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XM Regional News & Talk Channels

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Mikedond

Any guess where these news/talk stations will originate from?

Regional News, Talk & Music Channels

XM 134 - Northeast News & Talk
XM 135 - Southeast News & Talk
XM 136 - Middle America News & Talk
XM 137 - Midwest News & Talk
XM 138 - Northwest News & Talk
XM 139 - Southwest News & Talk
 
> Any guess where these news/talk stations will originate
> from?
>
> Regional News, Talk & Music Channels
>
> XM 134 - Northeast News & Talk
> XM 135 - Southeast News & Talk
> XM 136 - Middle America News & Talk
> XM 137 - Midwest News & Talk
> XM 138 - Northwest News & Talk
> XM 139 - Southwest News & Talk
>
In the Northeast, CC doesn't have a news/talk station that's 24/7 local without syndication. If they chose, say WHAM, Rochester, they'd have to fill in three hours for Rush and other syndicated programs. Maybe CC will patch together shows from its major talkers in each region. For example in the Northeast, use programs from WHAM/WGY/WHJJ/WHP.
 
> In the Northeast, CC doesn't have a news/talk station that's
> 24/7 local without syndication. If they chose, say WHAM,
> Rochester, they'd have to fill in three hours for Rush and
> other syndicated programs. Maybe CC will patch together
> shows from its major talkers in each region. For example in
> the Northeast, use programs from WHAM/WGY/WHJJ/WHP.

It is the only way they can possibly do this. CC has very few news/talk stations that don't carry Rush, and they usually carry at least one or two other syndicated shows (Glenn Beck, etc.). Rush and Beck and company won't be on these channels. After you get past WLW (already on XM) and KOA/Denver, the "all-local" CC stations end.

So, it'll be a patchwork of live and delayed local shows from the CC news/talkers, and some sort of patchwork of news from them as well.

Here, they'll be able to cherry pick from WTAM/Cleveland, WTVN/Columbus and perhaps WHAS/Louisville KY, depending on how they define the regional boundaries. Or maybe WPGB/Pittsburgh gets put into the mix in this region.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
As far as I can see, it's gonna have to be a mix of shows. Thanks to deregulation, there's too much syndicated talk out there, leaving most single stations unable to carry the load for a regional XM channel.

And how about this for a sad commentary? Just for laughs, I tried to put together a possible Southeast lineup, using CC's talk stations from Louisiana east to Virginia, from Florida north to Kentucky. That's 10 states (KY, TN, AL, MS, FL, GA, NC, SC, VA, WV), and I still can't flesh out a decent live lineup.

There are some stations that have local shows, but they're so small that I cannot imagine them getting national/regional play. And, in fact, I can't even fill the Rush Limbaugh slot or the overnight schedule at all.

So I've gotta figure that you're going to see (A) some new ClearChannel talent being developed just for XM, or (B) some syndicated shows bought or licensed by ClearChannel/Premier just to fill the XM lineup, or (C) XM shuffling its current offerings (e.g., George Noory, Paul Finebaum) to fill the lineup on the ClearChannel regional stations. I really don't know ... it's perplexing.

For giggles, here's one possible Southeast lineup:

5-9 a.m. -- A.M. Tampa Bay (from WFLA-Tampa, whose morning show actually is national in scope. Top-rated show in market. Would need name change, though.)

9 a.m.-noon -- Denny Schaffer (from WGST-Atlanta, who has national exposure as a Glenn Beck fill-in and a former rotating host of CC's "The Weekend" that's now anchored by Mike McConnell.)

Noon-3 p.m. -- Cannot fill it. (Once you eliminate the option of Glenn Beck on three-hour delay or Rush Limbaugh live, there are no same-day shows available.)

3-6 p.m. -- Todd Schnitt (from WFLA-Tampa, also heard on WIOD-Miami and WSC-Charleston. Has experience doing a regional show, which also once was heard on WOAI-San Antonio, WFLF-Orlando and WSRQ-Sarasota.)

6-9 p.m. -- Mac Watson (from WRVA-Richmond, on three-hour delay. National exposure as occasional fill-in for Glenn Beck.)

9 p.m.-midnight -- Mark Christopher (from WLAC-Nashville, on one-hour delay. Signal booms throughout Southeast, so I'd assume he could work. Never heard the show, but it's supposedly general variety.)

Midnight-4 a.m. -- The Hideout (from WTKS-Orlando, on five-hour delay. No idea what the show's like, but there isn't much else to fill out the lineup. Putting bawdy comedy on during overnights.)

4-5 a.m. -- Cannot fill it. (Probably need a replay of some show here.)

This is just total spitballing here. But it's also an indicator of just how bad things have gotten for local radio.






> > In the Northeast, CC doesn't have a news/talk station
> that's
> > 24/7 local without syndication. If they chose, say WHAM,
> > Rochester, they'd have to fill in three hours for Rush and
>
> > other syndicated programs. Maybe CC will patch together
> > shows from its major talkers in each region. For example
> in
> > the Northeast, use programs from WHAM/WGY/WHJJ/WHP.
>
> It is the only way they can possibly do this. CC has very
> few news/talk stations that don't carry Rush, and they
> usually carry at least one or two other syndicated shows
> (Glenn Beck, etc.). Rush and Beck and company won't be on
> these channels. After you get past WLW (already on XM) and
> KOA/Denver, the "all-local" CC stations end.
>
> So, it'll be a patchwork of live and delayed local shows
> from the CC news/talkers, and some sort of patchwork of news
> from them as well.
>
> Here, they'll be able to cherry pick from WTAM/Cleveland,
> WTVN/Columbus and perhaps WHAS/Louisville KY, depending on
> how they define the regional boundaries. Or maybe
> WPGB/Pittsburgh gets put into the mix in this region.
>
> -OA
>
 
Filling Out The Lineup - Midwest

> There are some stations that have local shows, but they're
> so small that I cannot imagine them getting
> national/regional play. And, in fact, I can't even fill the
> Rush Limbaugh slot or the overnight schedule at all.

Interesting take.

It appears CC will almost HAVE to delay another 9-noon show, if there is such a beast, into the Rush time slot.

Here, let's cherry pick from the possibilities at CC's likely Midwest stations. I'm just going to list the possible choices:

Stations:
WTAM/1100 Cleveland
WTVN/610 Columbus
WHAS/840 Louisville KY
WPGB/104.7 Pittsburgh (if they aren't in the Northeast lineup)
WSPD/1370 Toledo
WLW/700 Cincinnati, of course, is out of the picture due to its separate full-channel carriage on XM 173.

* 6-9 AM - Nearly all of the large market stations are running locally-focused morning news/info shows. It's a tossup here. I don't know the significance of running, say, WTAM's Wills and Coleman vs. WTVN's Bob Conners. A thought: this may be where they grab WPGB/Pittsburgh's regionally syndicated Jim Quinn and really turn "Quinn and Rose" into "America's Morning Show" via satellite carriage.

* 9-noon - WTVN, WPGB and WSPD are out, running Glenn Beck. WHAS runs local talker Francene (ex-KTRS/St. Louis), WTAM runs new mid-morning local talker Bob Frantz, but only until 11:30 (news/Harvey). I'm guessing Frantz gets the nod.

* Noon-3 - All 6 major stations now run Rush. (WTVN was running a one-hour local news block at noon, and delaying Rush.) Francene on delay? What else do they have?

* 3-6/7 - All the stations except for WPGB run local PM drive shows. (WPGB runs Hannity.) My guess - that WTAM's afternoon motormouth Mike Trivisonno wins out here, due to his previous placement on XM's "Buzz" channel back in the day. Another option? The more polished and popular John Corby (WTVN). I don't see them using WHAS' Terry Meiners (very local) or WSPD's Brian Wilson, though Wilson does have major market/satellite radio experience.

* Nights - Maybe WTVN's Joel Riley. WTAM's Kevin Keane does local sports, but is preempted many nights by the Indians/Cavs/etc., so he won't even be on most nights. WPGB runs a 2 hour local sports show. WHAS runs a three hour local sports show, but has local talker Joe Elliott 9-midnight...which might be a good post Joel Riley placement. (Joel's 6-9, WTVN runs Hannity 9-midnight.) This would have been a natural for Steve Cannon, who got dumped from WTVN's 10 PM-1 AM slot recently.

* Overnights - nobody's local, and there's really nothing that could be delayed into here. Do they just punt and put on Noory in simulcast with XM's Talk Radio (ex-Ask!) channel?

So, here's your guess lineup:

* AM Drive - "Quinn and Rose" (WPGB)
* Mid-Morning - Bob Frantz (WTAM)
* Mid-Afternoon - Francene (WHAS, delayed 3 hours)
* Afternoon Drive - Mike Trivisonno (WTAM)
* Early evening - Joel Riley (WTVN)
* Late evening - Joe Elliott (WHAS)
* Overnights - Coast to Coast AM

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Filling Out The Lineup - Midwest

> > There are some stations that have local shows, but they're
>
> > so small that I cannot imagine them getting
> > national/regional play. And, in fact, I can't even fill
> the
> > Rush Limbaugh slot or the overnight schedule at all.
>
> Interesting take.
>
> It appears CC will almost HAVE to delay another 9-noon show,
> if there is such a beast, into the Rush time slot.
>
> Here, let's cherry pick from the possibilities at CC's
> likely Midwest stations. I'm just going to list the
> possible choices:
>
> Stations:
> WTAM/1100 Cleveland
> WTVN/610 Columbus
> WHAS/840 Louisville KY
> WPGB/104.7 Pittsburgh (if they aren't in the Northeast
> lineup)
> WSPD/1370 Toledo
> WLW/700 Cincinnati, of course, is out of the picture due to
> its separate full-channel carriage on XM 173.
>
> * 6-9 AM - Nearly all of the large market stations are
> running locally-focused morning news/info shows. It's a
> tossup here. I don't know the significance of running, say,
> WTAM's Wills and Coleman vs. WTVN's Bob Conners. A thought:
> this may be where they grab WPGB/Pittsburgh's regionally
> syndicated Jim Quinn and really turn "Quinn and Rose" into
> "America's Morning Show" via satellite carriage.
>
> * 9-noon - WTVN, WPGB and WSPD are out, running Glenn Beck.
> WHAS runs local talker Francene (ex-KTRS/St. Louis), WTAM
> runs new mid-morning local talker Bob Frantz, but only until
> 11:30 (news/Harvey). I'm guessing Frantz gets the nod.
>
> * Noon-3 - All 6 major stations now run Rush. (WTVN was
> running a one-hour local news block at noon, and delaying
> Rush.) Francene on delay? What else do they have?
>
> * 3-6/7 - All the stations except for WPGB run local PM
> drive shows. (WPGB runs Hannity.) My guess - that WTAM's
> afternoon motormouth Mike Trivisonno wins out here, due to
> his previous placement on XM's "Buzz" channel back in the
> day. Another option? The more polished and popular John
> Corby (WTVN). I don't see them using WHAS' Terry Meiners
> (very local) or WSPD's Brian Wilson, though Wilson does have
> major market/satellite radio experience.
>
> * Nights - Maybe WTVN's Joel Riley. WTAM's Kevin Keane does
> local sports, but is preempted many nights by the
> Indians/Cavs/etc., so he won't even be on most nights. WPGB
> runs a 2 hour local sports show. WHAS runs a three hour
> local sports show, but has local talker Joe Elliott
> 9-midnight...which might be a good post Joel Riley
> placement. (Joel's 6-9, WTVN runs Hannity 9-midnight.)
> This would have been a natural for Steve Cannon, who got
> dumped from WTVN's 10 PM-1 AM slot recently.
>
> * Overnights - nobody's local, and there's really nothing
> that could be delayed into here. Do they just punt and put
> on Noory in simulcast with XM's Talk Radio (ex-Ask!)
> channel?
>
> So, here's your guess lineup:
>
> * AM Drive - "Quinn and Rose" (WPGB)
> * Mid-Morning - Bob Frantz (WTAM)
> * Mid-Afternoon - Francene (WHAS, delayed 3 hours)
> * Afternoon Drive - Mike Trivisonno (WTAM)
> * Early evening - Joel Riley (WTVN)
> * Late evening - Joe Elliott (WHAS)
> * Overnights - Coast to Coast AM
>
> -OA
>
my guess .. in house done to target audience. and since its clear channel they can get away with it. they would only be cometeing with themselves..<P ID="signature">______________
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> >
> Noon-3 p.m. -- Cannot fill it. (Once you eliminate the
> option of Glenn Beck on three-hour delay or Rush Limbaugh
> live, there are no same-day shows available.)
>
>



What about the Shannon Burke show out of Orlando? thought it was good and funny when I lived in Daytona...if it's still on?
 
> > >
> > Noon-3 p.m. -- Cannot fill it. (Once you eliminate the
> > option of Glenn Beck on three-hour delay or Rush Limbaugh
> > live, there are no same-day shows available.)
> >
> >
>
>
>
> What about the Shannon Burke show out of Orlando? thought
> it was good and funny when I lived in Daytona...if it's
> still on?
>

You're right. Forgot about him doing middays on WTKS -- I guess I was thinking he was still doing mornings on WFLF. He's on 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Clip an hour off the front end and he fits the hole perfectly.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tampalistener on 03/30/06 09:09 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Noting that "Ask?" goes away...

Noting that the "Ask?" channel which has previously been described as a "service of Clear Channel on XM" is being renamed "TALKRADIO" on April 17, it makes me think that some/all of the Clear Channel programming currently on Ask? might be relocated to various places within the "Regional News/Talk" lineup. I think this would be sort of a waste of bandwidth, but if CC thinks they can make more money by being able to sell regionally targeted ads on national shows, perhaps it will work.

(This may also be a gradual transition, as old contracts expire and new ones are established. Shows could move away from Ask? one by one. It may also have to do with the gradual rollout of the regional NT channels.)

My questions:
1. If, in fact, (some of) the shows currently on Ask? are leaving/moving to another channel, shouldn't XM be telling us this already? This is what makes me think nothing may indeed leave on 4/17, but instead over the next couple months.
2. Is XM really going to change a channel name to the extremely bland TALKRADIO and leave it that way? If so, what will they program this station with, if current shows leave?
 
Re: Noting that "Ask?" goes away...

> Noting that the "Ask?" channel which has previously been
> described as a "service of Clear Channel on XM" is being
> renamed "TALKRADIO" on April 17, it makes me think that
> some/all of the Clear Channel programming currently on Ask?
> might be relocated to various places within the "Regional
> News/Talk" lineup.

It's actually, or was actually, "Ask!" with an exclamation point...

Do you have any indication that Clear Channel will no longer be involved, aside from the name change?

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Noting that "Ask?" goes away...

> Noting that the "Ask?" channel which has previously been
> described as a "service of Clear Channel on XM" is being
> renamed "TALKRADIO" on April 17, it makes me think that
> some/all of the Clear Channel programming currently on Ask?
> might be relocated to various places within the "Regional
> News/Talk" lineup. I think this would be sort of a waste of
> bandwidth, but if CC thinks they can make more money by
> being able to sell regionally targeted ads on national
> shows, perhaps it will work.
>
> (This may also be a gradual transition, as old contracts
> expire and new ones are established. Shows could move away
> from Ask? one by one. It may also have to do with the
> gradual rollout of the regional NT channels.)
>
> My questions:
> 1. If, in fact, (some of) the shows currently on Ask? are
> leaving/moving to another channel, shouldn't XM be telling
> us this already? This is what makes me think nothing may
> indeed leave on 4/17, but instead over the next couple
> months.
> 2. Is XM really going to change a channel name to the
> extremely bland TALKRADIO and leave it that way? If so, what
> will they program this station with, if current shows leave?
>
lineup.xmradio.com
XM 165 Ask becomes Talk Radio

<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by smashedcd on 04/01/06 04:42 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Noting that "Ask?" goes away...

> Do you have any indication that Clear Channel will no longer
> be involved, aside from the name change?
>
> -OA

Not particularly, just got to thinking about it, and found it odd that XM would drop a channel name that could be a servicemark/trademark of Clear Channel and replace it with a very bland name like TALKRADIO at the same as CC is reasserting its rights to commercials and to its own channels for its own content.

My assumption based on XM's past actions is that if they were planning to keep the channel around, they'd probably pick a better name than they did. "The Fish" is trademarked by Salem (IIRC), but XM didn't rename XM 32 "Christian Pop" or "Positive Hits" or something bland, but instead made some attempt at originality by renaming XM 32 "The Message".

Certainly, this could also indicate that they do plan to continue programming XM 165 with talk, but couldn't come up with a better name yet.

I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens like everyone else.
 
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