Pulse did not fail; in fact, it opened our eyes and ears. The playlist was enjoyable and there can be a good mix of Hip-Hop/R & B/ and Hits. The main focus has to be Dance Music; it's been around forever, and the successful clubs, parties, etc. all have a common denominator- Dance Music!
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Your Wish List For The New Party FM 87.7
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qwertynyc
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I miss Pulse- everything about it from DJ's, voice-overs and especially the dance music. Yes, Party is playing Ameerah, Agnes, Lady Gaga, etc, but I listened all day and never heard the repetition that I heard on Party today. They played Paparazzi and Party in the USA about a dozen times today. Since I can't listen to this station at work on terrestrial radio I've got hundreds, if not thousands of other internet radio stations to choose from and unfortunately Party would not be it. I can say that 87.7 has always come in loud and clear where I live on the UWS and it will continue to be a listening choice at home, just not as much as the old Pulse.
musik187 said:
Those are probably the hardcore Pulse listeners. Right now they're grieving over Pulse and since they've gotten used to pretty much having a pure terrestrial Dance station, it's hard for them to accept anything a little bit different. Now if Party hadn't taken over 87.7 FMs frequency, at least not for 6 months, then I guarantee you those same crybabies would be grateful to the new Party FM. They'd be more then happy to have a station play a good chunk of Dance music alongside the latest Pop hits.
It's easier to hate than to embrace change. Not everyone "gets it", but thankfully there's people like you and Tony Santiago who do see the bigger picture.
Energy 92.7 recently left the airwaves of S.F. Some of its hardcore fans took it real hard. Look at what one poster commented today:
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,156042.0.html
On the other hand, Atlanta recently got a Rhythmic AC that plays its fair share of Dance. Over in the ATL the Dance fans are happy:
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,155112.0.html
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Mid West Clubber
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You guys need to give vic and party the benefit of the doubt,,, I would love to have a station with even 25 percent dance here...... chrles is right,, stations like the first Hot 97,,, power 106 in LA, b-96 chicago,, and power 96 in miami were all among the pioneers of dance stations, and none of them were 24/7 4x4 beats, whats wrong with some pop, ballads, hip hop, and maybe even occasional rock whenever your getting such a big dose of dance,,, I would be happy to even have a KTU type station here........ It would be stupid for a dance station to ignore the big crossover artists like brittney, Gaga, b.e.p,,, Sean Kingston.... Why ignore hits within the format, thats just dumb for a terrestrial station in 2009... Keep in mind that when the original Hot 97 was around many of those dance songs were big chr hits and also heard on z-100 and bls...
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Ger
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What some of those facebook fans forget is Party always had a mix of hip hop and dance since they signed on. After the channelcast, Party was more dance heavy since there was a station catering to the hip hop fans. All I say is give it time, maybe Vic will do the 70% dance 30% hip hop formula like how Party was back in 98-04.
I don't agree about these percentage mixtures. Straddling the fence between hip hop and dance is gonna piss off the hip hop fans (who don't really need half a hip hop station in NYC) AND piss off the dance fans, leaving not too many people very happy.
See WRXP, the local everything-but-the-kitchen-sink alternative/classic/whatever rock station, famous mostly for its haphazard playlist and train wreck segues by trying to reach fans of all kinds of rock but not pleasing very many. Party FM should specialize in one genre or it'll be the WRXP of rhythmic music.
See WRXP, the local everything-but-the-kitchen-sink alternative/classic/whatever rock station, famous mostly for its haphazard playlist and train wreck segues by trying to reach fans of all kinds of rock but not pleasing very many. Party FM should specialize in one genre or it'll be the WRXP of rhythmic music.
NoMoreLurking said:
I agree with you 100%,I remember back in 1993 when the original HOT 97 was Ghettoed out to sound like a mixture of dance music and hip hop it fail.Look what happen to hot 97 now,all hip hop station.That's why I believe party 105 should change their format, New York City is different from Long Island.Party 105 will never get the listeners of hot 97 & power 105.1
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musik187
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dj_quad4 said:
I honestly don't think their goal IS to attain HOT or Power's listeners...The station shouldn't be completely Dance, it can incorporate a bit of Dance and Pop and a Hip Hop song or two as well... they should actually... NOT saying they shouldn't increase the Dance product... NOT saying that at all... they definitely should!! It's just good to have a bit of rhythmic variety on the station that's all. However the repetition of some of the songs they are playing? NOW that's something completely different. THAT should change and I hope in time it will. Let's NOT forget (once again) that HOT 97 DID play a bit of everything back in the day when it was still a big station, even though it prioritized on Dance. That's a fact.
Great comments DJ quad. You are right on the money with what you said about variety. With regards to repetition, sadly from what I've observed and read, some of the most successful stations of alltime were very heavy on the repetition.
To NoMoreLurking, if you have 4 Rock stations in a market then filling a niche is fine, but if you just have one then it needs to have as broad of an appeal as possible.
If there were 4 stations in NYC leaning on Dance then you'd expect one to go full blown Dance.
While NYC already has 2 Hip Hop stations this did not happen overnight. NYC does not have a true Rhythmic CHR (although KTU and 92.3 Now straddle that line) nor a true Dance station. In order to create a Dance station for NYC you first need to create a mass appeal station that's going to cater to more than just the Dance heads. Mass appeal indicates it needs to be Pop savvy, and since a lot of Hip Hop records are also big Pop hits then it makes sense to play some Hip Hop in the mix.
If there will come a time when there will be a big enough hole in the market for a pure Dance station in NYC then you'd likely see it emerge on a full market signal. You'd see signs of this emerging if the Pop charts were suddenly flooded by Dance records, as was the case in the late 70s with Disco.
We've brought up cases of the original Hot 103, which debuted in Summer 1986. A little less than 10 years later, in the winter of 1996, New York got another Dance station on the same frequency, 103.5 KTU. The new KTU wasn't pure Dance, but was a VERY smart mass appeal station. It played Dance, Pop hits as NYC didn't have a true CHR/Pop at the time (Z-100 leaned Modern Rock), and it played retro Dance, including titles from the 70s and early 80s that were popular on the original 92 KTU. Hence, it was a very different station from both the original Hot 103, and from the original 92 KTU, but it was mass appeal.
With regards to Rock, the Rock audience in the major markets has gotten increasingly fragmented over the years. Some of the Rock fans are anti-radio, some only want to hear a very specific type of Hard Rock, Adult Rock, or Alternative Rock. Concurrently, the major markets have gotten a lot more ethnically diverse over the years. Rock radio, like Country music, is at its core a format big with white people. And yet, Rock music was created by blacks, and has been embraced by Hispanics a lot moreso than Country music.
Rock music is associated with the baby boom generation. It was the voice of the young people, and in the post World War II era teens accounted for a much higher percentage of the US population. Many of the Top 40 stations in its Golden era were geared at 12-24 year olds, and thrived thanks to the music coming out of Memphis, L.A., Liverpool and Birmingham. Progressive and pure Rock radio was then able to take off due to Rock's huge popularity. FM radio was much more experimental in the mid 60s through much of the 70s, and was where Rock stations of all shapes and sizes found a home. By the time the 80s rolled around, when radio had gotten more corporate, and many stations couldn't rely on 12-24 year olds to survive, there was a big enough older audience for Rock. That's why many of the Rock stations of the 80s were more Adult friendly, and being a Rock station oftentimes meant playing Bryan Adams, Bruce Springsteen, and other acts that today many Rock fans would frown upon. They want it hard and loud, or they want it melancholic and indie, but they oftentimes don't want something in between, those mass appeal records that bridge the gap between young and old, loud or accoustic. And that's what makes it harder for Rock radio to succeed in some markets these days. So some people stopped listening to Rock altogether and moved on to other genres, and some found new outlets for their music - namely the internet.
To NoMoreLurking, if you have 4 Rock stations in a market then filling a niche is fine, but if you just have one then it needs to have as broad of an appeal as possible.
If there were 4 stations in NYC leaning on Dance then you'd expect one to go full blown Dance.
While NYC already has 2 Hip Hop stations this did not happen overnight. NYC does not have a true Rhythmic CHR (although KTU and 92.3 Now straddle that line) nor a true Dance station. In order to create a Dance station for NYC you first need to create a mass appeal station that's going to cater to more than just the Dance heads. Mass appeal indicates it needs to be Pop savvy, and since a lot of Hip Hop records are also big Pop hits then it makes sense to play some Hip Hop in the mix.
If there will come a time when there will be a big enough hole in the market for a pure Dance station in NYC then you'd likely see it emerge on a full market signal. You'd see signs of this emerging if the Pop charts were suddenly flooded by Dance records, as was the case in the late 70s with Disco.
We've brought up cases of the original Hot 103, which debuted in Summer 1986. A little less than 10 years later, in the winter of 1996, New York got another Dance station on the same frequency, 103.5 KTU. The new KTU wasn't pure Dance, but was a VERY smart mass appeal station. It played Dance, Pop hits as NYC didn't have a true CHR/Pop at the time (Z-100 leaned Modern Rock), and it played retro Dance, including titles from the 70s and early 80s that were popular on the original 92 KTU. Hence, it was a very different station from both the original Hot 103, and from the original 92 KTU, but it was mass appeal.
With regards to Rock, the Rock audience in the major markets has gotten increasingly fragmented over the years. Some of the Rock fans are anti-radio, some only want to hear a very specific type of Hard Rock, Adult Rock, or Alternative Rock. Concurrently, the major markets have gotten a lot more ethnically diverse over the years. Rock radio, like Country music, is at its core a format big with white people. And yet, Rock music was created by blacks, and has been embraced by Hispanics a lot moreso than Country music.
Rock music is associated with the baby boom generation. It was the voice of the young people, and in the post World War II era teens accounted for a much higher percentage of the US population. Many of the Top 40 stations in its Golden era were geared at 12-24 year olds, and thrived thanks to the music coming out of Memphis, L.A., Liverpool and Birmingham. Progressive and pure Rock radio was then able to take off due to Rock's huge popularity. FM radio was much more experimental in the mid 60s through much of the 70s, and was where Rock stations of all shapes and sizes found a home. By the time the 80s rolled around, when radio had gotten more corporate, and many stations couldn't rely on 12-24 year olds to survive, there was a big enough older audience for Rock. That's why many of the Rock stations of the 80s were more Adult friendly, and being a Rock station oftentimes meant playing Bryan Adams, Bruce Springsteen, and other acts that today many Rock fans would frown upon. They want it hard and loud, or they want it melancholic and indie, but they oftentimes don't want something in between, those mass appeal records that bridge the gap between young and old, loud or accoustic. And that's what makes it harder for Rock radio to succeed in some markets these days. So some people stopped listening to Rock altogether and moved on to other genres, and some found new outlets for their music - namely the internet.
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musik187
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CHRles said:
CHRles, I was the one speaking about variety, if it's my comments you're talking about that is
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abba701
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My wish is that they dont have house music mixes all night.
Edit: I take that back. I thought I heard them say there gonna have house music mixes all night. But i guess i heard wrong.
Edit: I take that back. I thought I heard them say there gonna have house music mixes all night. But i guess i heard wrong.
CHRles said:
Agreed. But NYC doesn't have just one. There's Q104.3 (classic rock, getting its highest ratings ever) and WFUV (AAA non-comm) plus suburban L.I. and N.J. rock stations in the metro. RXP still insists on trying to cover all the bases.
This is not a Hot103/KTU/Hot 97/Z100 historical situation. It's unique, and the big difference is signal. The 87.7 signal isn't going to win a lot of "punch wars" - commuters punching between stations trying to find the best song - the weaker signal and odd dial position is at a huge disadvantage. The best way for them to get an audience is to super-satisfy with programming that can't be found anywhere else. People aren't going to put up with the static on 87.7 to hear the same songs that they can find on a stronger signal like Hot 97, Power 105.1, Z100, or 92.3 Now.
And for listening at home, it's quite an ordeal to get a clear 87.7 signal in too many parts of the NYC metro. Having 87.7 playing music that's duplicated elsewhere is neither incentive nor a great reward for jumping through hoops to pull in Party FM.
To music187, my bad - we see eye to eye on the matter.
At the same time, I must admit that NoMoreLurking has brought up some very valid points. Perhaps due to 87.7's challenging signal, and the complexity of listening patterns, focusing on a niche should not be ruled out.
Hopefully in time the folks running the show at Party FM will be able to properly accommodate a large enough number of listeners through the right market research.
At the same time, I must admit that NoMoreLurking has brought up some very valid points. Perhaps due to 87.7's challenging signal, and the complexity of listening patterns, focusing on a niche should not be ruled out.
Hopefully in time the folks running the show at Party FM will be able to properly accommodate a large enough number of listeners through the right market research.
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aiboss1
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My wish list for Party 105....
STAY IN LONG ISLAND!!!
PULSE 87!!!
STAY IN LONG ISLAND!!!
PULSE 87!!!
CHRles said:
Perhaps another way of looking at this is that NYC has now a plethora of rhythmic stations...or if you want to express it more bluntly, a plethora of non-rock stations. So the situation with respect to Party 105 (now Party FM) is that it is, although not to the extent of Now or 'KTU, more closer to being an 'RXP of rhythmic stations. Because hiphop, salsa, merengue, reggaeton, disco, modern dance and pop remixes are all rhythmic music. So you have to look at a full-time dance station as a niche within a lineup of rhythmic stations. Hot97 and Power105 fill in the niche of purely hiphop and r&b. Z100 masters in rhythm-flavored pop music. Mega goes for older Spanish dance music. WXNY is now a mix of bilingual rap, reggaeton, bachata and salsa music. Now and 'KTU sound much closer to each other than people think, although 'KTU still plays older dance music here and there. If you want to stretch it a bit further, Now and Party FM have a good deal in common.
So dance music fans are clamoring for their own little sanctuary, even if its on a frequency many radios can't tune to. A point aside, of course: I'm NOT one of those Pulse fanatics that are out there. I thought Pulse should've incorporated dance music from Europe and dance subgenres like Latin House, techno, triphop and what I like to call 90s electronica. Even so, I appreciated that the folks behind Pulse believed in the dream and did their best to bring it to reality. But ultimately, they DID FAIL. I'm sorry but a station that lasts a little more than a year is a failure by my book. That doesn't mean I dismiss the impact they may have had (and that remains to be seen) on the radio landscape. Let's not sugarcoat it, though.
If you could put many of the webcasters of dance music together and try to build a terrestrial dance station, I can almost guarantee you that the music would sound very good to most dance fans. All that is really required is a few individuals with business savvy to make it work in today's world. And money. Lots of money.
Is RXP a success then? They launched at around the same time as Pulse and are still on the air, but despite the full-market signal and massive promotions and a normal dial position, they haven't even been able to double Pulse's cume or 12+ ratings.
What about stations that do well in the ratings but don't bill particularly well? Are they failures, because some of them have managed to stay on the air longer than Pulse? How about stations with zero ratings but big profits from running brokered programming and infomercials? Do you consider them a success...not just in the monetary sense of the word, but overall as a radio station that serves its audience?
Pulse lasted closer to two years than to one year, and achieved what probably no one, including most of the optimistic "dance fanatics" around here, let alone the alleged "experts" probably would have predicted: a cume of 1,000,000 for a station that, well, isn't even an actual radio station. A ratings share of 1.0 when so many better publicized, better funded stations don't even reach a 1 share. With zero publicity, an iffy signal, and a frequency many could not tune to and with no prior history of an English-language format being located there (so that listeners would at least be used to tuning that far down on the FM dial). All run by a company that was probably already a step away from bankruptcy before they even launched Pulse 87.
Is it really that hard to look at things objectively and to look at all the facts? Or are you perhaps disappointed/sour that Pulse didn't play enough of the flavor of dance music that you personally favor? (a familiar argument reminiscent to those being made about rock radio stations not being able to please most rock listeners due to the extremely fractured nature of the genre).
What about stations that do well in the ratings but don't bill particularly well? Are they failures, because some of them have managed to stay on the air longer than Pulse? How about stations with zero ratings but big profits from running brokered programming and infomercials? Do you consider them a success...not just in the monetary sense of the word, but overall as a radio station that serves its audience?
Pulse lasted closer to two years than to one year, and achieved what probably no one, including most of the optimistic "dance fanatics" around here, let alone the alleged "experts" probably would have predicted: a cume of 1,000,000 for a station that, well, isn't even an actual radio station. A ratings share of 1.0 when so many better publicized, better funded stations don't even reach a 1 share. With zero publicity, an iffy signal, and a frequency many could not tune to and with no prior history of an English-language format being located there (so that listeners would at least be used to tuning that far down on the FM dial). All run by a company that was probably already a step away from bankruptcy before they even launched Pulse 87.
Is it really that hard to look at things objectively and to look at all the facts? Or are you perhaps disappointed/sour that Pulse didn't play enough of the flavor of dance music that you personally favor? (a familiar argument reminiscent to those being made about rock radio stations not being able to please most rock listeners due to the extremely fractured nature of the genre).
I'd be thankful for a station like Party 105.3 any day. Just bring it to Phoenix Az and let N.Y. have one of our rhythmics. I enjoyed having 6 years of Energy here in Az. but that all ended Oct 31 2008 and I could only wish for a station like Party.
And for anyone who thinks that Party would go all hip hop, especially now in 2009 out of all times, I'll just say without too much explanation, you'll begin to "get what's happening in music" in about 1 - 3 years. I seriously doubt Party would go all hip hop, especially now that the hip hop generation is currently in its final stages of wrapping up and becoming history as the next big thing and sound begins to take over. What was it we've had so far - blues, jazz, disco, rock n roll, and now the hip hop era is becoming a part of that history....?? So... if anyone dears to go all hip hop NOW in LATE 2009, then good luck to them. Ok, maybe urbans would still have a chance in places like NY and Atlanta, but still I'd say good luck because the hip hop sound is definitely not the direction we're headed in music now - unless the plan is to consider all the 117-132bpm hits that are on the way a "new style of hip hop".
Don't let the fact that there are still hip hop songs being made and becoming popular fool you. There are still rock songs, jazz songs, and even reggaeton songs being made, yet those era's/generation time periods of that style dominating the charts still remains a thing of the past. Well, the hip hop generation is very rapidly becoming a thing of the past as well. People don't realize how far ahead of the game Party is right now. Maybe they weren't always ahead of the game with their format, but music has evolved to the point that the Pulse style is once again where many other's (In The U.S.) are about to be. Other countries are pretty much already there. The U.S. somehow remains behind, with only ONE station playing a decent amount of dance together with the rhythmic top 40 hits.
I do have to appreciate New York for being ahead of the game though - thanks to many of the out of towners and cultures who move in to N.Y. from other countries / regions, embrace the sound, and help make it possible for multiple stations to play or accept dance there.
And for anyone who thinks that Party would go all hip hop, especially now in 2009 out of all times, I'll just say without too much explanation, you'll begin to "get what's happening in music" in about 1 - 3 years. I seriously doubt Party would go all hip hop, especially now that the hip hop generation is currently in its final stages of wrapping up and becoming history as the next big thing and sound begins to take over. What was it we've had so far - blues, jazz, disco, rock n roll, and now the hip hop era is becoming a part of that history....?? So... if anyone dears to go all hip hop NOW in LATE 2009, then good luck to them. Ok, maybe urbans would still have a chance in places like NY and Atlanta, but still I'd say good luck because the hip hop sound is definitely not the direction we're headed in music now - unless the plan is to consider all the 117-132bpm hits that are on the way a "new style of hip hop".
Don't let the fact that there are still hip hop songs being made and becoming popular fool you. There are still rock songs, jazz songs, and even reggaeton songs being made, yet those era's/generation time periods of that style dominating the charts still remains a thing of the past. Well, the hip hop generation is very rapidly becoming a thing of the past as well. People don't realize how far ahead of the game Party is right now. Maybe they weren't always ahead of the game with their format, but music has evolved to the point that the Pulse style is once again where many other's (In The U.S.) are about to be. Other countries are pretty much already there. The U.S. somehow remains behind, with only ONE station playing a decent amount of dance together with the rhythmic top 40 hits.
I do have to appreciate New York for being ahead of the game though - thanks to many of the out of towners and cultures who move in to N.Y. from other countries / regions, embrace the sound, and help make it possible for multiple stations to play or accept dance there.
Wow look at how much of the main page of the N.Y. board is filled with "Party / Pulse" activity! You really do deserve an all dance format station there because it's obvious people in N.Y. REALLY want and appreciate it!
Well, just be thankful that you all are not sounding nearly as bad as L.A. is right now.... It COULD be worse.
Well, just be thankful that you all are not sounding nearly as bad as L.A. is right now.... It COULD be worse.
KDM 7000 said:
I hope you're right. I really, really, really, really...too many "reallys"...hope you're right! It's just that I've been so annoyed by having to tolerate the Missy Elliots, Jay-Z's, Akon's, Snoop Dogg's mixed in with the uptempo stuff. Not to mention what I would call the "vocoder rap" where the slick producers think it's a good idea to have artists utilize electronic voiceboxes in the songs. Ugh! I'm not in the business of predicting the future. I don't have that "sixth sense" of being able to see things happening before they happen. All I can do is make judgment calls based on what I experience. And what I experience is that the "Ghetto Lifestyle" pwns the city. Rappers and hiphoppers grace the charts, the magazines, the sports pages, the internet, etc.. It's like the media need to put on a rapper for whatever reason.
Now don't take this as to think I'm blaming rappers. Gawd bless them for pursuing their dream and getting wealth and notoriety in the process. I'm blaming Corporate Media (tm) for being their usual myopic selves and for being followers rather than leaders as usual. Could all this be just a dream in 5-10 years? Sure, anything is possible these days. But I'm not hoping for some worldwide revolution. I just want to hear some good dance stations, whether it be from the internet or terrestrial. Perhaps it is good that Dance artists don't dominate like the hiphoppers in one way: We're not at the point yet where bad dance artists are being shoved down our throats on a consistent basis that people would start souring on dance music again. That's partly one of the reasons for the fall of disco. I don't want that to happen to contemporary dance. Right now, I can take some pleasure in hearing some good House, Technotrance and even an occasional drum n' bass while most people don't know what the hell that is.
Part of me just wished that people here had become aware of the great music that came out in the 90's and the explosion of electronica. The negative publicity that accompanied the rave scene, for example, did not help things at all.
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