Y not?

[Herb999]

With what they did to get 97.5 into the city, why can't we put a small station with the coverage of 103.9 on 94.9?

94.7 far enough away in Deleware.(103.7:103.9)

95.1 far enough away in Allentown, AC, and Baltimore (103.9:104.1)

94.5 same distance way on 94.9 as 94.1.

There is no reason.

 

[Rockin Rob]

Perhaps some of the resident engineer types can jump in here, but it is my understanding the FCC isn't issuing those types of licenses anymore (Class A?). I could be wrong.

 

[radioskeptic]

I don't know how Nassau ever got 97.5 transferred to Burlington, with its stick in Philly, when Millenium has a 50-kw Class B licensed to Millville, NJ, though they moved the stick to somewhere around Tuckahoe to get better coverage at the shore. That's WAAAAYYYY below the minimum separation for first-adjacent Class B's!

Or are they having 97.5 downgraded to a Class A, as "New Jerssey Radio Partners LLC" (a group of reverse carpetbaggers from the South) did with WSNJ-FM so that they could move it from Bridgeton to Pennsauken before they sold it to Radio One for $35,000,000? ("NJRP" had only paid $20,000,000 for WSNJ-FM!)

Besides, WOGL is already on 98.1 -- and there aren't supposed to be third-adjacents in the same city!

So don't give up hope. This latest move-in shows us that the FCC doesn't always play by its own rules!

 

[Jack Ruby]

Perhaps some of the resident engineer types can jump in here, but it is my understanding the FCC isn't issuing those types of licenses anymore (Class A?). I could be wrong.

I have never heard that licenses for new Class A stations, (6000 watts/3000 watts) had been discontinued...

 

[eatspaste]

Besides, WOGL is already on 98.1 -- and there aren't supposed to be third-adjacents in the same city!
So don't give up hope. This latest move-in shows us that the FCC doesn't always play by its own rules!

(A) The FCC plays 100% by its own rules. You obviously don't know how this works.

(B) Third adj's in the same city: yes and no. No under current rules, yes under grandfathered rules.

97.5/Trenton is a pre-1964 allocation, it doesn't have to meet the rules as if it was a brand new frequency (or one from the past 40 years). The only stations WTHK has to protect (i.e. "not increase interference to") are WALK-FM, WXKW, and WRVV. This patern does just that:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplo...=0.742&p330=0.933&p340=1.000&p350=1.000&p360=

The huge null towards the west keeps it away from WRVV/Harrisburg and the huge SE null keeps it away from WXKW/Millville. Tens of millions of dollars in the Greater Media/Nassau transaction wouldn't have been spent, along with huge sums of money to engineering firms and lawyers and what not, if this wasn't 100% legit.

The whole third adj. thing is really a non-issue anyway. Next time you're down the shore, drive past the WFPG tower in Atlantic City and 97.3 comes in just fine (and vice versa in Corbin City). Those are two 50kw stations second adj. to each other in the same county. 98.1 / 97.5 in Philadelphia will be a non-issue (atleast without HD in the picture!) and the 97.1 translator will be fine, too.

 

[eatspaste]

With what they did to get 97.5 into the city, why can't we put a small station with the coverage of 103.9 on 94.9?

There is no reason.

Here are your reasons for no 94.9 in Philadelphia. (assume a small margain of error either way)

First, 94.9 WRSD/Folsom PA would have to go off the air, which as a class-D is not a problem.

You need to be +/- 43 miles from 94.5 WDAC/Lancaster (OK) and 94.5 WPST/Trenton (21 miles away).

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 94.7 WFME/Newark (OK) and 94.7 WRDX/Dover (60 miles away).

You need to be +/- 111 miles from 94.9 WRBT/Harrisburg (98 miles away).

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 95.1 WZZO/Allentown (44 miles away), 95.1 WAYV/Atlantic City (57 miles away), and 95.1 WRBS/Baltimore (OK).

For a 94.9A to work in Philadelphia, you'll need to either buy all of the stations its short-spaced with and take them off the air, or work out agreements with all of these owners to change their signals to pull all of them away from Philadelphia.

 

[Herb999]

"You need to be +/- 43 miles from 94.5 WDAC/Lancaster (OK) and 94.5 WPST/Trenton (21 miles away)."

94.1 wysp is just as far as 94.9 is from 94.5 on the dial

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 94.7 WFME/Newark (OK) and 94.7 WRDX/Dover (60 miles away).

What about 103.9, isn't it closer than 70 miles from wmgm? what about the 103.7 country station in Delaware?

You need to be +/- 111 miles from 94.9 WRBT/Harrisburg (98 miles away).

Wbeb and wcbs, both on 101.1 are about 80 miles from each other.

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 95.1 WZZO/Allentown (44 miles away), 95.1 WAYV/Atlantic City (57 miles away), and 95.1 WRBS/Baltimore (OK).

Again look at 98.9 wusl and 99.1 wawz, they are not 70 miles. 103.9 wppz and 103.7 wmgm are not 70 miles either.


I guess some palm would need some greasin' to make this work. Thanks for the response, but if you could tell me why all of these answers are not legit please let me know.

 

[eatspaste]

"You need to be +/- 43 miles from 94.5 WDAC/Lancaster (OK) and 94.5 WPST/Trenton (21 miles away)."

94.1 wysp is just as far as 94.9 is from 94.5 on the dial

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 94.7 WFME/Newark (OK) and 94.7 WRDX/Dover (60 miles away).

What about 103.9, isn't it closer than 70 miles from wmgm? what about the 103.7 country station in Delaware?

You need to be +/- 111 miles from 94.9 WRBT/Harrisburg (98 miles away).

Wbeb and wcbs, both on 101.1 are about 80 miles from each other.

You need to be +/- 70 miles from 95.1 WZZO/Allentown (44 miles away), 95.1 WAYV/Atlantic City (57 miles away), and 95.1 WRBS/Baltimore (OK).

Again look at 98.9 wusl and 99.1 wawz, they are not 70 miles. 103.9 wppz and 103.7 wmgm are not 70 miles either.


I guess some palm would need some greasin' to make this work. Thanks for the response, but if you could tell me why all of these answers are not legit please let me know.

THERE IS NO PALM GREASING! How hard is this to explain? 94.9A in Philadelphia would be a BRAND NEW ALLOCATION and would have to meet TODAY'S spacing standards. There's no palm greasing! The FCC wouldn't allow it, plain and simple. You could pay off every FCC board member and it still wouldn't work. If someone tried to shoehorn a 94.9A in Philadelphia (after paying off EVERYONE at the FCC), Nassau would block it (based on today's standards) and win, and Clear Channel would block it (based on today's standards) and win. It doesn't matter how far away Power 99 is to WAWZ today - WAWZ was on the air back in 1954, WUSL in 1961. 94.9 in Philly doesn't work, plain and simple.

 

[JoJoMorales]

Here's a few scenarios I've always wondered about.

Could ZZO work if it moved to 94.9 and moved into Philly with a new COL as a directional signal?

Could 103.9 Jenkintown swap freq's and power with 103.9 AC to become a class b, D or non-D?

Could WTHK and WXKW swap freq's and give THK a better signal over philly, assuming after the swap XKW could move closer to AC?

Could 107.9 move back to 107.7 and upgrade back to a B if 107.5 in Boyertown moved down to 107.3 and/or lowered power/went directional?

I LOVE radio chess! Don't you?

 

[Rockin Rob]

Could 103.9 Jenkintown swap freq's and power with 103.9 AC to become a class b, D or non-D?

First off, WMGM is on 103.7 and is a 50K. A swap with 103.7 wouldn't work. You'd have to protect 103.9 in Ocean City, MD. Besides, why would MGM want to DOWNGRADE their booming signal? Not trying to be nasty, it just wouldn't work.