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FredLeonard
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What do they care about AM talk? ABC is out of the radio business. AM talk is already killing itself and the angry geezers who listen to AM talk don't watch The View, and the stay at home women who watch The View don't listen to AM talk.
Read the context of my post...others are suggesting they bring in liberals and conservatives and face off. I'm saying that's a bad idea.
Regarding ABC Daytime, I wonder if it would have been a better move for the ABC O&O group to try to get "The Doctors" if it was available. Like "Rachael Ray", it's distributed by CBS Television Distribution. I think CBS would actually prefer ABC stations buying it and clearing it at 3pm than KYW and other O&Os running it at 9am. It's an upgrade and it's competitor is buying the show. Like the Oprah and Dr. Phil old clause - is there a clause that The Doctors (a spinoff of Dr. Phil) can't run at the same time as Dr.Phil in a market? It doesn't apply in Philly as KYW runs Dr.Phil at 4pm.
It might make a good follow up to General Hospital and the main doctor, Travis Stork, is attractive to the female audience.
I realize that ABC might want to find something of it's own for the 2016 year as that can be more profitable than buying a program from CBS. But what if the next show is also a dud of a show, like "Katie"? So many daytime talk shows have failed even from celebrities like Anderson Cooper.
As for The View, I think Trump was right that ABC was desperate. Would it have worked out better to expand GMA, move Live with Kelly & Michael to 10am, Rachael to 11 in the East instead? The affiliates wouldn't be forced to clear another hour that way. One issue is if Live with 'Kelly & Michael' formula works only at 9am. Would it be just as successful at 10, or even yet, what if it was an afternoon program?
It might make a good follow up to General Hospital and the main doctor, Travis Stork, is attractive to the female audience.
I realize that ABC might want to find something of it's own for the 2016 year as that can be more profitable than buying a program from CBS. But what if the next show is also a dud of a show, like "Katie"? So many daytime talk shows have failed even from celebrities like Anderson Cooper.
As for The View, I think Trump was right that ABC was desperate. Would it have worked out better to expand GMA, move Live with Kelly & Michael to 10am, Rachael to 11 in the East instead? The affiliates wouldn't be forced to clear another hour that way. One issue is if Live with 'Kelly & Michael' formula works only at 9am. Would it be just as successful at 10, or even yet, what if it was an afternoon program?
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"Live" may be owned by ABC syndication, but it airs on plenty of non-ABC stations across the country.
That's true but many non-ABC owned stations, including ABC, NBC and Fox affiliates, would likely be fine airing the show at a different time, say 11am. Are there any CBS affiliates that carry the show? That could be a conflict with The Price is Right, but the show could move to another affiliate in that market.
WBAL (NBC) in Baltimore airs the show at 10am, and ABC is fine with that arrangement (permitting Hearst the rights to the show over Scripps WMAR), even though Baltimore viewers haven't been able to participate in the live phone in aspects with the show for years.
It still remains a very strong show that WBAL wants to keep it even if it runs at 10 (and pre-empts the last hour of Today), i.e. Kelly pre-empting Kathie Lee.
I think ABC was pleased that while there was doubt Kelly might not be able to carry the show without Regis, she has been or maybe the show's format is what does it. Kelly outlasted Katie and there was likely lower expectation for Kelly and high expectation for Katie to be around in their daytime years out.
Anyways, if The View doesn't perform well this next season, I don't see it a bad idea for ABC to cut it, GMA expanding one hour, and Live with Kelly and Michael possibly airing at 11am. This would also allow Chicago and Central Time Zone to participate in the live aspects of the show as it would air at 10am Central most likely there, and Windy City Live is already running at 11am in Chicago.
The 3pm hour is still another problem. I don't see Live with Kelly and Michael working in the afternoon. Maybe ABC will have another talk personality by then, or the major O&Os could try to get 'The Doctors', but they'd be dependent on CBS for another show, so it'd be Rachael Ray, The Doctors and Jeopardy/Wheel.
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FredLeonard
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A rose by another name may smell as sweet, but calling an onion a rose does not make it smell good.
Calling a daytime talk show "Today" or "GMA" does not make it Today or GMA. NBC calls their 10am show "Today" but it's still more like "Live with Hoda and Kathie Lee." Didn't NBC do enough to Pat Weaver when he was alive. Do they have to prostitute his creation now?
Calling a daytime talk show "Today" or "GMA" does not make it Today or GMA. NBC calls their 10am show "Today" but it's still more like "Live with Hoda and Kathie Lee." Didn't NBC do enough to Pat Weaver when he was alive. Do they have to prostitute his creation now?
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FredLeonard
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Yes. She was there part-time. Much of the time, the show went on without her - format unchanged, content unchanged. Changing personnel is one thing. Giving a daytime chat show the title of a newsmagazine show is something else.
But even when she wasn't there, it was her show, and her people defined it. They've now thrown all that out. It's possible, given the new production team, that the format will change. Should it keep that name?
I do wonder how the show will survive with the relatively high price tags that Whoopi and Rosie have. It seems unlikely the show will explode in the ratings once the new season kicks in. Both Whoopi and Rosie have serious sides and have thrived on their own shows. Whoopi's sit-down 1-on-1 chat show from a couple decades ago was very well done, and Rosie proved she had it in the final weeks of her cancelled OWN show, when it became a no-audience, hourlong chat with B- and C-level celebrities. The new EP comes from a news background and if the third cast member turns out to be Nicole Wallace, who had a serious real job before turning pundit, the show is clearly not going to do only wacky infotainment.
Clearly there won't be flying koozballs, balloons falling from above, and mindless "What's Poppin" chatter in Year 18. Yet, I doubt there is much audience interest in issues-driven programming either. The fourth hour of Today works mostly because Hoda Lee and Kathie Lee appear to be having fun as they whip through 7-8 four-minute long segments with minimal depth. Even the biggest stars rarely get more than 5 minutes. If there is chemistry among the new gang, there could be a few more years left in "The View".
Otherwise, ABC can just plop Lara Spenser, Ginger Z, and Strahan into GMA Hour Three. I think that's the endgame once Kelly Ripa's contract ends in a few years.
Clearly there won't be flying koozballs, balloons falling from above, and mindless "What's Poppin" chatter in Year 18. Yet, I doubt there is much audience interest in issues-driven programming either. The fourth hour of Today works mostly because Hoda Lee and Kathie Lee appear to be having fun as they whip through 7-8 four-minute long segments with minimal depth. Even the biggest stars rarely get more than 5 minutes. If there is chemistry among the new gang, there could be a few more years left in "The View".
Otherwise, ABC can just plop Lara Spenser, Ginger Z, and Strahan into GMA Hour Three. I think that's the endgame once Kelly Ripa's contract ends in a few years.
From your last sentence - What would be the incentive of getting rid of Kelly Ripa or "Live with Kelly and Michael"?
It remains a top ranked show:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-talker-for-week-ending-august-3-2014/292582/
It's distributed by ABC and ABC can make syndication revenue selling it to higher ranked stations in many markets. Don't even some FOX O&Os buy it as well? (e.g. WTVT-Tampa, FL) An ABC Network hour is pretty a give-away with an ABC network affiliation.
My thought was only moving it to another hour, possibly 11am if The View is to be cancelled. I agree with your comments that Whoopi and Rosie have a high price tag. I'm not sure they will capture the targeted demos either, but we'll see.. I realize moving "Live with Kelly and Michael" to another hour runs a risk that the show *might* not perform well at a new hour, however, but I don't see justification to cancel the show that I implied from your last sentence.
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FredLeonard
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Without Regis the show is nothing. Airhead Jersey Bimbo and Dumb Jock. The show was 90% Regis. Kelly and Kathy Lee were never more than fluff. Send Kelly back to the soaps.
Maybe there's a chance Kelly will go for a 20-year "Live" career. Her current contract ends in a couple years, which would give her 17-ish years. It seems unlikely that the producers would continue giving her the $20+M she currently gets. The only daytime stars making that much have ownership in the show. Kelly is just the "talent". Newbie Michael earns less than a third of that amount and cost-cutting is the rage. Regis opted not to renew his contract when offered a salary cut. I think Kelly would also walk away, knowing that she, her children, and future grandchildren are already set for life.
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