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Cable channel lineup oddities

Raymie said:
Even on Comcast's Chicago systems, they're still like that. Comcast has two areas with differing lineups.
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Comcast has three systems in the city of Philadelphia:

Center City: http://www.zap2it.com/rmp/tvgrid/tvgridprint?lineupid=USA-PA37745-X&tz=US/Eastern&time=0
North/West/NW: http://www.zap2it.com/rmp/tvgrid/tvgridprint?lineupid=USA-PA61299-X&tz=US/Eastern&time=0
NE & NW: http://www.zap2it.com/rmp/tvgrid/tvgridprint?lineupid=USA-PA54787-X&tz=US/Eastern&time=0
 
Comcast in the City of Detroit carries WJBK on cable 12, WDIV on cable 14, and WXYZ on cable 17, while the suburbs mostly get them on 2, 4, and 7 respectively. Also, CBET is on cable 99 on all Comcast systems in the Detroit area (WOW, Bright House, and Charter all carry them on cable 9).

Charter systems in the Lansing market carry WLAJ on cable 17.
 
I know this is an old thread but as of today (June 2016) on Comcast Minneapolis (and surrounding suburbs)
CNN is still on channel 3 and TBS is still on channel 7 (in SD of course). And to top it off, in digital basic/lifeline you still get them (and in HD too)

2 KTCA PBS
3 CNN
4 WCCO CBS
5 KSTP ABC
6 MCN (Metro Cable Network...like public access)
7 TBS
8 WUCW CW
9 KMSP FOX
10 WFTC MY
11 KARE NBC
12 KSTC IND
13 KTCI PBS

The only local outside of this is KPXM ION which is on 20.
 
unclehonkey said:
I know this is an old thread but as of today (June 2016) on Comcast Minneapolis (and surrounding suburbs)
CNN is still on channel 3 and TBS is still on channel 7 (in SD of course). And to top it off, in digital basic/lifeline you still get them (and in HD too)

2 KTCA PBS
3 CNN
4 WCCO CBS
5 KSTP ABC
6 MCN (Metro Cable Network...like public access)
7 TBS
8 WUCW CW
9 KMSP FOX
10 WFTC MY
11 KARE NBC
12 KSTC IND
13 KTCI PBS

The only local outside of this is KPXM ION which is on 20.
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No doubt a result of a long ago agreement with Time Warner to leave them alone after the system swap. CNN and TBS are both Time Warner networks, and at the time of the swap Time Warner Cable was still owned by Time Warner. No doubt they were trying to make CNN and TBS appear in as many homes as possible, hence the low channel numbers and inclusion in low packages. No idea how long that agreement lasts, but it is also the reason that the Minneapolis side gets Boomerang, while the St Paul side does not. It's also the reason for the odd channel numbering (below 800) between systems (most of which dates back to the AT&T Broadband days on the St Paul side).

Also, it should be noted that these are BY NUMBER only. That is to say that none of these channels actually broadcasts on the frequency ranges that would typically be on these numbers. Comcast in both Minneapolis and St Paul has gone 100% digital (St Paul first, then Minneapolis a few years later). While I'm sure some channels transmit on the frequency range of Channel 2-13, theoretically ALL channels could tranmit on "Channel 2" freeing up 3-13 for other broadcasts. I haven't actually mapped out the frequencies to see what Comcast is using them for, but I'd bet at least a few are Internet or VOIP. (For me, the upstream channels for internet are lower frequencies than download, probably something to do with the power required to get a good signal on the higher frequencies, but I'm speculating, as I don't know enough about the technology).
 
TBS was in the channel 7 slot back when it was Paragon cable. CNN was not always on 3. When I lived in Shakopee, channel 3 was the public access (I worked there). I want to say CNN was moved to 3 around 1994-95 when they moved Public Access to 33

Back when locals were still ITC QAM, the networks in SD were on 110-X (again at least in Shakopee/Chaska/Carver)
 
Comcast (Harrisburg, PA)
2 - WHP-21 (CBS) Harrisburg
3 - WGAL-8 (NBC) Lancaster
4 - C-SPAN
5 - WPMT-43 (FOX) York
6 - WITF-33 (PBS) Harrisburg
7 - WGCB-49 (Ind.) Red Lion
8 - The Comcast Network
9 - WHTM-27 (ABC) Harrisburg
10 - Nothing (was WPIX-11 from NYC until 2006)
11 - QVC
12 - WPHL-17 (MyNet) Philadelphia
13 - WHP-21.3 (CW) Harrisburg. Was WLYH-15 (CW) Lebanon until they lost the CW affiliation.
 
mvcg66b3r said:
When I lived in Atoka TN, the Millington Cable system (now Ritter Communications) had two PPV channels on 8 and 9. I don't know if they're still there or moved to digital.
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no but they still have cable stations between 2-13
6 A&E
7 Freeform
8 MSNBC
9 CNBC
12 SPIKE

Now note those channels, while in the 2-13 range are NOT part of basic cable. The only non religious/shopping/gov't/local sub in basic is POP
http://rittercommunications.com/residential/community/atoka/cable
 
mnradiofan said:
No doubt a result of a long ago agreement with Time Warner to leave them alone after the system swap. CNN and TBS are both Time Warner networks, and at the time of the swap Time Warner Cable was still owned by Time Warner. No doubt they were trying to make CNN and TBS appear in as many homes as possible, hence the low channel numbers and inclusion in low packages. No idea how long that agreement lasts, but it is also the reason that the Minneapolis side gets Boomerang, while the St Paul side does not. It's also the reason for the odd channel numbering (below 800) between systems (most of which dates back to the AT&T Broadband days on the St Paul side).
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Must have been a similar agreement in Rockford, IL with their Comcast lineup on 2-13:

2--WTTW (PBS 11.1) Chicago (why can't they put in on cable 11?)
3--WREX (NBC 13.1) Rockford
4--WTVO (ABC 17.1) Rockford
5--WIFR (CBS 23.1) Freeport/Rockford
6--WQRF (Fox 39.1) Rockford
7--ESPN
8--CNN
9--CNBC (was WGN ever on cable 9 in Rockford?)
10--CLTV (outside of Chicago DMA?)
11--AMC
12--Lifetime
13--Weather Channel

In contrast:
14--CW (WREX 13.2) Rockford
15--HSN
16--My (WTVO 17.2) Rockford
17--Local
20--Educational Access
21--WHA (PBS 21.1) Madison (why can't it be carried on 2-13, perhaps 12?)
22--WFBN-LD Rockford
27--QVC
94--CSPAN

http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlisti...rence=false&lineupId=IL12469:X&aid=quadcty0zb
 
For the three cable systems in my area:

FIOS in Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania County VA

2. WMDE (IND 36.1) - Dover, DE (mainly infomercials)
3. WDCW (CW 50.1) - Washington, DC
4. WRC (NBC 4.1) - Washington, DC
5. WTTG (FOX 5.1) - Washington, DC
6. WDCA (MNTV 20.1) - Washington, DC
7. WJLA (ABC 7.1) - Washington, DC
8. News Channel 8
9. WUSA (CBS 9.1) - Washington, DC
10. WRLH (MNTV 35.2) - Richmond, VA
11. WRLH (FOX 35.1)- Richmond VA
12. City of Fairfax Public Access (we're an hour away from Fairfax, mind you)
13. WPXW (ION 66.1) - Manassas, VA
16. WTVR (CBS 6.1) - Richmond, VA

Comcast in Spotsylvania County VA
3. WDCW (CW 50.1) - Washington, DC
4. WRC (NBC 4.1) - Washington, DC
5. WTTG (FOX 5.1) - Washington, DC
6. QVC
7. WJLA (ABC 7.1) - Washington, DC
8. News Channel 8
9. WUSA (CBS 9.1) - Washington, DC
10. CSN Mid Atlantic
11. ESPN
12. ESPN2
13. NBCSN

COX Fredericksburg VA:

2. WDCA (MNTV 20.1) - Washington, DC
3. WETA (PBS 26.1) - Washington, DC
4. WRC (NBC 4.1) - Washington, DC
5. WTTG (FOX 5.1) - Washington, DC
6. WTVR (CBS 6.1) - Richmond, VA
7. WJLA (ABC 7.1) - Washington, DC
8. News Channel 8
9. WUSA (CBS 9.1) - Washington, DC
10. WCVE (PBS 42.1) - Richmond, VA
12. WRIC (ABC 8.1) - Richmond, VA
13. TBS
 
CHarter in Hackensack/Backus, MN

2 Cinemax
3 KMSP - FOX
4 WCCO - CBS
5 KSAX - ABC
6 C-SPAN
7 HBO
8 Local Access
9 KAWB - PBS
10 WFTC - MyTV
11 KARE - NBC
12 QVC
13 WGN America

now note this is a bad system...only 50 SD stations so in cases like this the channel numbers rarely move around
 
mvcg66b3r said:
Many of the entries on the 'Worst Cable Systems' thread have HBO, Cinemax and/or Showtime in the 2-13 range.
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I don't know if I'm recalling this correctly but I may have stayed in motels where HBO was on 2. If your motel didn't have HBO, then you could hear but couldn't see.
 
Charter Communications

Suffolk, VA (includes: Franklin, Smithfield, Isle of Wight County)
2 WVBT-43.1 (FOX) Portsmouth, VA
3 WUND-2.1 (PBS) Columbia, NC (UNC-TV Chapel Hill, NC)
4 WTKR-3.1 (CBS) Norfolk, VA
5 WHRO-15.1 (PBS) Norfolk, VA
6 Blank
7 WGNT-27.1 (CW) Norfolk, VA
8 HSN
9 WTVZ-33.1 (MNTV) Norfolk, VA
10 WSKY-4.1 (Ind.) Hampton, VA
11 WAVY-10.1 (NBC) Portsmouth, VA
12 WVEC-13.1 (ABC) Norfolk, VA
13 NFL Network

Wakefield/Waverly, VA (Sussex County)
2 WRLH-35.1 (FOX) Richmond, VA
3 HSN
4 WTVR-6.1 (CBS) Richmond, VA
5 WCVE-23.1 (PBS) Richmond, VA
6 Blank
7 WGNT-27.1 (CW) Norfolk, VA
8 Blank
9 WUPV-65.1 (CW) Richmond, VA
10 WSKY-4.1 (Ind.) Hampton, VA
11 WWBT-12.1 (NBC) Richmond, VA
12 WRIC-8.1 (ABC) Richmond, VA
13 NFL Network
 
The issue now is while a station may be in the 2-13 area in most cases its not part of lifeline/limited basic package. Older examples it would be but with most systems being digital if lets say you only have the big 4 + PBS in a market a company could do it where cable stations fill in the blanks since they can control what channel you get in what package
 
Wittenberg Telephone Wittenberg WI (Shawano County - Green Bay DMA)

3 Wausau - FOX 55 - WFXS
4 Lifetime
5 TNT - Turner Network Television
6 WTBS Superstation
7 Wausau - WSAW 7 - CBS
8 WGN Chicago
9 Wausau - WAOW 9 - ABC
10 Wausau - CW 9.2
11 Green Bay WLUK 11 - FOX
12 Rhinelander - WJFW 12 - NBC
13 HBO (Pay Channel)

http://www.wittenbergnet.net/channels.html
 
Sjoberg's cable in Northern MN has cable stations within the 2-13 area....and interestingly enough they sell a package that is just 3-13 (2 is HBO in their markets)

Baudette
CH 2 HBO
CH 3 Weather and Announcements
CH 4 CBS (Fargo/Valley City KXJB)
CH 5 CBWT
CH 6 ABC Family Channel
CH 7 USA – New York
CH 8 ABC (Devils Lake/Grand Forks WDAZ)
CH 9 KAWE – Education - Bemidji
CH 10 TBS
CH 11 NBC (Fargo/Grand Forks KVLY)
CH 12 CNN 24 Hour News
CH 13 ESPN 24 Hour Sports
Interesting that FOX and My are on 17 & 27 and are NOT part of "lifeline"

Warroad
CH 2 HBO
CH 3 Weather and Announcements
CH 4 CBS (Fargo/Valley City KXJB)
CH 5 CBWT -Winnipeg
CH 6 WTBS
CH 7 CKY
CH 8 ABC (Devils Lake/Grand Forks WDAZ)
CH 9 KAWE – Education - Bemidji
CH 10 CNN – Cable News Network
CH 11 NBC (Fargo/Grand Forks KVLY)
CH 12 ESPN – 24 Hour Sports
CH 13 KCPM – My Network TV

Again FOX is on 17

Roseau
CH 2 HBO
CH 3 Local Origination
CH 4 CBS (Fargo/Valley City KXJB)
CH 5 KCPM – My Network TV
CH 6 CBWT - Winnipeg
CH 7 CKY - Winnipeg
CH 8 ABC (Devils Lake/Grand Forks WDAZ)
CH 9 KAWE – Education - Bemidji
CH 10 CNN – 24 Hour News
CH 11 NBC (Fargo/Grand Forks KVLY)
CH 12 WTBS – Atlanta, Georgia
CH 13 ESPN – 24 Hour Sports
Fox is...you guessed it...17

Thief River Falls
CH 2 KFME (Ed. Grand Forks)
CH 3 LOCAL (weather/bulletins)
CH 4 CBS (Fargo/Valley City KXJB)
CH 5 KCPM - My Network TV
CH 6 CNN (24-hour news)
CH 7 ESPN (24-hour sports)
CH 8 ABC (Devils Lake/Grand Forks WDAZ)
CH 9 TBS (Atlanta, Georgia)
CH 10 KVRR (Fox Network)
CH 11 NBC (Fargo/Grand Forks KVLY)
CH 12 CBWT (Winnipeg)
CH 13 Weather & Announcements
 
Time Warner Cable, Gouverneur, NY (near Watertown in the North Country)
2 WNYF-CD Watertown (Fox)
3 TBS
4 CBOT Ottawa (CBC)
5 WPTZ Plattsburgh (NBC...no affiliate in Watertown)
6 HBO
7 WWNY Watertown (CBS)
8 WCFE Plattsburgh (PBS)
9 QVC
10 TWC North Country (news channel)
11 CJOH Ottawa (CTV)
12 WPBS Watertown (PBS)
13 WWTI Watertown (ABC)

Eagle Communications, Alma NE
3 KLNE Lexington (PBS)
4 KFXL Grand Island (Fox)
5 KSNB Superior (NBC)
6 EWTN
7 The Weather Channel
8 TBS
9 Hallmark Channel
10 QVC
11 KGIN Grand Island (CBS)
12 INSP
13 KHGI Kearney (ABC)
 
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