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lalumia said:
Knowing the very savvy Vic Latino going back to when "The" was still his middle name, Party will remain Party;
why would a successful formula(Party) switch gears to sound like a fallen formula(Pulse)?
Answer; it won't, as it would alienate the established fan base on Long Island for starters...
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Jimi, out of the "haters" in here, I like you! ;D

First, it was Mega Media's finances that go as far back as 2004 that failed Pulse, it wasn't the dance formula that Joel ran.

Secondly, and I do feel compelled to ask this question to you. You had that track "Dance Floor", which was pretty good and Party 105 did play it. Now, supposing...JUST supposing, you produce something new and Vic and Party decided to spin it. Wouldn't that actually give you BIGGER exposure? I mean, Party 105 only kept it mainly to Suffolk when "Dance Floor" was released (there was no 101.5 yet) and since Pulse wasn't around, who would have known if Pulse would have taken the chance. I'm just saying, if a new track of yours did get play on Party FM, knowing it would get into NYC, parts of NJ and Westchester/Rockland, wouldn't that be beneficial to you?

I trust Vic implicitly with things and if he has to tweak things to dance to satisfy both advertisers and listeners, I know he'll do it :). Vic is not dumb. Maybe that should be your test. Produce something new. Heck, I'll play it on MY Monday show on Urban Latino Radio if you want! :).
 
Tony;
I'm very happy about the transition;
I'm simply stating that I can't imagine that Party would radically dismantle what works on it's home base(Suffolk County) in order to gamble what might work with the former Pulse-ers;
I have been a fan of Vic from day one, and when he wanted to hear another point of view from someone who's been around a while, he would pop into Jimi LaLumia's Record Connection for what would turn into lengthy chats, concerning the music and his career moves;
I don't think of myself as a hater; I think of myself as a realist, popping balloons at times so that people will wake up and realize what has to be done to turn dance around;
I am very proud of you, from your earliest appearances and our earliest discussions years ago,and I thank you, as always for the kind words..
by the way, this isn't 1978 anymore and I'm not a punk rocker;
I expose tons of new dance, including imports at The Bunkhouse in Sayville several nights a week(spinning Cascada's "Evacuate" when it was still a UK import and people thought it was GaGa) and spinning GaGa when no one knew who she was...
now pick up the phone and make a request for "DanceFloor"(lol) and perhaps you and I will work on a record, the antidote to "Death To Disco"
all the best
LaLumia
 
stationless listener said:
I hope you're right. I really, really, really, really...too many "reallys"...hope you're right! It's just that I've been so annoyed by having to tolerate the Missy Elliots, Jay-Z's, Akon's, Snoop Dogg's mixed in with the uptempo stuff. Not to mention what I would call the "vocoder rap" where the slick producers think it's a good idea to have artists utilize electronic voiceboxes in the songs. Ugh! I'm not in the business of predicting the future. I don't have that "sixth sense" of being able to see things happening before they happen. All I can do is make judgment calls based on what I experience. And what I experience is that the "Ghetto Lifestyle" pwns the city. Rappers and hiphoppers grace the charts, the magazines, the sports pages, the internet, etc.. It's like the media need to put on a rapper for whatever reason.

Now don't take this as to think I'm blaming rappers. Gawd bless them for pursuing their dream and getting wealth and notoriety in the process. I'm blaming Corporate Media (tm) for being their usual myopic selves and for being followers rather than leaders as usual. Could all this be just a dream in 5-10 years? Sure, anything is possible these days. But I'm not hoping for some worldwide revolution. I just want to hear some good dance stations, whether it be from the internet or terrestrial. Perhaps it is good that Dance artists don't dominate like the hiphoppers in one way: We're not at the point yet where bad dance artists are being shoved down our throats on a consistent basis that people would start souring on dance music again. That's partly one of the reasons for the fall of disco. I don't want that to happen to contemporary dance. Right now, I can take some pleasure in hearing some good House, Technotrance and even an occasional drum n' bass while most people don't know what the hell that is. ;)

Part of me just wished that people here had become aware of the great music that came out in the 90's and the explosion of electronica. The negative publicity that accompanied the rave scene, for example, did not help things at all.
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And this is part of the problem. Everyone wants to think in the NOW or "this is how I see / think / feel NOW" in the short run, then make a decision and act based on that thought or feeling they have right NOW, not taking into consideration the evidence of the huge possibilities and changes that are on the way. Just like in elections, this type of thinking can disrupt the possible better outcome from taking place, especially if an incredible amount of people adopt the same style of thinking and act on it all together. This is somewhat the problem with dance formats and the thoughts about dance music, or music in general, in this country. The "old ways of thinking" continue, as people continue to ignore or fail to see the evidence of what's about to happen. People see "well hip hop is still sounding pretty big and I don't hear all dance tunes playing", so therefore, until it becomes all dance, people remain dissatisfied. Also, people see "well that station failed, therefore there must be something wrong with the format and NOBODY should ever try it again".

Well...

I could understand how people could fall into this type of "logic", but sometimes you must look at the BIG picture and read between the lines instead of just focusing on the immediate obvious. For example; lets say two things are happening at this period in time

1. A dance station has just shut down.
2. Many artists / producers are abandoning their "old" sound and jumping on the electronic sound.....

To most people, they will only see "Well dance doesn't work! This sucks! Don't try it" and that type of mindset gets locked into place and that's just the way it is in their minds until the day their brain activity stops. To the average listener, it's "another dance station died! now I'm pissed ....." and that's that.

Well, that's one way to look at it, and this would be something big to worry about in 2004, 2005, 2006, and maybe even 2007.

But, when you REALLY think about it TODAY, IN 2009, there really is nothing to worry about in the long run! As much as I'm tempted to get into a full detailed explanation, I'll just bring up some small facts inthe form of rhetorical questions. Have you noticed how much things have changed in music since 2004/2005? Have you noticed how more and more people are jumping on the electronic sound today? Have you noticed how you can not only hear house beats, but the use of booty bass and freestyle SUCCESSFULLY being used on a massive scale today ALMOST PRECISELY to how it was done back in the 90's? Have you realized THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF POSSIBILITIES THAT NOW EXIST for dance because of this? We are indeed in VERY VERY, VERY exciting times in the evolution of music, and this time we're in is also a HUGE benefit to dance!!

Just stop and think about it for a moment...

Does anyone really think that a trend will continue to unfold and music will go into a dance/uptempo direction, yet radio stations will be so foolish that they will continue to ignore it and continue trying to play the hip hop and other stuff that is no longer dominating the charts...and electronic dance will continue to die despite the fact that this is the direction of sound we're headed in? When you really think of it, you'll come to the realization that eventually,

SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.

You have Lil Jon, Jermaine Dupri, Akon, Pitbull, BIRDMAN, and ALL sorts of people jumping on the dance/house sound. OH!!! OHH!!! AND!!! Not only that, You have Jay Sean, who BROKE INTO THE U.S. MAINSTREAM with his hit "down"!!! which has reached #1 IN the U.S.! Think about it - this is the song that CROSSED HIM OVER and BROUGHT HIM IN to the U.S. charts, after his five to six years of previous singing! This shows that not only will the uptempo dance and FREESTYLE sound work today, but this is the direction we're headed in! The signs of what's to come couldn't be more obvious! Something will eventually have to change, and SOON, because people will not be able to continue to ignore what's happening in music, RIGHT NOW!!

You have a hip hop generation (which have now all become the parents) that is coming to a close. You also know that once one generation/phase passes, then SOMETHING ELSE will have to take it's place. You also have the electronic sound slowly filling up the charts and more and more people jumping on it. Just by reading the last three sentences alone, what do you think will happen as a result? Oh, and lets just say "ok, this is only a trend and it will eventually come to an end -then what?". To wrap up this BRIEF SUMMARY edition of the exciting times we're CURRENTLY IN when it comes to the future of dance music, I will say this: The trend alone  creates an endless amount of possibilities for dance music, and if all we get out of this electronic/electro-pop/electro-hip hop trend is enough power to help bring the pure dance sound back to light and high enough for it to be able to co-exist with other genres (just like rock & roll, jazz, country, classic rock,...etc are doing even though they are currently not topping the charts), THAT ALONE is enough to be excited about!!!

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT IS TAKING PLACE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!

As far as the auto-tune / electro vocoder voices being used, think about this:
Remember the days of Afrika Bambaataa, Egyptian Lover, Planet Rock, Freestyle, and that entire genration of sound? Well, this is what today's generation of autotune will sound like to all the babies that are turning 1 and 2 today, in just a few years - and remember, it was that entire Afrika Bambaataa, Egyptian Lover....etc. along with the disco period (which itself was also a trend) that kicked off the entire dance sound the first time around. Well, guess what!!!

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A MODERNIZED STYLE OF THAT STAGE IN MUSIC, ONCE AGAIN!

Think of Lady Gaga and many of the electro pop records around 120 or so bpm as the disco of today. ... And I deliberately did not even take the fact that Jay Sean's "down" is in reality a new school freestyle song any further, which I was extremely tempted to do, but I think I've said enough for now.

A LOT IS HAPPENING, A LOT IS COMING.

People will one day look back to today and..........

TO CONSERVE TIME, LET ME JUST STOP AND WRAP THIS UP RIGHT NOW.
Here are links to cover all the things I have not even began to touch on yet.


http://www.freestyleremix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10009
(link taken from few years back - 2006, very first days of when I realized dance music making a come back)

http://www.freestyleremix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10253
(part 2 of my "DMC - Dance Music Comeback" Theory 2007)

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,141917.0.html
(David Guetta Talks About Dance Music Making a Come Back)

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,152131.0.html
(LIL JON embraces and talks about IT! (the dance sound))

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,125780.0.html
(A brief summary of more evidence showing which direction we're headed in)

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,155491.0.html
(electro-pop/hip hop meets dance & vice versa! - read post # 6 on this page)

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,155850.10.html
(The Very Exciting Times We're in TODAY, regardless of the fact that Pulse is gone (see post #3 on this page))

In conclusion, There is REALLY NOTHING to Worry About When it Comes to The Next Generation of Music / Sound of 2010-2019 ...and I did not even cover the advancements of technology and extra options of radio that are to come - which will ALSO benefit dance!

Remember in the 90's during the transition to hip hop becoming the next big thing, the older dance, uptempo, disco sound did stick around for a while before the pure hip hop/all hip hop thing started. Notice how even with that, a lot of older hip hop was using old school electro / freestyle / disco beats as this transition to the hip hop generation occurred. Even before many stations became ALL hip hop, they were hip hop with many elements of the pre-hip hop phases and trends still lingering. Well,

NOW THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AGAIN - IN REVERSE!!!

This current sound with the Missy Elliots, Jay-Z's, Akon's, Snoop Dogg's mixed in with the uptempo stuff that many of us are getting sick of is what we have to put up with as we transition OUT of the hip hop generational phase, the same way people had to put up with the old school breakbeat / freestyle / disco that lingered around before the pure hip hop finally began to take over. Also, the same way we had those past generation elements (such as rock n roll / disco dance / electronica) showing up in the early stages of rap / hip hop, we will have the hip hop generation lingering a bit as the dance movement moves in, so in other words, we will first have to put up with many house/electronic stuff with someone "always having to rap" on it, before eventually that will die down and be replaced with more vocal / r&b styles singing, which is where the true return of vocal house/dance will come along. Example? "when love takes over" - David Guetta ft Kelly Rowland..

The hip hop generation has now become the parents. it's the NEW GENERATION OF KIDS that are growing into this "new dance sound". The parents (hip hop generation) are the ones who are going to hold the old ideas that "techno is gay, sucks..." etc. The Kids GROWING INTO THIS "NEW" SOUND, will see it as the NORMAL, COOL thing, because remember, they are growing in to it, and when you are born, ANYTHING you grow into or grow up with is normal and cool to you. So by default, the kids are growing automatically being trained to be more open minded than the hip hop parents who are stuck on one tempo, which will also lead to the next generation being the ones to take over (as future producers, dj's radio programmers, industry managers..) and make a change. The result?

A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF SOUND IS COMING! - ITS ALREADY BEGUN!!!

Very Exciting Times Are on The Way.
PREPARE YOURSELF NOW!
 
lalumia said:
now pick up the phone and make a request for "DanceFloor"(lol) and perhaps you and I will work on a record, the antidote to "Death To Disco"
all the best
LaLumia
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:) Thank you Jimi! I know deep down you want to wake people up, and I do respect and admire that too!

So, let's hit that studio. How about "Don't Call This Techno?" lol ;)
 
Pulse failed, but not because of dance music. It failed because of it's game plan... it's ownership thought it would do better than it did and it made huge operational and programming blunders.

First, they formatted dance and talented urban, while signing on without a sales staff and went on-air begging for trade for station use. Out of the box, without any major revenue stream, they dumped big bucks into building state of the art studios that graced the cover of industry mags and then pettitioned arbitron to get into the ratings, and I think that hurt more than helped. With advertisers there is no way to sugar coat low numbers - at least without them, they could have sold the loyal and growing base appeal - youth and energy - while not a regional or national sales winner it can add up to significant local buys with a sales staff - advertisers and companies like a buzz... but once the numbers black and white, it just obvious this wasn't going to be a KTU to the skies climb of 1996, that I think management hoped it'd have, even if not to number one, but into being a significant player.

I don't think Mega Media ever had long term plans, it always felt like it was reacting, it never promoted well, and most everything felt smaller scale and not really NYC on a business aspect... luckily for them, they made it this far, because they had a unique music genre and fanbase or it'd have fallen apart last year.
 
stationless listener said:
All I can do is make judgment calls based on what I experience. And what I experience is that the "Ghetto Lifestyle" pwns the city. Rappers and hiphoppers grace the charts, the magazines, the sports pages, the internet, etc.. It's like the media need to put on a rapper for whatever reason.
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By the way, this was the ONLY section I meant to quote in my quoted post earlier.
 
and what lifestyle does dance offer ? what 'stars'? what makes it desirable?
these are questions I brought up on dance message boards in 2000/2001(as Tony recalls) and nothing has changed since then...
and until it does, lifestyle wise, as far as the fan in the street is concerned ,'something'(hip hop lifestyle) is better than 'nothing'(the last decade's perception of dance);
and therein lies the puzzle to be solved;
most people associate 'dance' with 'gay', that's just the way it is;
and as a gay male, I have no problems with that, but the 'fan in the street' obviously does
 
Sam Lit said:
Man, talk about a long winded thread.........
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Yeah, some folks are writing novels up in here. Over a radio station?
 
lalumia said:
most people associate 'dance' with 'gay', that's just the way it is;
and as a gay male, I have no problems with that, but the 'fan in the street' obviously does
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I'll NEVER forget this post as long as I live.

Back in the days of the newsgroups, someone posted something in alt.music.dance wanting to know a good underground nightclub in New York City to hit that didn't have gays in it. I told him, go to New Jersey because YOU WILL NEVER find an underground club in NYC that doesn't have gays in there. Being straight, I could care less....I have many gay male friends and in a club, the dance floor does NOT discriminate :) But it's that "fan in the street" that has issues with it and throw on this "stereotype".

I was just responding to another thread just now about the gay issue and the other stereotypes..."clubbers trippin on e" and the "guido" mentality. Yes, gays like dance music....they also like rock, hip-hop, R&B, jazz, classical, country..you name it. Not everyone going to clubs is looking to score some crystal meth, nor are all people from Brooklyn or Staten Island with spiked out hair, a t-shirt with a chain raising fists up all the time!

Granted, every aspect of music has some sort of "stereotype" attached. Going back to "Disco Sucks", I think this music has been picked on so heavily that the stereotypes unfairly push hard on the negatives instead of the positives...that the music is fun, anyone can enjoy, has no creed, color, religion, sexual preference to it.

It's gonna take time to fix the "damage", but that's where education comes in.
 
You know, I don't think I ever done my wishlist...here goes.

1) I wish Party a success and the best in their future endeavours and one day will get that 70% dance/30% hip hop formula like back in the days.

2) Nothing against Harry Legg, he is a great VO, but I do miss Pat Garrett as Party's VO guy. Hopefully Party will bring him back as a VO

3) **This should've been the first on the list**** PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT 87.9 COMPACT FM PIRATE IN NEWARK!!
 
d21ofnj said:
You know, I don't think I ever done my wishlist...here goes.

2) Nothing against Harry Legg, he is a great VO, but I do miss Pat Garrett as Party's VO guy. Hopefully Party will bring him back as a VO
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Isn't Pat Garrett doing VO"s for WBLS right now?
 
Sure is, and he's also the VO guy for 100.1 WJRZ in the Jersey Shore. WBLS also had George "Apollo" Fetherbay around 2004 or 2005, and I worked with Apollo when I was running 967party.com earlier this year and may have him again for the new Blazin967.com stream. I was interested to use Pat for my stream, but he was only open to retainer packages only. :-\
 
Pulse 87 did NOT fail. It was such an influential station and one that can never be duplicated unless all the same people and more are involved. I wish Party Fm success, Eventhough I won't be listening. I'd much rather listen to Now FM or Z100 which play the same music.

My suggestion: Keep trying to be everything for everybody. It's soup with every ingredient in it.
The best of Luck!
 
DanceDiva3 said:
Pulse 87 did NOT fail. It was such an influential station and one that can never be duplicated unless all the same people and more are involved. I wish Party Fm success, Eventhough I won't be listening. I'd much rather listen to Now FM or Z100 which play the same music.

My suggestion: Keep trying to be everything for everybody. It's soup with every ingredient in it.
The best of Luck!
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DanceDiva3, you are right!

Pulse didn't fail in the sense that it drew the dance music community together and caused major influence. Heck, if it wasn't for a Pulse 87, JVC Broadcasting would not have rushed to get the signal once Mega Media went bankrupt. (for matters that occurred BEFORE Pulse came into the scene).

Often I hear this analogy from many former Pulse staffers and I agree...the station was "family". The on-air personalities certainly made you feel that way. To that, I think that's another "problem" as well with the PartyFM transition. The music they are playing is "similar", adding hip-hop in there. Yet with the on-air personalities, (outside of Vic Latino, who a lot of dance music fans are familiar with his run on 'KTU) some fans are still "struggling" with them. Now granted, they ARE good; I do know Pulido and have spoken with Natalia and Nikki and Eddie Tegone. Yet some fans are still struggling because these personalities are not "Borasio, Niko and Andre".

It's as if you're in a "house" with a "family" that people have been comfortable with. That "family" leaves and a new family comes in that appears similar yet something different about them that one isn't used to.

In that regard, I do say...still give PartyFM a chance. Not for nothing, but I'm glad I'm hearing more female voices besides Ruby Tuesday on a Sunday! lol. Pulido's a good guy :). There are going to be those that "hate" and that's okay. And if you're going to tune in elsewhere, that's cool...that is certainly one's perogative to do so. It's still an "adjustment" and I still see "The Big Picture" down the road, as long as JVC remains financially healthy.
 
I think the comment on #6 is excellent, sometimes we have to mix other songs that are not so popular yet. It brings it out to us. peace ilir aka dj ill nyc
 
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