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bandman
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Do you think the merger of XM and Serius will hurt local radio?
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Not sure, but the merger of XM and SIRIUS could.
bandman said:
Hardly any chance at all. Growth in subscriptions has flattened out over the past year, and the total number of satellite radio subscribers is still far below the weekly cume audience of ONE New York City radio station.
The two top-rated satellite channels (Sirius' Howard Stern 100 and XM's Top 20 on 20) have a combined cume rating of 0.91. Total cume ratings for each service are less than 5.
Satellite radio is NO threat to local radio, despite the whinings of the NAB.
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jane grant
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how can you damage something that has already damaged itself beyond repair?
Moot point. Radio shoots itself in the foot daily. Both RKO and Greater Media should've given Howie the boot and put something listenable on the air.
That they fight over a buffoon speaks volumes about how "serius" ...serious they are ...siriusly now...
Moot point. Radio shoots itself in the foot daily. Both RKO and Greater Media should've given Howie the boot and put something listenable on the air.
That they fight over a buffoon speaks volumes about how "serius" ...serious they are ...siriusly now...
jane grant said:
Yeah, that would be a brilliant manuever, all right. Kick to the curb a show that draws both ratings and revenue. Why didn't I think of that?
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jane grant
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My point is that if they had a farm team you could have a shut-out pitcher like that little cutey the Red Sox have that pitched the no-hitter, or keep boring the public with a worn out Pedro & Roger Clemm Clemm
That RKO and Greater Media don't have a farm team and can give us only
third stringers like michelle what's her face and avi graham and michael nelson,
well, they are so desperate for pedro with arm falling off (Carr)
Pedro has ratings and revenue, but what would you prefer, Dumber?
Something new and shiny or something old and crusty. Old and crusty is what they give you. So much for "talented" Jason & Julie...
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That RKO and Greater Media don't have a farm team and can give us only
third stringers like michelle what's her face and avi graham and michael nelson,
well, they are so desperate for pedro with arm falling off (Carr)
Pedro has ratings and revenue, but what would you prefer, Dumber?
Something new and shiny or something old and crusty. Old and crusty is what they give you. So much for "talented" Jason & Julie...
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jane grant said:
What you call "old and crusty" has another name: something that works. And one does not break that which is not broken.
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rapking
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Boston Radio dial is Awful ! Bringin' Back Babe Ruth ( Imus ) Does not Help .jane grant said:
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Mickey37
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dumber than a box of hair said:
Jane doesn't like Howie Carr or Jay Severin, and seems to think that because of that, there are legions of like-minded listeners, aching for change.
If that were true, Greater Media and Entercomm would not have had this brou-ha-ha over Howie. Love him or don't, the guy sells ads. Ditto for Severin.
Botom line - Each of them is good for Boston radio.
As far as XM and Sirius, they seem to be far less of a threat than originally feared by old school radio companies. That doesn't necessarily mean terresterial radio is better, but people aren't being given much of a reason to shell out the bucks for satellite. I miss listening to Howard, but I won't pay to hear him.
raccoonradio said:
Well, it sounds like Radio One has become so negligent of WILD lately that they've been often leaving a dead carrier on air on 1090 at night, which not only interferes with WBAL's night signal in metro Boston, but is also illegal...
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rapking
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I have never seen a Radio Group Like Dumba$$ Radio One , Whom want Big Bucks for WILD-AM and trashing the Station at the same time . That like taking a hammer and Smashing your old Datson, and then want to sell it, like its a brand new BMW .Eli Polonsky said:
Although I don't think that sat radio will do big damage right now, I think down the road it may have an impact. I got Sirius over 2 years ago as a gift so that I could listen to Football games on Sundays. At the time I still listened to Boston music stations such as WZLK, WFNK, WMFO, & WMBR. I also would listened to WEEI to get my share of sports talk. However, as I kept getting more and more tired of listening to the same sounding music on the FM dial, I started to discover the different music channels on Sirius. (Underground Garage, First Wave, 60s, Gold...etc. etc.) I then started to tune out FM stations. You can only deal with a 5-10 minute commercial block for so long. The only time I now listen to them is when there might be a particular show on that I enjoy. (Lost and Found on WMBR) And that is only if I am near the radio at that time. I think that people will still listen to radio but is their radio on just for some background noise or are they really listening to the station and enjoying the music being played?
I've also begun to stop listening to EEI in the mornings and listen to Mike and Mike (I can't get 890 all the time on radio) because I can't stand listening to the complaining on EEI in the morning. So as I said it might not happen overnight, but with the way PDs are programming their stations (Christmas music 5 weeks before Christmas!) I think that people will start to tune out.
If Sirius and XM were smart, they would practically give the radios away and just charge for the subscription. Then I think radio would be in big trouble.
I've also begun to stop listening to EEI in the mornings and listen to Mike and Mike (I can't get 890 all the time on radio) because I can't stand listening to the complaining on EEI in the morning. So as I said it might not happen overnight, but with the way PDs are programming their stations (Christmas music 5 weeks before Christmas!) I think that people will start to tune out.
If Sirius and XM were smart, they would practically give the radios away and just charge for the subscription. Then I think radio would be in big trouble.
I think satellite radio captured listeners who had already given up on commercial FM radio, so its growth has not entirely come at the expense of broadcast stations. Before getting XM, I listened to the Joanne Doody version of WXRV mostly, but once I had seventy music channels, I realized how shallow their playlist had become after she left.
About the only broadcast radio I listen to these days are WBZ for news and WGAM/WEIM/WCRN for the Red Sox. Even then, there are areas that don't get the Sox well, so it's over to XM for that too.
Paul
About the only broadcast radio I listen to these days are WBZ for news and WGAM/WEIM/WCRN for the Red Sox. Even then, there are areas that don't get the Sox well, so it's over to XM for that too.
Paul
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argytunes
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I agree with Jane...and Paul R. Anderson.
If the local stations aren't interested in offering something more diversified than Howie Carr or Don Imus...the only choices listeners have are satellite, their cd's or (forgive me) their LPS!
argytunes
If the local stations aren't interested in offering something more diversified than Howie Carr or Don Imus...the only choices listeners have are satellite, their cd's or (forgive me) their LPS!
argytunes
By the way Greater Media is offering its listeners a chance to hear classic country--via the HD2 signal
of WKLB. I don't have an HD radio yet but I recorded some of the stream via their site. It was limited
pretty much to 70s, 80s, some 90s with the occasional pre-70s song ("It Don't Hurt Anymore") and yeah,
some 60s too...Some of it was kinda AC-ish tunes. There were some songs that crossed over to the
pop charts: Thank God I'm a Country Boy, Wildfire, etc.
Now I'm guessing this is just a problem with their stream but in many songs it seemed to speed up
and then go back to normal, almost like a CD player that needed a good cleaning (it would start to
skip over parts of songs then you'd hear dead air. Probably the stream. Probably not the mp3 Player
I used to hear it back). Also the automation (I'm guessing it was automation) could be clumsy:
a tender ballad would be ending but during its last 25 seconds it would go into something much more
uptempo like Thank God I'm a Country Boy and it sounded horrible. But what do you want for
nothing, a rubber biscuit? As the Chips, and later The Blues Brothers, would say. Hopefully the
former problem wouldn't show up on an actual HD radio but the latter just may.
"No commercials" either...
So yeah they do offer you more--with an HD radio or via Web
of WKLB. I don't have an HD radio yet but I recorded some of the stream via their site. It was limited
pretty much to 70s, 80s, some 90s with the occasional pre-70s song ("It Don't Hurt Anymore") and yeah,
some 60s too...Some of it was kinda AC-ish tunes. There were some songs that crossed over to the
pop charts: Thank God I'm a Country Boy, Wildfire, etc.
Now I'm guessing this is just a problem with their stream but in many songs it seemed to speed up
and then go back to normal, almost like a CD player that needed a good cleaning (it would start to
skip over parts of songs then you'd hear dead air. Probably the stream. Probably not the mp3 Player
I used to hear it back). Also the automation (I'm guessing it was automation) could be clumsy:
a tender ballad would be ending but during its last 25 seconds it would go into something much more
uptempo like Thank God I'm a Country Boy and it sounded horrible. But what do you want for
nothing, a rubber biscuit? As the Chips, and later The Blues Brothers, would say. Hopefully the
former problem wouldn't show up on an actual HD radio but the latter just may.
"No commercials" either...
So yeah they do offer you more--with an HD radio or via Web
raccoonradio said:
I've listened to WKLB HD-2 on the air and have not heard that happen. Could be a stream-only problem.
raccoonradio said:
Commercial radio usually mixes up the song tempos. They don't want to play too many slows, or fasts, in a row because they want a cross-section of listeners, and they don't want to turn off listeners who might want more of one tempo or the other. They don't usually string one tempo of songs back to back (as a non-comm might for the "flow"), unless it's on some specialty show or format.
However, such segues are less jarring on the main channels of the stations because they have elements to separate the songs that can ease the transition, such as slow-to-fast (or vice versa) jingles or liners, or a live DJ who can come out of a fast song uptempo and then modulate his energy down for a slow intro into a ballad (or vice-versa). HD 2 channels don't have live DJ's, or much production to insert between songs, yet.
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argytunes
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shhhh---ELI! :
Better not talk too loudly (about live d.j's) before some operations manager takes a non-jock format and attempts to bastardize it with a no-talent card reader jock!
argytunes
Better not talk too loudly (about live d.j's) before some operations manager takes a non-jock format and attempts to bastardize it with a no-talent card reader jock!
argytunes
argytunes said:shhhh---ELI! :
Better not talk too loudly (about live d.j's) before some operations manager takes a non-jock format and attempts to bastardize it with a no-talent card reader jock!
I'll do it, if they pay well enough... ;D
yes that may be a stream only problem.
WKLB-HD2 does have occasional liners saying who they are, etc but no jingles.
The transitional jingles can work out well--a fast song can have a jingle that starts off
quickly then slows down and eases listeners into it.
WKLB-HD2 does have occasional liners saying who they are, etc but no jingles.
The transitional jingles can work out well--a fast song can have a jingle that starts off
quickly then slows down and eases listeners into it.
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FPB
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I think that satalite radio is a way off from seriously impacting regular radio, but that may change over time.
The question is, what will the merger do for the fledgling industry? Is the merger just one step as satalite matures, with a new company coming in to create competition? Will the merger discourage such new companies?
And, of course, there is the question of radio variety. When gate-keepers don't have competition to worry about, they could do whatever they want to allow some formats to success and others to fail.
The question is, what will the merger do for the fledgling industry? Is the merger just one step as satalite matures, with a new company coming in to create competition? Will the merger discourage such new companies?
And, of course, there is the question of radio variety. When gate-keepers don't have competition to worry about, they could do whatever they want to allow some formats to success and others to fail.
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