I love listening to TOC! Will it get a regular fm station in the NY market?????
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End of TOC on WPLJ hd2????
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As I was posted on the Hudson Valley board that WEOK/WALL will be pulling the plug on its TOC soon. WPLJ's HD2 will considered to have a flip to a simulcast of WABC on WPLJ's HD2, but no word on what the change is coming. We'll see.
In a word, no.
The format does not have enough advertiser appeal to justify a full signal station. We'll get alternative rock or EDM much sooner than we will ever get old oldies.
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You bet it right! I enjoyed hearing the oldies that you cannot hear on a NYC station since CBS-FM pulled the plug on oldies back in 2005 to make way for "Jack". As of now, WGNY's "Fox Oldies" in the Hudson Valley is still playing oldies along with a new morning show with Bob O and Laurie G as the first female ever to come to an oldies and Van Ritshie moved to middays which is a complete train wreck. In addition to that, WROW's "Magic 590" in Albany now plays oldies as well. Both of these oldies stations survives playing the music from 50's, 60's and 70's. And let's not forget, WMTR in Morristown, NJ got their oldies fix and I hope eventually, if oldies succeeds, it will be returning to the NYC airwaves on the AM dial soon.
Last year, some made a rumor that WMCA will get an oldies format on 570 AM if Salem doesn't get its act together of running a religious talk format with bad ratings, or maybe they should move the religious talk format to WBAI and put oldies on WMCA and bring back the "WMCA Good Guys" moniker and call it the NEW "WMCA Good Guys" and make the station to go competing with WCBS-FM. If Salem should get WBAI to go religious talk if Pacifica leaves, maybe a new ownership would get WMCA and it will flip to oldies and bring in some 35-64 age group to the table.
Nope. CBS is using it for CBS Sports and 880 AM.
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According to what the article says "Scott Shannon might seek a new distributor to continue to run the True Oldies Channel", but maybe he might end up at the new Westwood One or perhaps any of the networks instead of Cumulus (aka The Cloud). We shall see.
in case anyone missed it, the TOC is done--the Cloud has dropped it like so much rain, replacing it with a "good time oldies," channel which will probably be heard on wplj hd 2 or something similar. I don't think there's anything running on wnsh hd2.
Think HD3 orf wnow is also free and clear.
Think HD3 orf wnow is also free and clear.
They have K-rock on HD2 and are unlikely to add another subchannel as it would severely downgrade its sound quality.
This should help explain what Westwood One is replacing TOC with...
http://radiosyndicationtalk.com/2014/03/27/westwoodone-likes-good-time-oldies/
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WestwoodOne Likes Good Time Oldies
March 27, 2014 radiosyn Leave a comment
WestwoodOne has announced that it will add “Good Times Oldies” a new syndicated radio 24-hour Oldies format to its line-up of program services. “Good Times Oldies” will debut on Monday, April 28 and feature music from the golden era of pop, rock and soul-centering on hit music from the 60s and 70s -and positioned slightly older than traditional Adult Hits-formatted stations. This is the first new format since WestwoodOne and Cumulus Media Networks merged.
Good Time Oldies will feature a line-up of veteran radiopersonalities, including Jim Zippo, John Summers and Kevan Browning. Zippo is well known for his years at WDRQ Detroit, WEAM Washington DC, KQOL Las Vegas and KTKS Dallas. He’s also done mornings nationally for over 12 years. Summers marks 30 years as a PD/MD and air personality on such stations as BJ105/Orlando and WMMO/Orlando, and he currently does PM Drive on KLUV/Dallas. Browning joins from his current role on WestwoodOne’s Classic Hits format, after a long on-air and programming career with stops in Milwaukee, Memphis, Houston and Dallas.
“We are excited to bring this product to market,” said WestwoodOne President of Programming Kirk Stirland. “Good Time Oldies is a great strategic format, and one our customers tell us often fills a void in their market.”
http://radiosyndicationtalk.com/2014/03/27/westwoodone-likes-good-time-oldies/
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WestwoodOne Likes Good Time Oldies
March 27, 2014 radiosyn Leave a comment
WestwoodOne has announced that it will add “Good Times Oldies” a new syndicated radio 24-hour Oldies format to its line-up of program services. “Good Times Oldies” will debut on Monday, April 28 and feature music from the golden era of pop, rock and soul-centering on hit music from the 60s and 70s -and positioned slightly older than traditional Adult Hits-formatted stations. This is the first new format since WestwoodOne and Cumulus Media Networks merged.
Good Time Oldies will feature a line-up of veteran radiopersonalities, including Jim Zippo, John Summers and Kevan Browning. Zippo is well known for his years at WDRQ Detroit, WEAM Washington DC, KQOL Las Vegas and KTKS Dallas. He’s also done mornings nationally for over 12 years. Summers marks 30 years as a PD/MD and air personality on such stations as BJ105/Orlando and WMMO/Orlando, and he currently does PM Drive on KLUV/Dallas. Browning joins from his current role on WestwoodOne’s Classic Hits format, after a long on-air and programming career with stops in Milwaukee, Memphis, Houston and Dallas.
“We are excited to bring this product to market,” said WestwoodOne President of Programming Kirk Stirland. “Good Time Oldies is a great strategic format, and one our customers tell us often fills a void in their market.”
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This is just publicity hype for a format that is going to babysit small market radio stations just like ABC Pure Gold did. If this was not the case, they'd hire better djs and pay them more money.
If Salem flips WMCA (doubtful) they should go back two decades to talk, not five decades to Top 40 music. Talk is still a viable AM radio format and Salem has done a decent of job programming WNYM. Moving talk to WMCA and religion to WNYM would, 1) give the talk format coverage in the entire tri-state area making it competitive with WABC and WOR and, 2) revive the legacy of the WMCA many New Yorkers still remember.
As for "bad ratings," I'm sure Salem doesn't care as long as the billing is good. But my contention is that, in a sense, it's a "sellers market." If Salem pulls the plug on religion on WMCA and offers the block time buyers the same schedule on WNYM at a slightly lower rate, what choice do they have? Where else are they going to go? The mainstream talk belongs on the signal where ratings DO matter.
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Westwood One is owed by Cumulus. DUH!
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Pure Gold had approximately 250 affiliates in markets of all size, including New Orleans, Salt Lake City, El Paso, Austin, Midland/Odessa, Buffalo, Sacramento, Bakersfield, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Anchorage, Little Rock, Albuquerque, Orlando...just to name a few, plus Armed Forces radio. That's a lot of combined AQH that created a lot of advertising revenue. Jim not only was am drive personality, but also the PD of Pure Gold and was in charge and oversaw all the budgets. Pure Gold was a $4.5-$5 million annual business.
Jim Zippo is a well known and respected talent, but of course I am biased. The trades such as R&R, Radio Ink, etc., commonly referred to him as "Legendary Jim Zippo." I can dig up the many trade publication PDFs we've saved, but I doubt that would impress you as you have chosen to be a "nay sayer" before this format even launches. I don't know who you are, but by your name I hope you haven't been burned by this industry. Radio has changed, everyone knows that. It doesn't pay the big bucks that it used to, but there still are a lot of talented jocks throughout the country that want to give radio their all and are producing good radio shows.
I welcome your feedback once the format launches and has had some time to get it's legs, until then why be so negative? Again, I hope it's not because you have been "burned."
Best regards, LP
Pure Gold had approximately 250 affiliates in markets of all size, including New Orleans, Salt Lake City, El Paso, Austin, Midland/Odessa, Buffalo, Sacramento, Bakersfield, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Anchorage, Little Rock, Albuquerque, Orlando...just to name a few, plus Armed Forces radio. That's a lot of combined AQH that created a lot of advertising revenue. Jim not only was am drive personality, but also the PD of Pure Gold and was in charge and oversaw all the budgets. Pure Gold was a $4.5-$5 million annual business.
Jim Zippo is a well known and respected talent, but of course I am biased. The trades such as R&R, Radio Ink, etc., commonly referred to him as "Legendary Jim Zippo." I can dig up the many trade publication PDFs we've saved, but I doubt that would impress you as you have chosen to be a "nay sayer" before this format even launches. I don't know who you are, but by your name I hope you haven't been burned by this industry. Radio has changed, everyone knows that. It doesn't pay the big bucks that it used to, but there still are a lot of talented jocks throughout the country that want to give radio their all and are producing good radio shows.
I welcome your feedback once the format launches and has had some time to get it's legs, until then why be so negative? Again, I hope it's not because you have been "burned."
Best regards, LP
AHHH Cumulus owns Westwood One iirc
Totally not true. Jim was one of about 40 jocks cut when the corporate bean counters came in and did not renew contracts with anyone making any kind of significant salaries. I think Bob Leonard was the 2nd one not renewed. Ask around, when contracts came up for renewal they just weren't renewed and instead talent was replaced making about 25% of what the former jocks made. Pure Gold was highly successful at the time, so it was purely a monetary decision.
Jim had been there 12 and a half years. He was the first big name true personality jock that was brought to satellite radio. R&R did a story about it. He served also as PD and over the years, his salary just got too expensive for them. Today, those kind of salaries don't exist in radio any longer.
Jim had been there 12 and a half years. He was the first big name true personality jock that was brought to satellite radio. R&R did a story about it. He served also as PD and over the years, his salary just got too expensive for them. Today, those kind of salaries don't exist in radio any longer.
The corporate bean counters were right. The djs didn't talk that many times per hour to make that much difference. Their main job was to push buttons and get all the tones right. The formats did just fine with cheaper djs. If Zippo's talent had any real value to them keeping affiliates, they would have done everything to keep him, but he and everyone else who left, made no difference to any of the 24 hour formats. I will get into some of the other things that you said that were fabrications in posts in the near future.
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