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Yet *ANOTHER* terrible move by the Eagle

What are you even talking about? Yes, you CAN and SHOULD nit pick every single song.
Why are you here?

There is no list of songs that will ever make everyone happy. This is why rock radio is in the state it's in. They tried to make everyone happy by playing currents. That pissed off the older listeners. So they brought back the old stuff, and that pissed off the younger listeners. It's a circular argument that ends up at the bottom.

If people want more music, there's an easy way to get it: Buy a subscription to Pandora or Spotify, and program your own station. That way the person you complain to is yourself. I think a lot of people have already done that.
 
There is no list of songs that will ever make everyone happy. This is why rock radio is in the state it's in. They tried to make everyone happy by playing currents. That pissed off the older listeners. So they brought back the old stuff, and that pissed off the younger listeners. It's a circular argument that ends up at the bottom.

If people want more music, there's an easy way to get it: Buy a subscription to Pandora or Spotify, and program your own station. That way the person you complain to is yourself. I think a lot of people have already done that.
I honestly think the lines between Alternative and Active Rock want to blur much like they did in much of the 90’s and 00’s, with Alt playing some softer/quirkier fare and Active Rock playing some truly violent metal as the points of differentiation. The most successful Active Rock or Alternative stations are those playing a selection from both formats. WIYY in Baltimore, KPNT in St. Louis, and WXDX in Pittsburgh, to name a few. WMMR in Philly started playing some Alt too.

I bet a dozen donuts that neither Active Rock or Alternative programmers want to go back to that. But I think it’s something they’re going to have to do, because the only stations doing well are playing “the best of both”.

Hell, the beginning of the end for KEGL was KVIL deploying a “diet” version of that “best of both” strategy, as KVIL is still reluctant to touch Active currents that haven’t crossed to Alt. But KVIL has several Active/Alternative crossover golds in rotation and they do play Active Rock currents that crossed to Alternative, and that’s all they needed to bring KEGL to its knees.

That doesn’t sound like to me that the music as a whole is the problem. It’s playing the wrong music.
 
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I'm sorry but you're completely wrong.

If you're in a market that has a CLASSIC ROCK station and an ALTERNATIVE station - and you're the HERITAGE ROCK STATION, why would you play mostly classic rock and alternative music? And on top of THAT, go talk for 6 or 7 hours a day. And not MAN talk, but talk about wine, country music, what it's like to hike in Scotland, and the list could go on for hours.

What am I missing, that you're missing?
 
If you're in a market that has a CLASSIC ROCK station and an ALTERNATIVE station - and you're the HERITAGE ROCK STATION, why would you play mostly classic rock and alternative music?
What am I missing, that you're missing?

Read the post above yours. Playing more music is not going to be the solution for iHeart in Dallas. There isn't enough rock music that will attract a big enough audience. That audience has already found what they want somewhere else.
 
That doesn’t sound like to me that the music as a whole is the problem. It’s playing the wrong music.

You've said that in a lot of threads and the problem is there is no "right music." I think you've laid out the situation in Dallas well, and why KEGL is in the situation they're in.

Radio is not in the music transmission business. Radio needs to provide something other than music. Most of the successful rock stations you list have successful morning shows that are primarily talk shows. Those morning shows are the reason those stations are getting ratings. What is KPNT without Rizzuto? What is WMMR without Preston & Steve? And what is the main element of those shows? It's not music.
 
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You've said that in a lot of threads and the problem is there is no "right music." I think you've laid out the situation in Dallas well, and why KEGL is in the situation they're in.

Radio is not in the music transmission business. Radio needs to provide something other than music. Most of the successful rock stations you list have successful morning shows that are primarily talk shows. Those morning shows are the reason those stations are getting ratings. What is KPNT without Rizzuto? What is WMMR without Preston & Steve? And what is the main element of those shows? It's not music.
I think you're right! An excellent morning show, talk-driven or not, is a major boon to any radio station, music or no music. I remember back when WKQX (aka Q101) foolishly booted Mancow in 2005, and it backfired to the point where it eventually killed the station because it turned out nobody in Chicago liked what Q101 was playing. A last-ditch effort to KPNT-ize the station did revive the ratings to a degree but it was too little too late, and it got sold and flipped to talk (and that didn't work out well, but that's another story for another day).

If the music selection proves to be a good fit for the market and for the audience, then the music and the morning show work hand in hand to give the station sky-high ratings. If the morning show is crap but the music is good, or the morning show is excellent but the music is crap, all that happens is some schizophrenic ratings that will keep the station alive but keep growth and listeners stagnant.

I think you discount what KPNT and WMMR play for the other 13-14 hours of Nielsen tracking, however. If the music was crap I don't think KPNT and WMMR would have the ratings they have now. Hell, back in 2019, KPNT was struggling to amass a 3 share (as opposed to the 10 share they have now), and that was with Rizzuto still having the #1. But back then listeners didn't like the music mix. They seem to love it now.

And that brings us to KVIL. John Allers correctly accessed that KEGL listeners were frustrated with the music mix and the creeping talk radio elements, and Allers started playing a moderate amount of KEGL standbys (mostly culling from 00's rock with a couple of current Active-to-Alt crossovers) and lowered KVIL's talk show elements. The listeners migrated. A half-measure killed KEGL. When something so elementary is all it takes to put a station so far above its rival, it gives the impression that KEGL was a sick station, and whatever iHeart is trying to do to cure its ills seems to just be making it worse.

Adding more talk is only helpful if talk radio is what the listeners want, that and if the talk is of high quality. I don't get the impression that KEGL's talk offerings are what the listeners want or is of high quality.
 
Honestly, I think it’s a dumb idea this new show isn’t on every night. the more I thought about it, I like what 97.1 is doing. If there’s a chance for a station to bring in some extra cash from doing talk on the station, I’m all for it. Billings across many rock formats have been so-so. I do see the point where they need to stop in their fight to now take down 103.7. Real Radio in Florida seems to have the format down right (And please no one tell me how Florida is different than Dallas)
 
Adding more talk is only helpful if talk radio is what the listeners want, that and if the talk is of high quality. I don't get the impression that KEGL's talk offerings are what the listeners want or is of high quality.

The listeners won't know they want it until they hear it. Nobody has heard this Mansplain show yet. It may be a hit. Nobody knows until they hear it. Then it's fair game. Listeners probably didn't like The Treehouse. So the Treehouse is gone, and so is the PD. They're starting from scratch in both music and programs. I'm guessing it's going to take a while to fix everything. But yes, this is the first indication of what they're doing. It's in a low-pressure situation. If it fails, it's no big deal. But if it builds word of mouth, it could be the foundation.
 
The listeners won't know they want it until they hear it. Nobody has heard this Mansplain show yet. It may be a hit. Nobody knows until they hear it. Then it's fair game. Listeners probably didn't like The Treehouse. So the Treehouse is gone, and so is the PD. They're starting from scratch in both music and programs. I'm guessing it's going to take a while to fix everything. But yes, this is the first indication of what they're doing. It's in a low-pressure situation. If it fails, it's no big deal. But if it builds word of mouth, it could be the foundation.
Also true. We'll know more in a few months.
 
I was gonna put about 7 quotes from above in this post, but it'd be an incredible waste of time.

I'm going to break it down.

• If a radio station is in 28th place, they aren't programming what listeners want. See, RATINGS determine how many people are listening to a particular radio station. 27 other signals are doing better than 97.1 - which is a frequency on the FM dial.

• If listeners are going online to get what they want, then what are Kiss and KZPS doing that KEGL is not? Hmmm.

• If you think the music on The Eagle is what it should be, and you think mixing classic rock and alternative rock is a great idea, you should be banned from this forum because you're not qualified to even have an opinion.

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• If you think the music on The Eagle is what it should be, and you think mixing classic rock and alternative rock is a great idea, you should be banned from this forum because you're not qualified to even have an opinion.
That is a bit beyond "extreme". Since you are not a moderator and just a person with a personal opinion, try to stay within reasonable bounds.
 
• If a radio station is in 28th place, they aren't programming what listeners want. See, RATINGS determine how many people are listening to a particular radio station. 27 other signals are doing better than 97.1 - which is a frequency on the FM dial.

Maybe there just isn't the audience there was 10-20 years ago that want the music that is offered up.
• If listeners are going online to get what they want, then what are Kiss and KZPS doing that KEGL is not? Hmmm.

I'm guessing that those stations have a lot of cume but the TSL isn't great, outside of morning drive
• If you think the music on The Eagle is what it should be, and you think mixing classic rock and alternative rock is a great idea, you should be banned from this forum because you're not qualified to even have an opinion.

What you need to understand is, the music that is played has been researched, so there is a science there. Just because you or others on here think it's wrong, there is a section of the audience that accept what is being played.

I think you'll find that a lot of the songs in today's Rock/Classic Rock formats started life at Alternative. Saying that, there are huge differences in both Lone Star and Eagle playlists I'm guessing because iHEART owns and operates both formats, therefore tighter targeting of demo's. The same could be said for the Denver market where they have an Alt Rock, Rock and Classic Rock station, plus an Adult Alt station.

Like it or not music radio is not what younger demo's want, if it's radio at all. I think that at some point there will come a realization amongst radio management that the audience for music radio has shrunk and is in steady decline. So the question becomes, what do they do to protect the audience they have?
 
I think that at some point there will come a realization amongst radio management that the audience for music radio has shrunk and is in steady decline. So the question becomes, what do they do to protect the audience they have?

For some of them, the answer is focusing on things besides the music.
 
For some of them, the answer is focusing on things besides the music.

Exactly, but what? This the big question that radio faces in general. My question is, do radio execs start looking at the talent producing podcasts, many of whom have little to no radio/on-air experience? I wonder if at a station level there has been any research done into what (if any) podcasts their P1's listen to.
 
Exactly, but what? This the big question that radio faces in general. My question is, do radio execs start looking at the talent producing podcasts, many of whom have little to no radio/on-air experience?

Radio is not in the music distribution business. In the case of KEGL, they have the Dallas Mavericks basketball broadcasts. It's not unusual for music stations to run play-by-play sports. In fact iHeart does it a lot. They broadcast the Carolina Panthers on a classic rock station in Charlotte. As for putting podcasters on the air, it's already being done.
 
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