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XM vs. IPOD (Why is it Failing?)

As we check out the alarming declining stocks and stagnation of subscribers to satellite radio...you might think that XM and Sirius is on it's last leg. Even Michael Savage made his negative prediction on Satellite radio. And as much as I want to only know and still believe that this has been a savior from terrestrial controlled playlists along with being still the greatest recent invention of technology....I'm wondering myself if it's worth investing to upgrade to an Inno.
But what's been kicking satellite's ass...it's not really terrestrial which has been also on the decline, or the Internet which is growing but still in it's infancy........Is it that MP 3 player called the IPOD?
So I question why..what makes the MP 3 more efficient then XM/Sirius. So I compared advantages and disadvantages between the Inno or portable receiver compared to the what Apple/San Disk,... 2 of the top MP 3 players put out in the market.

Okay ...the IPOD...it's advantages

1. It's thinner and more compatible. It fits in your shirt pocket. Satellite doesn't.
2. You can add photos, and top models deliver video or movies, plus it has some features like voice recorder (note to self) if you like talking to yourself, download audio books or any files that you have in your documents. (not that their all going to work.) And with a Satellite receiver you can't.
3. 10,000 songs at 128K that you paid for from I-Tunes or from your past CD collection.
4. No $12.95 or more a month.
5. Reception is there at all times where there is no signal to worry about. You can use it on an airplane if you can afford it.

Now...It's Disadvantages

1.New music ...it isn't free. Especially if your stuck with I Tunes. Apples worst then Sony when it comes to proprieties.
2.If you have no more money to spend after you shelled out 250.00 for 30GB...your stuck with same music you purchased in the past...unless your friends lend you some tunes. And on a Zune...that last only 3 plays then...Pooof!
3. If you don't back up your files.....and something burns out.....Pooof!... again. Your whole life savings are gone!
5 against 3 ...not to bad. As long as you don't fall into the 3 category.

Now Satellite (XM/Sirius advantages.)

1. More channels then you need...175! Most of us don't listen to all of them. But they cover every listeners genre needs. They actually over pleased.
2. More entertainment and selection then an IPOD/MP3 player. Every hit, every decade ever played, all the info from stocks, 30 major city traffic reports, almost all the talk shows, old time radio, comedy channels, network radio versions and anything that terrestrial ever delivered in the past , and what it can't deliver today. Even special event concerts, major sports games and shows from every major team...that alone.... 12.95 it's a steal.
3. 10 hours of recorded music or programs that come from XM. I think that maybe as much or more then 10000 tunes you can stick on an IPOD depending how it's decoded and above standard GBs.
4. The latest new releases automatically presented to you from today's current formats whether it's Top 20, or Country. It's 12.95 not a .99-1.99 a song. That adds up to the same or a whole alot more a month depending how much you have to spend to keep it current.
5. If you don't like downloading...it's already programmed for you no matter what the format.
6. You can't pick up Howard Stern on an IPOD/MP3. (Well that's 6)

Satellites Disadvantages.......

1. Even the Inno is bigger and bulky compared to most MPs player. I wouldn't try to stick it in my shirt pocket.
2. You don't own the programming. You can't download the recorded programming. (Yes you can....there's a certain third party unit for 40-50.00 dollars that can do it for those that know about it.) But I don't want to promote that'll throw this off topic.
3. People hate paying 12.95 for radio, but will pay up to 100.00 a month for cable TV to watch Law and Order and Seinfeld 12 times a day. I don't get it.
4. Signal problems...especially in the summertime and alot of dead spots like under bridges and densed trees.
5. sound quality.....that could be their major F*** up. They kept adding too many channels and the audio became more compressed within their allocated frequency bandwidth. Lack of depth...especially in the car. I would have settled for less channels and wider seperation.
6.Access like the gym, bike or hike trail, and the woods.
7.Poor boom boxes (mainly for XM) Lansing did a better for Sirius boom boxes as far as quality.
Ok....6 vs. 7....not bad, but still ...what XM and Sirius offer compared to the MP3 player, like the decade channels, baseball, their programming has been almost excellent, and it's sad that it's fate may come. So if it fails ....I'll wonder why is there such a big gap as far as popularity to the MP3? Is it the marketing? Is it the lack of knowledge of the public of what satellite radio is? Poor car sales? , Price of Gas for cruising and weekend trips? And why people only depend on XM for the car and not for the home?
I own both....but I use the satellite a whole lot more...because i will always get fresh programming no matter what? Well if satellite goes ....there's still the Internet and soon WIFI.
 
you bring up many good points, but like in any comparison of products each has its advantages and disadvantates. the trick is to sell the advantages very effectively, such as satellite radio's convenience, attachment to the NOW (news, talk, etc.), brand names, etc. i have an ipod, and i gotta tell you it's a nuisance after work when i just want to drive home listening to some particular kind of music, not any special song. pushing a button on XM gets it done. i'm getting tired of the ipod. with XM, no downloading hassles, setting up, you know what all you have to go through. i'm a busy person who doesn't really have time for all of that.

really, i've had the ipod for about a year now, and to me it's just an updated cassette recorder-player no matter what kind of pretty paper they wrap it in.
 
It is a good unit...but It's useless if the IPOD/ and other separate MP3 player's overtake the subscribers from going to satellite radio. I would like to know if the INNO would be useful until at least 2010.
 
I have an XM receiver (XPress RC) and an iPoc Nano. I don't listen to my iPod nearly as much as I used to simply because I have variety at my fingertips with XM, not to mention I can pick up programming Fox News and the like. There's still stuff on my iPod that I like (a couple of albums that I like to listen to) but I maybe only listen to it 10% of the time. XM far outweighs the iPod.
 
XM is simply better than a MP3 or other player. Whether it was my 10 disk changer, Creative ZEN, or the IPOD, they were just a back-up when I couldn't get (or couldn't stand) FM. No matter how creative you are, you can't surprise yourself with your own programming. :p Since I got XM, I just don't use the others unless the XM isn't available. And an INNO solves that problem...

Sat radio, especially XM, has what used to make radio cool, but doesn't have the road trip limitations. ;D
 
failing for this simple reason:

either, ya have bumble gum,girl and her friends,
who would listen to the chr-station, or (xm-equilevent xm20)
but...dont have xm for that, just listen to the chr station.
or, have that music, on their ipod.

introduced to new music, via xm..."wow" cool / but
its not ( what im told to like)...until, the chr station,
picks it up, then MTV says it's cool.

>
other (extreme) ya have too much,
(a) of the same thing...w/ only*slight variance.
meaning, condense a few of the AC channels, and
make one excellent one, possibly, eliminating the "extra"
channels to make better sound quality.

(although)even know im not a fan, it is awesome
to have "every era" of jazz/and every niche format of country.
(for example)...

but, the other problem - ya have some one who wants xm-
but, finds they only like the same 'few' channels, and most
likely, if its classic rock, the terrestial radio is doing
a "good enough" job / cancel subscription.

or, the indie-rock fans, that want (say xmu) to
play their music...well, its only one channel.
and become dis-satisfied(?sp). since it is a
radio-format,w/rotation, ironically, music that
wont see commercial FM until its polished and ready,
is "over played" on xm...overPlayed, to its target audience
but still over played.

take bpm, i luv them!
but...they have ONE dance channel, for the current dance scene,
*minus, a few hours on chrome83,sunday nites, to cater to an older audience,
anyways,

ONE DANCE Channel:
i will NOT listen when its addiction ( just too steady of a beat),
now, some one who luvs that ! * probably, doesnt like the
3:35-min..radio-ready/friendly dance hit.
also:
after 2 solid weeks of bpm, i stop listening, for about a week.
its the same (yes, its dance music that wont even be close
to being on any station, on the FM dial, anywhere in the US),
but...its 'overPLayed'
 
I really only listen to BPM during the mix shows. That goes for any dance channel. I have a Inno and it is great but I did get a new 80 GB iPod Classic which is way better than my 4G 20 GB iPod. I think the iPod is great for podcasts. That is what I mainly use it for. I can download cool tech podcasts and dance mixshow podcasts for free. As for putting your own music. I have music on there that is a few years old but it does get stale and it is too expensive and much of a hassle to get new music. That is when I use my Inno but for podcasts the iPod is great.
 
But you can record XM programs on the built -in hard drive.....and store it on there. But the disadvantage is to download the xm programming disk to a Real player or to record from there. And then download it to the IPOD, it won't work. You can only use XM 's online player to listen, but can't record to download off there.
(Like I mention...there is a unit that does that out of Canada I believe can perform ...but I how good is it? I don't know.)
 
starbucks, your lucky day !!

wow, ya caught my attn, twice today : )

ya can record off the xm-feed/listen live,online..

play it, as if u just wanted to enjoy it,
and, then turn on your cool-edit software,
sony audio forge, (etc), and, as they say,

"Roll tape"
 
Now this is a really good thread. Lots of different views on the subject.

I haven't noticed any reception problems with XM either on the road or in the house. It doesn't work in the office though. For me the sound quality is my main gripe. I agree with whoever said many of the channels put the fun in that radio used to have.

The iPod is all about control. What you want to hear when you want to hear it. If I want to be surprised there is always shuffle. It makes for some real train wrecks though. Thankfully you can do a shuffle inside a playlist and it sounds good.

I had a lot of tunes from my CD collection (I rarely touch a CD anymore) plus Napster when it was free. I have also bought a lot of songs from iTunes. Right now the list is around 5,000 so I think I'm covered.

Satellite is good for finding new songs and listening to other programming like news, talk, comedy, drama and old radio shows. If only radio had such variety. I have found stations even want their HD-2 channels to be a reflection of what they consider to be "their brand" That limits many unusual formats which could be very interesting. I don't think listeners are as aware of or care as much about a station's branding than the stations do. They are just searching for something to listen to.
 
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