset do not vary much, being a little
> more and little less than 6 AM and 6 PM.
>
> The 6 AM to 7 PM has been standard in Mexico since the 50's.
>
> >

Thanks for the response. Just for kicks (Google is my friend) I checked the sunrise and sunset times in Mexico City in 2006

In the Spring/Summer--
The sun rises 6:58 am May 27th through June 17th
The sun sets 8:19 pm June 27th through July 13th


In the Fall/Winter--
The sun rises 7:14 am January 15th through January 21st (2007)
The sun sets 5:57 pm November 17th through December 4th

The day before Daylight Savings Time goes into effect--
On April 1st Sunrise 6:31 am Sunset 6:51 pm

The day before Daylight Savings Time ends--
On October 28th Sunrise 7:36 am Sunset 7:05 pm
 
> >
> > Mexico is mostly far towards the Equator. That means in
> many
> > places, sunrise and sunset do not vary much, being a
> little
> > more and little less than 6 AM and 6 PM.
> >
> > The 6 AM to 7 PM has been standard in Mexico since the
> 50's.
> >
> > >
>
> Thanks for the response. Just for kicks (Google is my
> friend) I checked the sunrise and sunset times in Mexico
> City in 2006

Remember, Mexico City is on CST. I used to live there, and the sunrise and sunset times do not vary much; it is 450 miles south of Miami. It is about the same latitude as San Juan, where sunrise and sunset do not vary more than +/- 45 minutes or so all year
 
> > > David is right: The stations "moved" to Tijuana.
> > >
> > Actually these stations are still broadcasting in Ensenada
>
> > with the same call letters as the stations in Tijuana,and
> > the are owned by the same person or people that own
> > XHBCE,XESS AND XESDD in Tijuana.Why are they using the
> same
> > call letter is unknown
>
> In the most recent MPM, the Mexican media guide, all three
> are no longer listed in Ensenada. Have you heard them
> recently?
> >
> According to mexicoradiotv.com they are still on and known
as, XHBCE 92.1 stereo sol, XESDD 920 la tremenda and XESS 1450
radio central.
 
> > >
> > According to mexicoradiotv.com they are still on and known
>
> as, XHBCE 92.1 stereo sol, XESDD 920 la tremenda and XESS
> 1450
> radio central.

MPM, Medios Publicitarios Mexicanos, is the directory all Mexican ad agencies use for station ifo and rates... so if they are not listed there, it seems that they are not "open for business."

Very strange. Can nayone from SD hear any of these signals on the air?
>
 
Re: XHBCE FM, XESS, XESDD. Just realized something about these three.

> > > >
> > > According to mexicoradiotv.com they are still on and
> known
> >
> > as, XHBCE 92.1 stereo sol, XESDD 920 la tremenda and XESS
> > 1450
> > radio central.
>
> MPM, Medios Publicitarios Mexicanos, is the directory all
> Mexican ad agencies use for station ifo and rates... so if
> they are not listed there, it seems that they are not "open
> for business."
>
> Very strange. Can nayone from SD hear any of these signals
> on the air?
> >
>
I realized something not to answer my own question but when
these three where slated for XESS 780, XESDD 920, and still
present XHBCE FM 105.7 at higher elevation with greater power
those Ensenada stations at XESS 1450, XESDD 920, and XHBCE FM
92.1, where originally going to be silenced, just a wild guess.
 
Re: XHBCE FM, XESS, XESDD. Just realized something about these three.

> I realized something not to answer my own question but
> when
> these three where slated for XESS 780, XESDD 920, and still
>
> present XHBCE FM 105.7 at higher elevation with greater
> power
> those Ensenada stations at XESS 1450, XESDD 920, and XHBCE
> FM
> 92.1, where originally going to be silenced, just a wild
> guess.

I believe that is what David E. said in the first place:

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=691821&Board=sandiego>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=691821&Board=sandiego</a>
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Re: XHBCE FM, XESS, XESDD. Just realized something about these three.

> > I realized something not to answer my own question but
> > when
> > these three where slated for XESS 780, XESDD 920, and
> still
> >
> > present XHBCE FM 105.7 at higher elevation with greater
> > power
> > those Ensenada stations at XESS 1450, XESDD 920, and XHBCE
>
> > FM
> > 92.1, where originally going to be silenced, just a wild
> > guess.
>
> I believe that is what David E. said in the first place:
>
htt> p://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=691821&Board=sandiego
>


I was in Ensenada last year,and those stations were on the air and they were broadcasting normally. Even 1450am had the games for the northern Sonora AA baseball games for the Ensenada Mariners,and the other ones were broadcasting with commercials. So i think they are still on the air today
 
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