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Your Thoughts on Low Power FM Stations: Are they worth it?

Driving home from my daughter's house in Parma I was trying to hear the final quarter of the Giants Packers game on WBEN's FM station. Granted Rochester is 75+ miles away from Buffalo and the signal does fade in and out at times. However when I tried to listen to the game on WBEN AM it was mission impossible. Static; fading signal, and plenty of noise especially when I came close to any utility lines.

On the flip side of this WYSL's FM signal comes in loud and clear. Granted Avon is a hell of a lot closer than Buffalo.

Just curious what others thought about these lower power FM stations to piggyback AM signals and if they really are worth the cost. ???
 
I think I understand the question your are asking. Careful with terminology. "Low Power FM" is the technical or legal name for a particular class of stations and what you are asking about is not LPFM. (You cannot own any other radio station, and own an LPFM. In fact, the only "people" who can own an LPFM are not for profit corporations.

I think the stations you are asking about are called Translators. Under some specific circumstance, an AM station can own "an FM station which has a very limited power output" (250 watts max?). The problem facing the industry is that there are not enough vacant spaces on the dial for every AM station who needs one... to get one. For many AM stations obtaining one may be life and death. So if paying $30,000 for a translator saves your $150,000 to $800,000 AM station from going broke, yes it is probably worth it. (Besides paying give or take $30,000 to buy an existing translator there will probably be the cost of moving existing equipment, buying new equipment, maybe even a new tower for the little FM.)

I thinking through your question, and thinking about some of the stations I have come across that have a little FM to add to the night coverage of an AM, I suspect there is a pattern going on here. Look at a distant suburban market or a truly rural market. Two AM stations battling it out. The one that is doing better has the cash to go out now and aquire and move a little FM into place to strengthen the AM coverage. The station that is NOT doing better is sitting there trying to figure out how to finance the acquisition of a translator only to find out that the well-heeled AM that could have survived without one now has tied up the only available frequency in the market place, and a second translator is not available at any price.

As has pretty much always been the case with U.S. broadcasting, there is no mechanism in place where the FCC or the Chamber of Commerce or the Council of Churches or even the "good ole boys" down at the Waffle House make a logical decision on which station gets a little FM transmitter, and which station does not. I am reminded of the week that I sat through a seminar on how to understand corporate insurance policies and how to read them. The lecturer had a ready answer for all the puzzling questions that week: "Sorry, you are just the victim of the 'cruel world' endorsement that is added to all insurance policies purchased by people who don't know how to read them."
 
And in this case, only one of the signals in question is a translator.

WBEN's FM at 107.7 is a full-power signal, WLKK Wethersfield, with a class B facility transmitting from southern Wyoming County. It's a somewhat unusual case - it's the old Rural Radio Network site, circa 1948, which was designed to serve neither Rochester nor Buffalo but rather the farm communities in between. It's become a Buffalo-market station over the years, but its signal is still somewhat sketchy in Buffalo...and in Rochester, too.

WYSL's FM at 92.1 is a translator, running something like 70 watts (Bob or Freebird will correct me if I'm wrong on that) from the WXXI-TV tower on Pinnacle Hill. It does a nice job of covering the core of the Rochester market, considering the relatively low power level, and it's certainly helping Bob to overcome the signal troubles he's had at night from incoming IBOC.

But as GRC points out, neither is "LPFM." That's a separate service, and we don't have any around here. (We did, briefly, at the Elim Bible College in Lima, but it lost its frequency when K-Love changed channels. The closest LPFM to Rochester now is WHWS-LP at Hobart and William Smith over in Geneva.)
 
If you were listening to WBEN's FM, you were listening to WLKK, which is NOT a low power FM. It's a Class B licensed to Wethersfield, NY, which is kind of like Brigadoon. There's nothing there except when the FCC comes to visit.

The primary service area is Warsaw. Over the years, owners have done their best to make it a Buffalo move-in, and the tower location gets a signal over the eastern suburbs of Buffalo and into the Rochester market. The coverage for a 19K FM is actually quite remarkable in its actual service area (Central Finger Lakes), but not so hot on the edges of its contour.

WLKK also has a 50W translator on 107.3 in Williamsville. I'm not sure if that's still running because I pulled 107.7 off my car radio buttons when they killed The Lake and put on a WBEN simulcast.

The last ratings I saw indicated that the combined share of WBEN/WLKK was pretty close to what WBEN got alone in the previous books. The 2.5 share that WLKK got left Entercom and went elsewhere. My personal feeling is that Entercom should have used 107.7 to simulcast WGR, which has a younger audience that WBEN, and signal problems to the east at night when the Sabres games are on.
 
Also keep in mind, Mark, that WBEN is operating at 107.7FM as a fully-licensed radio station. It's not, as Goat Radio Cowboy pointed out, a lower power station. And it's not a translator. When I've been in Rochester, I've been able to hear 107.7FM pretty clearly. So, I'm not sure why it was fading out, unless you were trying to listen in the eastern end of Rochester. I usually tune in at the western end of town, closer to the Weathersfield transmitter, than the eastern end.

I'm not sure how effective the low power translators are to an AM station. WECK is touting its 102.9 frequency, going so far as to proclaim in a Buffalo News ad that it's Buffalo's only locally-owned AM/FM radio station (as if that's a reason why people should tune into a music intensive station). But its coverage area is lacking. I'm three miles as the crow flies from that translator. And I can't get a clear, static free signal at my house. If I listen to the Breeze, which I happen to like, I still do so on the AM band. So, I don't think WECK at 102.9 is going to mean much to listeners who are tuning in from locations that are more than a few miles away.

That said, you point out, Mark, that you received a good signal for WYSL at its FM translator. So, I can only conclude that's it is working for Bob Savage. In the end, it may be a case by case thing. It'll work for some station owners and not so well for others.
 
Shows that I have been away from the business so long that I forgot what low power FM really means.

Thanks everyone for the correction and replies.
 
A couple of things, just for the record: translators are licensed just like full-power stations. It's just that the authorizations are of a subordinate or lower class which under certain circumstances must give way to allocated full-power services. IOW, "translators" are not to be confused with unlicensed community broadcasters permitted under FCC rules, like Part 15 AM "stations."

WYSL-FM (actually, W221CL) operates with 99w ERP. It does amazingly well for its power.

As for "how effective low-power translators are for an AM station," the answer is: "it all depends." Just like with full-power facilities, there are good opportunities for translators in some instances - in others, not so much. Depends on what's available, what your expectations are and what you're willing to tolerate in terms of adjacent-channel and co-channel combatants.

There are many instances of FM translators which are the practical equivalent of full Class A stations, where the terrain and site are favorable. Remember there's no height restriction with translators per se. Take a well-sited 250w ERP translator in a lucrative market - that's a valuable property, mon frere.
 
WECK's 102.9 translator does pretty well along the Thruway from the Rt. 400 exit to the Youngman. My understanding is that they're going to move it to WECK's tower at some point.
 
Savage said:
As for "how effective low-power translators are for an AM station," the answer is: "it all depends." Just like with full-power facilities, there are good opportunities for translators in some instances - in others, not so much. Depends on what's available, what your expectations are and what you're willing to tolerate in terms of adjacent-channel and co-channel combatants.

There are many instances of FM translators which are the practical equivalent of full Class A stations, where the terrain and site are favorable. Remember there's no height restriction with translators per se. Take a well-sited 250w ERP translator in a lucrative market - that's a valuable property, mon frere.

The recent adoption of FM translators by AM stations in the US is strikingly similar to the pattern which has taken place in Europe (and other areas of the globe) for the past couple of decades. For instance, in Germany, Switzerland, Czech Republic, etc., many local broadcasters have assembled networks of low-power FM signals to serve one or perhaps several "counties" with seamless coverage. These facilities operate in the holes between much more powerful public and regional private stations, in a "cellular" approach to FM.

To see but a few examples, check the station directories in the German "Sender-Tabelle" website. Here's a link to the listing for Bavaria (Bayern). Google Chrome should do a good job of translating to English, but the original Deutsch isn't difficult to figure out once you understand that QRG = Frequency and Standort = Location:

http://www.fmlist.org/sendertabelle/ukw-st.php?inputLand=D&inputRegion=bay

The full website is: http://www.ukwtv.de/sender-tabelle/index.html

It helps that almost all of the European stations transmit RDS with alternate frequency data, and most of the car radios are designed to retune automatically.
 
Scott Fybush said:
But as GRC points out, neither is "LPFM." That's a separate service, and we don't have any around here. (We did, briefly, at the Elim Bible College in Lima, but it lost its frequency when K-Love changed channels. The closest LPFM to Rochester now is WHWS-LP at Hobart and William Smith over in Geneva.)

The situation is about to change, as 97.1 (or 97.3) will likely become available for new LPFM facilities at various locations in Monroe County under new rules allowing third-adjacent overlap with full power stations (in this case, WCMF and WPXY). We should probably start placing bets on the number of applications to be filed by interested parties for these openings in the upcoming window.
 
"97.1 (or 97.3) will likely become available for new LPFM facilities at various locations in Monroe County under new rules allowing third-adjacent overlap with full power stations (in this case, WCMF and WPXY)."

You have to figure that one or more of the directional AMs will seek to use it the same way Bob Savage uses 92.1 on Pinnacle Hill to extend the range of WYSL-AM; to fill in holes and give extra coverage to stations which struggle with their nighttime and pre-sunrise patterns. All but one of the AMs have some coverage holes on their night patterns, some like WROC-AM are limited 24/7, and only two Rochester-licensed AMs (WHAM and WXXI) reliably reach the market's hot growth areas in Victor and Canandaigua after dark.
 
The WECK FM signal is a waste of money. Too close to 102.5 Star and the Canadian station.
 
Bob1370 said:
You have to figure that one or more of the directional AMs will seek to use it the same way Bob Savage uses 92.1 on Pinnacle Hill to extend the range of WYSL-AM; to fill in holes and give extra coverage to stations which struggle with their nighttime and pre-sunrise patterns. All but one of the AMs have some coverage holes on their night patterns, some like WROC-AM are limited 24/7, and only two Rochester-licensed AMs (WHAM and WXXI) reliably reach the market's hot growth areas in Victor and Canandaigua after dark.

Just a note, there is a very active thread in the Engineering forum regarding FM translators for AM.

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=202473.0
 
102.9 seems to be coming in real well on my car radio along the 90 from Lackawanna to Williamsville. The signal's better than it was, and the music on FM is a lot better than on AM.
 
Read the Engineering thread, it's very informative. Some of the engineers who post there make good points about the value of the AM signal contour relative to the translator. Still, what I'm hearing on WECK is interesting to the extent that it's different, but whether different translates as "good" to a number of 38 year old male or female listeners remains to be seen. BTW, more than likely, this board has seen the last of the Person 12+ ratings because apparently Cumulus won't subscribe to Arbitron after January 1, 2012. How long that lasts is anybody's guess, but selling 97, 103 or 104 without being able to quote proof of performance won't be fun.
 
BTW, more than likely, this board has seen the last of the Person 12+ ratings because apparently Cumulus won't subscribe to Arbitron after January 1, 2012. How long that lasts is anybody's guess, but selling 97, 103 or 104 without being able to quote proof of performance won't be fun.

So...maybe another form of out of the box thinking? Changing the game? Playing offense to say "Arbi^&*%" isn't going to dictate my product position? (Are those ratings "proof of performance" really? - - that's another thread...not to mention beaten to death in discussions)

Hats off to C to take the risk...maybe more return....

That's all

HDBG
 
I suspect you're right :D

I was "just sayin"......

HDBG
 
Remember there's no height restriction with translators per se

Actually, it's rather the opposite. FM translators' ERP are governed by a wacky "MERP" (Maximum ERP) system that's governed by HAAT along certain azimuths. It's spelled out under 47 CFR 74.1235. Go ahead and read it. I promise you'll be scratching your head wondering how in the hell the FCC came up with the rules...but whatever, the rules is the rules.

I concur with your analysis of AM stations using FM translators. It very much depends. I know the FLRG is using that concept to quite a serious extent with a network of small Class C and Class D AM stations, most of which have pretty decent FM translators that are covering the cities of license nicely. Now, part of that is the nature of the Finger Lakes; several small towns/cities (each 5000 to 20,000 pop, give or take) that are mostly 15-20 miles apart from each other. A Class C station can cover the COL well, but so can a well-placed 50 watt FM translator. And the translator doesn't suffer from the "Graveyard Channel Noise" after dark that most Class C AM's do.

OTOH, I'm in Santa Barbara now and local news/talker KTMS 990 has an FM translator and I sorta wonder why. Day or night, the translator doesn't cover Santa Barbara proper very well. And day or night, the 990 roars into all the population centers around here; they've got a pretty good signal. Although, admittedly, day or night...especially night...KFWB 980 out of LA undoubtedly roars up the saltwater path between here and there, too. And day or night, FM usually is superior audio fidelity to AM.

Flip that around again, Entercom recently blew up "Mike 93.7" on WMKK and made it a simulcast of their flagship sports talker WEEI 850AM. WMKK is close to a full-market Class B in Boston, and WEEI has a killer daytime signal but at night they null westward and lose a lot of lucrative audience in the Metrowest areas. In just one quarter, having the FM outlet spiked their ratings and brought them a heckuva lot closer to their new arch-rival the SportsHub WBZ-FM on 98.5, which is a full-market Class B FM signal. That's a simulcast that, while costly, is making a lot of sense.

To get back to the original question, in its purest form, as to whether the LPFM service is "working" as a whole? After running WHWS-LP at Hobart & William Smith Colleges for 3.5 years, I would argue that it really isn't. The non-commercial nature of LPFM really hangs some serious shackles around what you can do to raise revenue. The only way to get enough potential listeners with the power restrictions (100w ERP @ 10m HAAT or equivalent) is to be located in a high-population-density area...and none of those areas have enough "room" on the dial to fit any new LPFM stations in. There are a handful of exceptions, I suppose. And there will be a handful more if the new filing window (sans third-adjacent protection) ever comes. But for the most part, LPFM is a service that only can be done in rural areas where the population density isn't high enough to sustain traditional fundraising or underwriting efforts. That means it only works when you've got parent organization, like a college or church, subsidizing the operation. Neither of which fulfills the original mandate of LPFM which was to allow greater access to the airwaves by underrepresented parties.

Mind you, I thought we were doing a decent job with WHWS. Certainly we weren't UNpopular in town or on campus, and quite a few people liked what we were doing. But we had a lot of advantages: subsidization by a college, access to satellite programming via the ContentDepot system shared with WEOS (the NPR affiliate), access to all of WEOS's remote broadcasting equipment, sharing WEOS's Enco DAD automation system and Logitek Audio Engine, a mandate to broadcast a lot of HWS sports and a budget to support that, etc etc etc. Plus the small size of the college meant a lot of hours in the day when there were never going to be students programming the station; thus giving us the freedom to air things more popular in the community, like The Takeaway, The Mid-Morning Reprieve, and Radio Bilingue. Those all add up to a sizable advantage most LPFM's would never have, and even then we had little luck attracting fiscal sponsors and no possibility of really garnering any listener donations.

I think if you allowed LPFM's to operate as commercial stations, you'd see greater fiscal viability. But you'd also inevitably destroy the core nature of the service in the process. Oh well.
 
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