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YOUR "FAIR" SCHEDULE

Faced with the compelling evidence of facts not fiction we have just watched Mr. RR race to the sidelines.

Chicago, SFO are two of what I suspect are many markets that have local people who beat "El Rushbo." Hell, I think all-news kills him in Boston and I suspect NYC as well.

As for what local hosts talk about Mr. RR misses the point...local hosts HAVE to talk about local issues are listeners will turn to the national hosts.

Nice try RR...go off and sulk somewhere...
 
markets that have local people who beat "El Rushbo."

You didn't answer the question, either. Did those two stations beat Rush with local talk shows that specialized in local politics, issues and interests?

Here in Pittsburgh, Rush is consistently beaten by local programs. He's beaten by local stations that have disc jockeys playing music. I'm not surprised that he might be beaten by local stations that broadcast nothing but straight newscasts, or talk stations that carry sports talk.

That's not the point. The point is whether or not he is beaten by someone doing the same format as Rush, except featuring local politics, issues and interests instead of national topics.
 
It is apparent some fail to understand a simple concept: In order for the local talk shows to be sucessful they would HAVE to talk about local issues. Otherwise you can go listen to the national talk shows.


Sportstalk does NOT do well in a lot of cities unless you are looking for a specific demographic.
 
Radio_Realist said:
You didn't answer the question, either. Did those two stations beat Rush with local talk shows that specialized in local politics, issues and interests?

I did answer the question. Rush is beaten by local talk hosts in Chicago ("Kathy and Judy" and Jon Williams) and in San Francisco (Ronn Owens.)

Here in Pittsburgh, Rush is consistently beaten by local programs. He's beaten by local stations that have disc jockeys playing music. I'm not surprised that he might be beaten by local stations that broadcast nothing but straight newscasts, or talk stations that carry sports talk.

RR, you must broaden your horizons. There is more to this country than Pittsburgh.
 
justareporter said:
the barter and cash is for non-CC. For the others it is a "charge" but since it is a CC station it is all in the company. Sorry...you're just wrong.

What are you talking about? That many CC stations don't have to pay cash for Rush? If that's the case, you're the one who is mistaken. The CC station may not have to write a "check" and pop it in the mail, instead it's handled inter-company, but money is transferred from station to Premiere.

CC stations have to pay cash to Prophet, Critical Mass, CC Outdoor...they may get some freebies, they may even get a deal sometimes, but they have to pay for services rendered just like any other station.

Sorry, pal, I've been there, I know.
 
justareporter said:
It is apparent some fail to understand a simple concept: In order for the local talk shows to be sucessful they would HAVE to talk about local issues. Otherwise you can go listen to the national talk shows.


Sportstalk does NOT do well in a lot of cities unless you are looking for a specific demographic.

I disagree with that....I think for a local host to be successful, they would have to talk both local AND national issues...Just 'local only' issue oriented content would get old after awhile. If you wanted decent TSL, I would assume you would need a mix of both.. I have no 'report' to back up my claim, it's just my opinion.
 
Evnlee makes a valid point. I'd agree you need to discuss both local and national although you tend to skew towards local whenever possible.

If Mr. Faraway wishes to contue to insist that CC stations pay the going rate for Rush then I will be happy not to argue with him as it is a moot point. CC / Premier does not make its money off comedian Rush Limbaugh from fees to stations, it makes it off everything else. IF a CC station pays a fee Mr. Faraway is right that it is an "inter-company" expense.

And you think when budget time comes around the "rush" charge has the same weight as say, employees?

Just take a look at your local CC station. It has been gutted of employees....but "El Rushbo" is still talking...even though his numbers are down.

Good budgeting is as much an art as a science...beeen there and done that....CC uses a hacksaw instead of a paring knife. But above all else the last thing to go will be syndicated premier programming, cause CC/Premier ultimately makes the money on the number and reach of stations carrrying their product.

Fire a PT employee (or a few of them) but don't give up the syndicated programming.
 
So if you're in Lima Ohio, you keep the part timer and fire Rush. You replace Rush with who or what? Bill Cunningham (WLW) no doubt beats Rush but Rush's numbers are respectable on co-owned WKRC. Cunningham does a good show and includes local and national topics (as well as sexual, sports and just screwing off). He certainly gets the edge when there's a major local topic (Marcus Feisel and the prosecutions that followed..he was the little boy left in a closet to die while his foster parents went to a family reunion). It isn't talk about the local street project that's going to get listeners, its someone who can do a good show (and a better one than Rush, Hannity, et al). Over time it can happen and its going to depend on the market.

This argument that programs substantial numbers of people want to listen to is not in "the public interest" is comical. Again, you actually think you can force listeners into a steady diet of "programming they may not like, but that's good for them". Not unless you rip the on-off switch and ability to tune to a different station from every radio.

Hmm., seems like TV has a similar "public interest" standard. Is "big Brother" in the public interest. I think it must be replaced by Meet the Press immediately!
 
So if you're in Lima Ohio, you keep the part timer and fire Rush.

You raise a good point by mentioning Lima, OH. This tangent began when JaR made the contention that a local host could beat the syndicated hosts by doing a show about local topics. He said "you do need to have a metro of more then 5000". The discussion was about local owners of local stations programming local programs for the local markets, which carries an implication of small to medium markets, not mega markets like Chicago or San Francisco. And, it was about whether or not a local show that concentrated on "local politics, issues and interests", as opposed to someone who talked about the same things Rush and the other syndicated hosts talked about.

Maybe the owner of an independent station or cluster in a mega-market can afford talent good enough to beat Limbaugh head-to-head. That doesn't address the issue of local owners in small and medium markets being able to afford similarly gifted talent.

Then there is the issue of issues. Maybe a megaopolis like Chicago or San Francisco has enough going on locally to provide enough grist for a local talk mill. Does that mean that markets like Lima, or Poughkeepsie, or Bangor, or Sheboygan have enough local politics, issues, and interests to enable some bargain-basement priced talk show host to successfully take on Limbaugh head-to-head.

Then there's the actual topic of this thread, which is how a station owner would program a station if a new Fairness Doctrine, Rev 2 were to be enacted. I can guarantee you that in all but a tiny handful of markets, a new Fairness Doctrine, Rev 2, will put a bullet into any sort of programming that is the least little bit controversial or partisan.
 
Who ever said that balanced programming can't be good programming? Oh...missed it...if it isn't "balanced" (re: conservative) then it isn't "good."
 
Who ever said that balanced programming can't be good programming?

No one ever said that it couldn't be "good". All anyone has said on the subject is that as of this moment in recent history, there hasn't been any "balanced" political talk programming that pulled diddly-squat in the ratings.

Given that maybe one-half of one percent of the owners of radio stations are willing to put "good" programming ahead of "highly rated" programming, arguing in favor of getting all radio station owners to (1) embrace your definition of "good" and (2) replace their quest for profits with a crusade to achieve what you consider "goodness", your quest makes the one Don Quixote followed look realistic.
 
This is no longer a discussion but a back and forth between two...possibly three individuals. It has ceased to be even remotely interesting to me.

Some on this posting will call that a liberal being unwilling to engage or not having a good enough argument. Unfortunately it is neither...it is simply someone who has a good career at broadcasting...not talking about or standing on the sidelines of broadcasting who is ...well...just bored.

But thanks for the good times.
 
Let CSPAN do the perfectly balanced call-in show where the host never expresses an opinion. They do it well for those who choose to watch it. Dont have government remove the choice to listen to Rush, Hannity, Miller, whoever.
 
justareporter said:
Who ever said that balanced programming can't be good programming? Oh...missed it...if it isn't "balanced" (re: conservative) then it isn't "good."

I wouldn't say it could not be good, BUT it has not been proven to work on a large scale.
 
It has to be a better show than what's currently available...unless the FD proponents have their way and the big hand of government forces the programming substantial numbers of people want to listen to off the air.
 
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