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Cable channel lineup oddities

Salem Cablevision, Salem AR

2-Local Access
3-KYTV Springfield MO
4-KARK Little Rock AR
5-KOZL Springfield
6-KEMV Mountain View AR
7-WGN America
8-KAIT Jonesboro
9-K15CZ Springfield (CW)
10-KOLR Springfield
11-KLRT Little Rock
12-C SPAN
13-TBS

How about Canadian OK now?
2-Showtime
3-KPTF Farwell (GLC)
4-KAMR Amarillo (NBC)
5-The Movie Channel
6-Local Access
7-KVII Amarillo ABC
8-KCIT Amarillo Fox
9-Educational Access
10-KFDA Amarillo CBS
11-KVII DT2 Amarillo CW
12-KERA Dallas PBS
13-TBN

-crainbebo
 
In St. Louis, the last general-entertainment cable channel on 2-13 was TBS. They moved from 6 to 51 a few years ago. Now 2-13 is populated with eight local over-the-air stations (on 2-4-5-7-9-11-12-13), a shopping channel (6), and two channels that show wall-to-wall informercials (8 and 10). There is no Channel 3.
 
Idaho Falls/Pocatello: Cable One

2- TV Guide
3- KIDK (CBS)
4- Local Cable One instructional
5- Me TV
6- KPVI (NBC)
7- Shopping
8- KIFI (ABC)
9- Blank (and has been for months)
10- PBS
11- local text community announcements
12- same as above
13- BYU TV

What a waste. Atleast four channels here that could offer programming. But Cable One doesn't care.

Of course, for good measure, 32 (CNN), 33 (HLN), 41 (TBS), 42 (TNT), 52 (TCM), are also gone. Just absolutely unacceptable.
 
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searadiofreak, could you explain the "Shopping" programming service you mentioned in the message above?
 
In my hometown of Norwood, Massachusetts, we have there cable providers, and here's how they divide-up Cable Channels 2 through 13:

Comcast

2 WGBH Boston (PBS)
3 Home Shopping Network
4 WBZ Boston (CBS)
5 WCVB Boston (ABC)
6 New England Cable News
7 WHDH Boston (NBC)
8 NPA (Norwood Public Access Television) Public-Access Channel
9 WSBE Providence (PBS; not on Norwood Light Broadband or Verizon Fios)
10 WWDP (Shopt NBC)
11 WLVI Cambridge/Boston, MA (CW)
12 NPA (Norwood Public Access) Educational and Government Access (both are shared on this channel; NPA recently split them into separate channels)
13 WFXT Boston (Fox)

Norwood Light Broadband (municipoally-owned cable system):

2 WGBH
3 TV Guide Network
4 WBZ
5 WCVB
6 New England Cable News
7 WHDH
8 WSBK Boston (My Network TV)
9 WLVI
10 WFXT
11 The Weather Channel
12 Catholic TV (Boston Catholic Television)
13 WGBX Boston (PBS)

The three NPA access channels are on Cable Channels 22 (Educational), 23 (Public) and 24 (Government)

Verizon Fios

2 WGBH
3 WSBK
4 WBZ
5 WCVB
6 WBIN Derry, NH (independent)
7 WHDH
8 WFXT
9 WMUR Manchester, NH (ABC)
10 WNEU Merrimack, NH (Telemundo)
11 WENH, Durham, NH (PBS)
12 WLVI
13 WGN America (some programs from WGN Chicago and other programs to fill gaps when WGN's broadcast signal can't be retransmitted by satellite due to syndicated exclusivity or sports contract regulations)

On Verizon Fios, the three NPA channels are cable channels 33 (Government), 34 (Educational), and 35 (Public).



It should be noted that WGBH and New Hampshire Public Television within the past year combined some "back office" operations and and now simulcast most of their programming. As a result, most Massachusetts cable systems that carried WENH have dropped it; most New Hampshire cable systems that carried WGBH have dropped it as well.
 
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Portal, ND looks like 1990...

2 - TBS
3 - Weather Channel
4 - KMCY Minot (ABC)
5 - KSRE Minot (PBS)
6 - Nickelodeon
7 - HBO
8 - ABC Family
9 - WGN America
10 - USA
11 - KFYR Bismarck (NBC)
12 - KXMC Minot (CBS)
13 - CNN

Also, Curtis NE is great.

2 - KNOP North Platte (NBC)
3 - TBS
4 - Discovery Channel
5 - TNT
6 - KWNB (ABC)
7 - not used
8 - KSNK McCook (NBC)
9 - KUON DT2 Lincoln (PBS World)
10 - formerly Foxnet
11 - KOLN Lincoln (CBS)
12 - ABC Family
13 - ESPN Classic

And, a small cable system in Port Gibson, MS...
2 - Showtime
3 - WLBT Jackson (NBC)
4 - WAPT Jackson (ABC)
5 - The Movie Channel
6 - TBS
7 - E!
8 - CNBC
9 - ABC Family
10 - ESPN
11 - CNN
12 - WJTV Jackson (CBS)
13 - WDBD Jackson (Fox)

-crainbebo
 
Odd channel positions for local stations on cable

Here in Covington, when Enstar/Falcon/Charter ran the cable system (back when it was a "cursed" system), WPTY (ABC) was on channel 30 (!) It also had WBBJ on channel 7 and WMC (NBC) was on 9. Now we have Comcast all-digital, and WATN is on 7 while WBBJ is no longer carried.

Are they any (in-market) network affiliates carried on odd channel positions on your cable system?
 
For some time Telemundo was on channel 56 in Phoenix. This put it in the expanded basic cable package, a situation that did not change until Telemundo and Daystar's 2006 license swap took effect (Telemundo picked up the basic cable slot, Daystar's national feed was added to digital cable). KFPH (UniMás) is still in there.
 
Springfield, IL (Comcast--all digital and all-encrypted):

--19: WCIX-49.1 (RF 13) Springfield (My). Has been on this channel since 2002.
--189: WEIU-51.1 Charleston (PBS). The Springfield/Decatur/Champaign market's third PBS affiliate (in addition to WILL Urbana and WSEC Jacksonville/Springfield), which serves part of the eastern and southeast parts of the market.

Plus all the subchannels are scattered in the 3-digit wilderness on digital cable.

Meanwhile, of the cable channels before 19, these are NOT being used for local affiliates:

--4 (Public Access)
--5 ("Local Advertising" but actually more like "national infomercials")
--9 (WGN America--but for how much longer with it becoming less Chicago-centric i.e. losing the Cubs)
--11 (HSN)
--13 (QVC)
--14 (vacant)--as are cable channels 20 and 23
--15 (CSPAN)
--16 (TVG)
--17 (Weatherscan)
--18 (Educational Access)

And then finally WCIX on 19. Why not just bump Local Advertising or one of the shopping channels to one of the vacant channel numbers below 24 and move WCIX to either 5, 11, or 13 (preferably on 13 to match its OTA RF channel).
 
On Charter in Jackson, TN WJKT 16 has been on channel 9 ever since I moved into the Jackson area in 1999. However when WBBJ started their CBS/Me TV subchannel on 7.3, it was carried on channel 16. However on their HD lineup WJKT is on 716 and WBBJ 7.3 is on 709.

However Charter is going all digital next Tue. 9-16 and there will be changes to the lineup, so there could be changes in this.
 
Several years ago COX moved then WSAH Channel 43 Bridgeport, which at the time was Shop-At-Home Network from Basic Channel 8 to Digital Only Channel 75. Now they are affiliated with ME-TV and go by the name WZME. It's also on Channel 119.182 if you don't have a cable box. My mom and I contacted COX several times to as them if they would move WZME to a different channel number and they never responded. So last week I emailed someone at WZME and they responded that he would contact someone at Titan Broadcasting (the company that operates WZME) to see if they could get COX to move WZME to a different channel number.
 
anotherguy said:
On Charter in Jackson, TN WJKT 16 has been on channel 9 ever since I moved into the Jackson area in 1999. However when WBBJ started their CBS/Me TV subchannel on 7.3, it was carried on channel 16. However on their HD lineup WJKT is on 716 and WBBJ 7.3 is on 709.

However Charter is going all digital next Tue. 9-16 and there will be changes to the lineup, so there could be changes in this.
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I found a list with the new lineup and it appears that WJKT and WBBJ are staying in their current positions.
 
On American Cablevision/Time Warner in Kansas City, Christian indie KFYC 50 (late Pax/Ion KPXE) was placed on 9 where it the OTA signal of KMBC often bled into it, (a message from the lord perhaps?)
 
In Duluth, MN the locals have always been on weird spots (due to the OTA antennas being so close)

KDLH CBS 3 has been on 4
KBJR NBC 6 has been on 5
WDSE PBS 8 has been on 12**
WDIO ABC 10 has been on 13***
KQDS FOX 21 has been on 11 since startup (1999...FOXNET was there before that)

nothing was on 3 or 6
8 & 10 usually were (back in the day) like CSPAN or Home Shopping

**-back in 2001 Duluth did get an OTA UPN affiliate of KDUL-LP which was on 12. Living in downtown at the time it made reception of PBS 8 (cable 12) a bitch due to the ingress (I think thats the word). I'd get audio from KDUL but video from PBS every now and then
***-WDIO actually uses this to their advantage. They have a satellite (WIRT) which is on 13. They always say "channels 10 & 13" but in Duluth its OTA 10 cable 13 and in Hibbing/the Iron Range (where WIRT is) they put it on channel 10 on cable.
 
Charter Cable, Pasadena, CA:

KLCS (PBS, channel 58) was on channel 65 in the 2000s, then it moved to channel 25.

Channel 58 used to be BET (it's now fyi), channel 65 is now Nickelodeon, and channel 25 used to be Disney Channel.
 
What happened to my list of the odd numbered channels on my cable system? It was totally on-topic, and wasn't rude.
 
Here in Oklahoma City, MyNetworkTV affiliate KSBI, and Independent station KAUT are all on different channel numbers from their PSIP. KSBI, and KAUT are on Channels 7 and 16 on Cox Communications respectively
 
thomwim said:
Charter Cable, Pasadena, CA:

KLCS (PBS, channel 58) was on channel 65 in the 2000s, then it moved to channel 25.

Channel 58 used to be BET (it's now fyi), channel 65 is now Nickelodeon, and channel 25 used to be Disney Channel.
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I'll go further, and it relates somewhat to the "Channel 2-13 thread" we did recently...in my area growing up in the late 80s/early 90s, the only UHF station in the market that had a prime channel position (2-13) on the lineup was KCET 28. In my area, it was (and still is) on channel 3, although in some areas it was either on 6, 8, or 10 depending on the operator (and L.A. was a lot more splintered as far as cable systems back then than now). The rest of the UHFs were scattered a lot across the dial until MediaOne/AT&T Broadband/Comcast/TWC started grouping all of the locals together. I can remember when KSCI 18 was carried on channel 53, and KWHY 22 was on 54; KDOC 56 was on 46, KVEA Telemundo 52 was on 32, KOCE 50 was on 48, and KLCS was 41 (ironically, that's the station's RF channel today). The only two UHF stations that broadcast on the same cable and over-the-air channel were KMEX (34) and KTBN (40); when must-carry rules went into effect, I believe they placed KRCA on 62 until years later when they re-shuffled the channel lineup bringing the locals together.
 
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